SacconeJolys #2 Hey guys, so I just finished my work out

[Carrotcake]

The fact that his new video has FIVE ad breaks highlights how this is all about the money again, it has nothing to do with mental health or the protection of their children. It’s all about money and their “business”.

I’m honestly speechless about all of this. This feels like the final straw for me as a viewer to be honest.

If at the end of yesterday’s video he said “sorry but we are no longer filming our children since their lives are at danger’` I would be fully supportive of their decision and would try to watch their new videos as much as I could to support them.

The fact that they’ve monetised that video so much AND he posted his biking ad minutes after posting his video yesterday proves that this is just about money and just about views.

I’m out tbh, I’m done done done. Done with their lies and done the way they use their children for money. They’re not the same family that I watched in 2010, they’re long gone.

 

[Oohthedrama]

Am I the only one who wasn’t that offended by how they handled their miscarriage?

I have never in my life known of anyone who has been faced with the awful reality that they might be loosing a baby, to stop what they’re doing and set up a camera so they could get their reaction when they’re being told the baby was gone.
And involve such young kids in the whole thing.
Personally, wouldn’t be how I’d go about it
Each to their own.

 

[bubbletea123]

The fact that his new video has FIVE ad breaks highlights how this is all about the money again, it has nothing to do with mental health or the protection of their children. It’s all about money and their “business”.

I’m honestly speechless about all of this. This feels like the final straw for me as a viewer to be honest.

If at the end of yesterday’s video he said “sorry but we are no longer filming our children since their lives are at danger’` I would be fully supportive of their decision and would try to watch their new videos as much as I could to support them.

The fact that they’ve monetised that video so much AND he posted his biking ad minutes after posting his video yesterday proves that this is just about money and just about views.

I’m out tbh, I’m done done done. Done with their lies and done the way they use their children for money. They’re not the same family that I watched in 2010, they’re long gone.

I didn't get any adverts??

 

[Sabbie]

Am I the only one who wasn’t that offended by how they handled their miscarriage?

Yup, completely and utterly. She also trotted around Disney in white dungarees while knowing fully well they were going to miscarry at any moment...apparently. That was the timeline they gave out, anyway. FWIW their travel insurance with that heath risk would have skyrocketed. Don't believe much of that story TBH. They extended the 'pregnancy' and the whole story of a 'miscarriage' for click and views....again.

But people believe the school was hacked.

 

[Oohthedrama]

I understand that, but I’m in a parenting group with 50k plus woman where there are regular photos of miscarriages happening and having happened so it’s not exactly an unusual occurrence for people’s first thoughts being to document what’s happening.

we’ve learned some people do crazy things.
Some people do crazy things and upload it for millions to see and make money on it
Each to their own.

 

[murphy]

Wow. Sad to read that so many on here have been suckered into believing their BS yet again. I have a long memory and can recount several times when playing victim and screaming 'troll' has paid off for them before. They usually do the pity party act when they're trying to cover up their own mistakes. Funny that the latest one should come after they had the Ford AD pulled.
The SJs are liars, pure and simple.
There is no legal action because there is no basis for legal action.
Its astonishing how immature they are and how little they know of the real adult world and how things really work. Everything they do and say seems to have been picked up from a teenage girls social media feed, right down to his latest bleat about 'empowerment'.
Their fans are at the same level but they have the excuse that they actually are tweenies.
Honestly, anyone believing even a 10th of this guff needs to give their head a rattle.

 

[Blossomboo]

From the video - Jonathan - I didn’t even want to make this video
Anna - I was the one that said to do this video

In real life -
Anna - Hey Jonathan (is that your name I can’t remember because I never see you as I’m too busy working out, getting waxed/nails done or sleeping by 8pm) anyway I’ve seen a load of people on Instagram (as scrolling online doing f all is my ‘job’) do trolls/bullying videos, we could get loads of money from that let’s do it

Jonathan - money money money ok let’s do it, I’ll even wack 5 ads in our fake trolls video and a click bait title just for extra money

Anna - thanks, not that we need anymore money Johnathan don’t forget we get everything for free anyway

Jonathan - we do don’t we, we’re so amazing.

 

[LurkyLou]

Wow. Sad to read that so many on here have been suckered into believing their BS yet again. I have a long memory and can recount several times when playing victim and screaming 'troll' has paid off for them before. They usually do the pity party act when they're trying to cover up their own mistakes. Funny that the latest one should come after they had the Ford AD pulled.
The SJs are liars, pure and simple.
There is no legal action because there is no basis for legal action.
Its astonishing how immature they are and how little they know of the real adult world and how things really work. Everything they do and say seems to have been picked up from a teenage girls social media feed, right down to his latest bleat about 'empowerment'.
Their fans are at the same level but they have the excuse that they actually are tweenies.
Honestly, anyone believing even a 10th of this guff needs to give their head a rattle.

I absolutely believe there are people out there who report them for every little thing they do or invade their privacy every chance they get. I mean look at the situation with Mrs. Meldrum. I sure as hell hope people aren't naive enough to believe Rebecca lost her brand deals because she's "controversial." Brands neither want nor need to deal with that the kind of negative attention her haters were giving them. Especially when you consider how over saturated the influencer market is, Why stick up for any of them when you can just move onto the next one? Despite what these YouTubers have deluded themselves into thinking, they are nobodies. But regardless of that crazies are everywhere.

I said it before and I'll say it again, when you live your life so publicly, these are things you need to expect and prepare yourself for. You can label that victim blaming if you so wish, but in my world it's called being realistic. Do I think anyone in the public eye deserves to be harassed, nope. Not even Anna and Jonathan. I have tons of issues with the way they unnecessarily expose and exploit their children. But all four kids are fed, clothed, and generally well taken care of.

My concerns with family vlogging is and always will be the safety aspect. A lot of these vloggers are in serious denial about the world they live in. Not everybody thinks and feels the way you do. Not everybody is you fan or friend. Not everybody has your best interest at heart. Even worse is the law has not fully caught up with technology. And unfortunately for Anna and Jonathan, I think that is something they are learning the hard way. Being a concerned citizen isn't necessarily a crime, depending on how you go about it. The hacking stuff is though. But you do need proof and I'm not sure they have it.

I'm not denying they could be making all this up. Except I do think it's gotten to the point that if they were lying, there are people in their lives who would jump at the chance to out them. Something like this would ruin them. Which is why I am inclined to believe them. Just my two cents.

 

[murphy]

^Yes people report them, I'm not disputing that. Invading their privacy? They do that all by themselves.

And kids need a hell of a lot more than to be fed and clothed to grow up mentally healthy. There's such a thing as emotional neglect and its taken just as seriously as physical neglect by the main children's charities in the UK. Look it up on the NSPCC website. The defintion of emotional abuse has many parallels with the way they treat their children. They ridicule and humiliate their children on an almost daily basis. Their income is dependent upon continuing to exploit their kids' childhood. There's no privacy for those children.

The double-think involved in crying troll when you're the parent who has failed to protect and safeguard your kids is staggering.

They are rubbish at their 'job' and also rubbish at being parents. This mixing up of two elements into one, making your family into your source of income is bound to affect your ability to be a parent. They don't mix. You can't film a child hitting another and wait to discipline them 'off camera' . Children live, and learn, in the moment, not in post-production.
They aren't the only family vloggers of course but they are definitely the worse and as a case study into the perils of family vlogging they are right up there at the top of the tree. Thats some sort of achievement.

They've got away with so many lies because they've been too small for the media to be bothered about them. All the media want are trite explanations about how vlogging works with the occasional question about what they'll do when the kids get older thrown in.

The SJs refuse to go for any media interview without having sight of the questions beforehand (Gleam probably insisted on this as well, knowing what loose cannons they both are). So its not that they must be telling the truth or they'd have been caught out by now, far from it. It's just that its not that easy to get the right channels to take an interest.

People in their personal lives are asked to sign NDAs. So all their staff will have signed one. They don't socialise so who would do an expose? Someone who used to work for Gleam maybe? Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't. Maybe people don't want to give them the oxygen of publicity until they know it will be a fatal blow that they can't recover from..?

The bigger they get the easier it will be to expose them. He would have been sacked or ostracised a long time ago if he was in any other occupation but Youtubers are isolated and left to make it up as they go along. People assume that there are checks and balances along the way and if someone has X number of fans they must be ok. We know this isn't the case at all. He's lied every single step of the way, right back to when they were in Cork and he wrote a card threatening his own kids with sexual violence. That in itself should have meant he never had the chance to vlog to children.

Things are changing though and the real world is waking up to some of the negative consequences of unregulated social media. There will be changes in legislation that extend the same safeguards to children online as exist offline. Without using their children none of these vloggers would have an income. Personally, any action people take that hurries the change along and alerts the wider world to what a toxic mess some family vloggers are,( as long as its legal,) is fine by me.

 

[notaneffingclue]

I personally think that a lot of the backlash toward many so-called influencers, is due to the attitude they have regarding their position. They enjoy the very income that buys them their mansions, luxury cars and clothes, etc, to you and I, the every-people who watch their content and engage with them via social media. I don't deny that there is work involved in what they do, but it certainly isn't the hard graft that many of us do to simply keep afloat. If I were paid as well as they are for the hours I work, I'd be richer than most influencers. I think their bleating about how much hard work they put in is a massive insult to those who follow them. I would love to watch an unedited day in the life and see how many hours a day they actually spend on running their channels and socials. And to dismiss the notion of luck in regards to their popularity. The Saccone-Joly's, Louise Pentland, Zoella, Alfie Deyes, Joe Sugg and their comrades who burst onto the scene at a similar time have enormously benefited from being on YouTube at exactly the right moment. Had they arrived later, I'm sure their journey would be different.

I personally think these influencers need to colour their interactions with their audiences with a humble, gracious attitude. If it were not for us, they'd not have the careers they love so dearly. We as followers also need to respect their right to live safely, and certainly not bully or threaten them. No one has the right to do that to another. However, I am afraid these public figures have waived their right to private lives by broadcasting their lives to the world. You can't make a living off selling your family's life and then complain that people are impinging on your privacy, when you invited them inside your home yourself.

I also feel that if you are going to broadcast incidences of malicious behaviour, there should be some proof of it, so long as legal proceedings are not in place. I am definitely a 'I won't believe it until I see it' kind of person.

I harbour no bad feelings toward any influencer, and have never bullied, intimidated or threatened one. I've never tried to pry into their personal lives or make their lives difficult in any way. I do feel that they all need to take stock of their positions, and realise that their very livelihood relies upon engagement from the every-person, you and me, before they alienate their entire audiences with their extravagant lifestyles and entitled attitudes.

Sorry for the essay, this issue is really bothering me.

Oh, and Jonathan and Anna, if you do read here. I am not a sad little person with a sad little life. I am not experiencing a horrible life event, nor is it making me behave in a horrible manner. I found gossip sites like this after other influencers directed me here by not allowing any kind of discourse on their channels and socials regarding their conduct online. There needs to be somewhere for people to express their opinion, especially where it cannot be doctored or managed by the influencer in question. I am simply a consumer who wishes to make her opinion known and to be able to discuss it freely. I wish you and your family well, and have never and would never harm you in any way. Feel free to send me a message if you'd like to chat.

Thanks, chaps. Peace out!

 

[NitrousOxide]

It's kind of worrying that people seem to think the kids and dogs would be better off in care or in shelters. They're obviously much happier with Anna and Jonathan.

 

[Oohthedrama]

It's kind of worrying that people seem to think the kids and dogs would be better off in care or in shelters. They're obviously much happier with Anna and Jonathan.

But you have to realise some people believe the world is flat! Some people believe the queen is a lizard,
I’m not saying the kids or dogs would be better somewhere else I’m sure they wouldn’t, I’m the type that doesn’t care enough
BUT when you invite people to come bath your kids with you come with you to get your fanny waxed and come with you to the hospital to have your kids...
The people who can’t see boundaries don’t see boundaries.
You can’t CHOSE who views your content so you can’t be surprised when it’s received in a way you don’t want it to be received.
Used in a way you don’t want it to be.
Questioned in a way you don’t want it to be questioned

 

[LurkyLou]

^Yes people report them, I'm not disputing that. Invading their privacy? They do that all by themselves.

And kids need a hell of a lot more than to be fed and clothed to grow up mentally healthy. There's such a thing as emotional neglect and its taken just as seriously as physical neglect by the main children's charities in the UK. Look it up on the NSPCC website. The defintion of emotional abuse has many parallels with the way they treat their children. They ridicule and humiliate their children on an almost daily basis. Their income is dependent upon continuing to exploit their kids' childhood. There's no privacy for those children.

The double-think involved in crying troll when you're the parent who has failed to protect and safeguard your kids is staggering.

They are rubbish at their 'job' and also rubbish at being parents. This mixing up of two elements into one, making your family into your source of income is bound to affect your ability to be a parent. They don't mix. You can't film a child hitting another and wait to discipline them 'off camera' . Children live, and learn, in the moment, not in post-production.
They aren't the only family vloggers of course but they are definitely the worse and as a case study into the perils of family vlogging they are right up there at the top of the tree. Thats some sort of achievement.

They've got away with so many lies because they've been too small for the media to be bothered about them. All the media want are trite explanations about how vlogging works with the occasional question about what they'll do when the kids get older thrown in.

The SJs refuse to go for any media interview without having sight of the questions beforehand (Gleam probably insisted on this as well, knowing what loose cannons they both are). So its not that they must be telling the truth or they'd have been caught out by now, far from it. It's just that its not that easy to get the right channels to take an interest.

People in their personal lives are asked to sign NDAs. So all their staff will have signed one. They don't socialise so who would do an expose? Someone who used to work for Gleam maybe? Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't. Maybe people don't want to give them the oxygen of publicity until they know it will be a fatal blow that they can't recover from..?

The bigger they get the easier it will be to expose them. He would have been sacked or ostracised a long time ago if he was in any other occupation but Youtubers are isolated and left to make it up as they go along. People assume that there are checks and balances along the way and if someone has X number of fans they must be ok. We know this isn't the case at all. He's lied every single step of the way, right back to when they were in Cork and he wrote a card threatening his own kids with sexual violence. That in itself should have meant he never had the chance to vlog to children.

Things are changing though and the real world is waking up to some of the negative consequences of unregulated social media. There will be changes in legislation that extend the same safeguards to children online as exist offline. Without using their children none of these vloggers would have an income. Personally, any action people take that hurries the change along and alerts the wider world to what a toxic mess some family vloggers are,( as long as its legal,) is fine by me.

Two things I'd like to comment on.

First and foremost, it's not uncommon for companies and people in the spotlight to be selective with interviews and questions. It is actually less common to find people and businesses who are open books. You can interpret that as either they have something to hide or as a way to protect their privacy.

Secondly, people put way too much stock in NDAs. People talk regardless. I don't dispute that their staff has signed one but they do interact with other people off-camera. And they probably do have friends outside of the vlogging world. Just because we don't like them doesn't mean other people don't.

 

[sunnysideup]

Do they assume the best in people, have they deluded themselves into thinking the people who watch their videos are really all ‘friends’? The information they put out about themselves and their children is really dangerous, in the wrong hands. I live locally to the family and without even trying to find out I know exactly where they live, the school the children go to etc etc. I have no axe to grind, no vendetta against them, but the information I know is so easy to come by and could be used in really harmful ways in the wrong hands. I don’t think they do enough to protect the privacy of their children. I have children of a similar age and just don’t understand how they can put them at risk in the ways they do.

 

[gypsymoth]

too far!!

however...the police checked for bruises? would they know what to look for...where etc? little bruise on the leg from an injection could be escalated. far better babies are checked by medically trained professionals

 

[OliviaPope]

Mission accomplished by bringing up stuff from 2 years that Anna has regurgitating from her Twitter from over a year ago.

Increase in subs....


Their channel is slowly dying - views are 1/2 what they were a year ago, hence all the midroll ad in the vlogs.

 

[Peggy Lee]

I feel so pathetic because I actually want to find out what it is. Low point.

I was told to watch as it is about tattlers or they imply that it is us that have made their lives miserable of course they have built a huge legal case against the bullies and trolls watch its annoying but! I have commented pointing out their error in blaming forums whether that comment remains we shall have to see

 

[MsMadamSecretary]

too far!!

however...the police checked for bruises? would they know what to look for...where etc? little bruise on the leg from an injection could be escalated. far better babies are checked by medically trained professionals

GG has an FAQ thread and someone asked why E1 had a large bruise mark on her arm. Someone replied it's a BCG vaccine scar because these injections do scar you and they are standard childhood healthcare in Ireland.

The OP of the FAQ wasn't implying anything with the comment, but it certainly could be interpreted the wrong way.

 

[Peggy Lee]

I have never in my life known of anyone who has been faced with the awful reality that they might be loosing a baby, to stop what they’re doing and set up a camera so they could get their reaction when they’re being told the baby was gone.
And involve such young kids in the whole thing.
Personally, wouldn’t be how I’d go about it
Each to their own.

I stopped watching them then it was a step to to far anything for engagement

 

[Anita]

They keep losing subs, they were at one point so close to 2 million and now they further away, it looks like it’s going to be a struggle to reach that milestone.