No, culture is not the issue. It may be normalised in this culture to not hold girls up in the same way as boys but torture is definitely not normalised or accepted
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Nope - I didn't say torturing girls was normalised or accepted. I made the point that Sara was female and mixed race and that culture may be a factor.
This may be an unpalatable truth but please don't twist what I said
The father, stepmother and family are absolute monsters but the more I hear the more I can’t see how SS haven’t majorly failed in this situation.
It seems entirely clear that had they acted on the schools concerns and asked to see her without hijab it would have been blindingly obvious this was an emergency removal situation.
No doubt their defence will be “well if only the step-auntie, the neighbours, everyone else” has reported it but would it have made a difference to their actions? The school had reported it after all, and I’d expect a school report to carry more weight than a neighbour tbh - and it’s not uncommon for family to cover tit like this up (even though it should be).
It seems entirely clear that had they acted on the schools concerns and asked to see her without hijab it would have been blindingly obvious this was an emergency removal situation.
No doubt their defence will be “well if only the step-auntie, the neighbours, everyone else” has reported it but would it have made a difference to their actions? The school had reported it after all, and I’d expect a school report to carry more weight than a neighbour tbh - and it’s not uncommon for family to cover tit like this up (even though it should be).
Just read that the sister blocked BB the day after Sara's body was found. She should've been charged too, she knew about the abuse, had photographic evidence too. If someone had just spoke to Sara, built a relationship with her maybe she might have opened up about what was happening. BB is trying to cover her tracks by saying in those messages it was all his fault, he was the one beating her. Has there been any live updates recently? I've had a look but I guess it's maybe due to restrictions. Would like to see the questioning and cross examination.
And she was withdrawn from school just after the school made the SS report about bruises and varying stories.
Why that didn’t send massive alarm bells with glitter and jazz hands I cannot understand.
Did they withdraw from school and move house to a different area? Classic avoiding tactic.
With previous SS involvement at the very least and, if the Polish article is to believed, a recorded previous history of parental violence (albeit from the mum).
Absolutely incomprehensible. Some cases you can see how, with over worked busy workers, they’d slip through the cracks only for a sudden tragic escalation to occur but this isn’t one at all, this had clearly been going on for months.
BB had social services on the brain, they took her out of school a few times and they moved a few times. I think she knew exactly how to keep the social workers away.
Surrey: Video shows arrests of Sara Sharif murder accused
Police arrested Sara's relatives as they returned from Pakistan, weeks after her body was found.
www.bbc.com
The Polish article is worrying as it said Sara was beaten by her mum for “showing her butt” to teenage boys. That’s not really normal for a 4/5 year old and even if so, I’d be more concerned about CSA than punishing the youngest kid involved.
In that same link -This is body cam footage of the arrestsSurrey: Video shows arrests of Sara Sharif murder accused
Police arrested Sara's relatives as they returned from Pakistan, weeks after her body was found.
Link gone weird
Absolutely inexplicable. I know there’s many many problems with the funding but surely there’s a point where they have to question exactly what is enough for further action in the mind of some SS workers.
Similarly the case where the children died in the fire after the SS involvement was dropped after the mother flatly told a social worker her MH was going downhill and she was dissociating in front of the children and the house was filthy, that worker was hugely concerned yet a second visit that day apparently magically resolved all the issues and then the mum stopped engaging so they dropped it.
These decisions can’t all be blamed on overworked people making bad choices, something is hugely wrong somewhere in the risk assessment process.
ETA: and I know the answer will be “you don’t hear about the times it went right” - absolutely true but we also don’t hear about the times it went terribly wrong but no child was killed. We only hear about the times it goes wrong to a level a child is killed - there’s a whole spectrum below that that yes includes the times it went right, but also includes times it went wrong and by some miracle not quite wrong enough for it to end up like this.
I disagree, it can be blamed on overwork. If you have 100 cases of children being hospitalised, sexually abused, and one of “school saw bruises on her” stable family home no drug/alcohol background it’s very easy to close the referral. Same a people are dying in the waiting rooms of the Emergency Dept of hospitals. Overloading a system makes it unworkable even for the best and most brilliant, let alone the idiots.
With this level of abuse, the neighbours must have heard screaming, shouting and crying most every day.
That poor kid. Death would have been a welcome release for her from those vile guys
That poor kid. Death would have been a welcome release for her from those vile guys
I knew they would have gone no comment. They should all be locked up forever, I hope none of them are ever released, even the uncle who seems to have had probably no role in abusing Sara. This was his chance to redeem himself for running away with them, but he has also gone no comment. Get them all locked away for good. 
Culture is a factor, one only has to look at China or India and their treatment (past and present) of females.
I didn’t word that very well when I said regardless of culture. What I meant was my response from the sister, in which she has been told about a child being abused and her response to that is to read the Qu’ran, and not to to do anything about it, that’s actually the culture I was referring to. The culture of staying silent, keeping things “in house”, not causing a fuss.
Explained what to her every night?! Why she was being tortured?
www.bbc.com
Sara Sharif was an innocent soul, murder accused stepmother said
Jurors at the Old Bailey are shown a series of messages between Sara's stepmother and her sisters.
www.bbc.com
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