Ruby Granger #28 What a depacle!

[FolderDuvet]

Love how all the Brits (I assume) get super defensive as soon as someone says something negative.
From what my friends told me who did study abroad it seems true that it is ridiculously easy to get good grades in the UK (they did business, English, law and economics).

Meh, I have to admit they're not wrong. There are two things working in parallel here. Firstly the grading scale has a lot of headroom in the 80s and 90s to reward students who are genuinely a cut above not only their set, but perhaps every set in the last 5 years. The reason this doesn't have a separate classification is partly historical, but also that these students would hopefully go onto further study and reasearch: hence their individual module grades will be seen and are relevant. In certain subjects (definitely maths, as that is what I studied) it allows examiners to set really tricky parts of questions they don't expect most people to get, without condemning most students who don't need to know that when they go to work at Goldman Sachs or whatever. If companies really cared about delinating between a first and a high first, they'd ask for module grades, but evidently they don't.

But secondly, and this is one that you many actually take issue with, is that in prestigious institutions more or less pre-filter their students before they even reach the lecture halls. This means they assume any student they admit, provided they put in an appropriate amount of work (for me that was around 40 hrs p/w in term time) is capable of a 2:1. Hence, in final classification, they tend to give most students who have provided good enough evidence that they've done this work a 2:1. I would personally argue this isn't a problem by taking an argument from Bryan Caplan's "The Case Against Education" that employers, when they see a degree, care more about the fact you were intelligent enough to enter that institution and able to put up with enough tit to get through it than they ever would the actual content of that degree. This means that, while yes a 2:1 or a first may not indicate much about the suitability of a candidate for further research in this area, it does indicate that the student is both smart enough, and able to work enough to be employable.

We've definitely got a harder system than the USA, but I wouldn't necessarily pit our graduates in most areas against say, those of the Balkans or Korea. They all seem very good.

 

[Welshgal]

It definitely is NOT ridiculously easy. I just finished law at Exeter, I was expecting to, honestly, fail despite the effort I'd put in, because of mental health issues. I've worked ridiculously hard this year and I got a grade that reflects that hard work. Just because you want to criticise Ruby, doesn't mean you can do it in a way that comments on everyone else on this thread

Congratulations! As I said there are obvious exceptions and everyone is different and as you said yourself you had mental health issues that made it harder for you. I was just sharing the experience I have been told first hand but in no way did I want to be little anyone on here. Getting a degree is an achievement no matter where.

 

[jiggy_girl]

Congratulations! As I said there are obvious exceptions and everyone is different and as you said yourself you had mental health issues that made it harder for you. I was just sharing the experience I have been told first hand but in no way did I want to be little anyone on here. Getting a degree is an achievement no matter where.

Your original posts didn't convey this sentiment though. As someone else has explained above - it's not "easy" to get a good grade. You just get pre-vetted for most of the prestigious universities, and Ruby has shown she does the busy work

 

[newaccount2022]

Yoga at the service station… the dress and shoes are swamping her, she looks so unwell. I suppose that’s what she wants to hear though.

 

[FolderDuvet]

To pull the thread back on topic a bit: what is Ruby going to do now? Full disclosure, I don't hate Ruby. I find her content cosy and nice, and it's been interesting to watch someone at a similar point in their life to mine. But I find myself wondering what next. I've noticed a lot of the things in her content that a lot of people here (who harbour a lot more vitriol towards her than I do) such as her regression after moving back in (and her weightloss )

Her childishness is something I more or less like. I think that embracing ones inner child in order to extract more enjoyment from the world is never a bad thing, and if you find it cringe we shall just have to agree to disagree. However, I do think it has already started to get in the way of her content. I came back to her recently, and looking over her last year or two of content that I missed, I was rather startled to find back to school content, morning "routines" and "whats in my bag" videos. For a student entering her fourth year of higher education that is not so much childish as juvenile. I grew out of a lot of this during first year.

It makes me wonder what her content is going to be, now. She's made a brand on being this "relatable cosy smart study girl" but like, it's clear from reading these threads and even just having watched her house announcement when it went out that this isn't who she is. I think she worries that, if she starts to drop this persona, she will start to drop her viewership. I don't think that would happen. I would definitely be a more consistent watcher of her content if she just relaxed into being her privileged self a bit more and stopped pretending. While she was at university, maintaining this persona was still feasible, as a lot of us (myself until recently included) didn't pick up on the inconsistencies and issues that showed she wasn't painting the full picture. However, now she has left, I can't see her "study-life" being at all realistic without considerable tweaks?

You guys say a lot of stuff I find thoroughly objectionable, and a bit mean, but you also have good points every now and again.

 

[figgypud]

To pull the thread back on topic a bit: what is Ruby going to do now? Full disclosure, I don't hate Ruby. I find her content cosy and nice, and it's been interesting to watch someone at a similar point in their life to mine. But I find myself wondering what next. I've noticed a lot of the things in her content that a lot of people here (who harbour a lot more vitriol towards her than I do) such as her regression after moving back in (and her weightloss )

Her childishness is something I more or less like. I think that embracing ones inner child in order to extract more enjoyment from the world is never a bad thing, and if you find it cringe we shall just have to agree to disagree. However, I do think it has already started to get in the way of her content. I came back to her recently, and looking over her last year or two of content that I missed, I was rather startled to find back to school content, morning "routines" and "whats in my bag" videos. For a student entering her fourth year of higher education that is not so much childish as juvenile. I grew out of a lot of this during first year.

It makes me wonder what her content is going to be, now. She's made a brand on being this "relatable cosy smart study girl" but like, it's clear from reading these threads and even just having watched her house announcement when it went out that this isn't who she is. I think she worries that, if she starts to drop this persona, she will start to drop her viewership. I don't think that would happen. I would definitely be a more consistent watcher of her content if she just relaxed into being her privileged self a bit more and stopped pretending. While she was at university, maintaining this persona was still feasible, as a lot of us (myself until recently included) didn't pick up on the inconsistencies and issues that showed she wasn't painting the full picture. However, now she has left, I can't see her "study-life" being at all realistic without considerable tweaks?

You guys say a lot of stuff I find thoroughly objectionable, and a bit mean, but you also have good points every now and again.

The thing with Ruby is that she doesn't embrace her inner child, she literally wants to escape adulthood and refuses to engage with the aspects of adulthood that don't suit her, like acknowledging her privilege - which she also does in a juvenile way, like writing a thank you letter to you great-auntie for £5 on your birthday. she doesn't acknowledge it in a meaninful way. She likes the independence of money and the playacting of "running a business" but she refuses to take on any more responsibility than that. When people call her out she plays the innocent "Sorry I'm not sure what you mean? Xx". She isn't embracing her inner child when she writes to young teenagers, she literally thinks they're her peers. The distinction you made sums it up so well: it's not just a bit of childish indulgence, she's full on juvenile.

 

[yerdasellsavon]

To pull the thread back on topic a bit: what is Ruby going to do now? Full disclosure, I don't hate Ruby. I find her content cosy and nice, and it's been interesting to watch someone at a similar point in their life to mine. But I find myself wondering what next. I've noticed a lot of the things in her content that a lot of people here (who harbour a lot more vitriol towards her than I do) such as her regression after moving back in (and her weightloss )

Her childishness is something I more or less like. I think that embracing ones inner child in order to extract more enjoyment from the world is never a bad thing, and if you find it cringe we shall just have to agree to disagree. However, I do think it has already started to get in the way of her content. I came back to her recently, and looking over her last year or two of content that I missed, I was rather startled to find back to school content, morning "routines" and "whats in my bag" videos. For a student entering her fourth year of higher education that is not so much childish as juvenile. I grew out of a lot of this during first year.

It makes me wonder what her content is going to be, now. She's made a brand on being this "relatable cosy smart study girl" but like, it's clear from reading these threads and even just having watched her house announcement when it went out that this isn't who she is. I think she worries that, if she starts to drop this persona, she will start to drop her viewership. I don't think that would happen. I would definitely be a more consistent watcher of her content if she just relaxed into being her privileged self a bit more and stopped pretending. While she was at university, maintaining this persona was still feasible, as a lot of us (myself until recently included) didn't pick up on the inconsistencies and issues that showed she wasn't painting the full picture. However, now she has left, I can't see her "study-life" being at all realistic without considerable tweaks?

You guys say a lot of stuff I find thoroughly objectionable, and a bit mean, but you also have good points every now and again.

I think the childishness when it regards Ruby is just concerning though. She still lives in her childhood bedroom (where she wanted her double bed replaced to a single), plays around in the garden, has no desire to be independent and has no life for herself. She's been to uni for 4 years and couldn't last longer than a week or two at best before needing to go home. Even on days out for her dissertation work, she had to have her mum drive her and be in the carpark or "find something to do". It's both selfish and shows an alarming lack of independence for her age. She's 22, yet she can't even do a daytrip alone. Plenty of people her age have done some form of solo travelling or at least something on her own, yet the thought of Ruby being even 10 miles away from her parents on her own would probably send her into a nervous breakdown. That'll be reinforced even more when she has a year to be at home by herself and able to rely on her parents that much more.

It's good to have a great relationship with your parents, but not when it's unhealthy. It's not even fair to blame them either as Martha shows she's independent, lives on her own and has a source of income. Ruby getting an actual job would do wonders, but it'll never happen.

As for what she'll do next, she's clearly trying to follow the Jack Edwards blueprint of branching into "BookTube". As much as I find him incredibly cringe, he's got an audience and does read/forms his own opinions. Ruby is trying to copy that model but displays much less original thought. So she'll take this year to go down that niche and write her book, which is more than likely to turn out disastrously. After that, she'll go back to the original content with a Masters, but if she's doing a "what's in my pencil case" at 24, it'll be beyond laughable.

I think the facts are, most of Ruby's audience (and ditto Jade, Jack, Eve etc) have grown up with them and moved past their content. Holly Gabrielle is a prime example of that. She got a 1st from Cambridge and did a Master's at UCL, yet has wasted all that to continue to make shoddy YouTube videos to an average of 10k views. It's completely stale and such a waste.

 

[FolderDuvet]

The thing with Ruby is that she doesn't embrace her inner child, she literally wants to escape adulthood and refuses to engage with the aspects of adulthood that don't suit her, like acknowledging her privilege - which she also does in a juvenile way, like writing a thank you letter to you great-auntie for £5 on your birthday. she doesn't acknowledge it in a meaninful way. She likes the independence of money and the playacting of "running a business" but she refuses to take on any more responsibility than that. When people call her out she plays the innocent "Sorry I'm not sure what you mean? Xx". She isn't embracing her inner child when she writes to young teenagers, she literally thinks they're her peers. The distinction you made sums it up so well: it's not just a bit of childish indulgence, she's full on juvenile.

Hmmm, I'm not sure I totally agree, but I do understand what you're saying. Insofar as the persona she portrays online, this is more or less true. Whether this is true of her overall is to be seen, because we all know she very highly curates what she puts online. I think, putting aside the stationery business her management runs for her, she must take some responsibility for her content. However, I am again pulled back to your point when I think of the lack of editing improvements she's made since she began. Her videos are still edited like someone a few months into a youtube channel. Much to think about...

I think the childishness when it regards Ruby is just concerning though. She still lives in her childhood bedroom (where she wanted her double bed replaced to a single), plays around in the garden, has no desire to be independent and has no life for herself. She's been to uni for 4 years and couldn't last longer than a week or two at best before needing to go home. Even on days out for her dissertation work, she had to have her mum drive her and be in the carpark or "find something to do". It's both selfish and shows an alarming lack of independence for her age. She's 22, yet she can't even do a daytrip alone. Plenty of people her age have done some form of solo travelling or at least something on her own, yet the thought of Ruby being even 10 miles away from her parents on her own would probably send her into a nervous breakdown. That'll be reinforced even more when she has a year to be at home by herself and able to rely on her parents that much more.

It's good to have a great relationship with your parents, but not when it's unhealthy. It's not even fair to blame them either as Martha shows she's independent, lives on her own and has a source of income. Ruby getting an actual job would do wonders, but it'll never happen.

As for what she'll do next, she's clearly trying to follow the Jack Edwards blueprint of branching into "BookTube". As much as I find him incredibly cringe, he's got an audience and does read/forms his own opinions. Ruby is trying to copy that model but displays much less original thought. So she'll take this year to go down that niche and write her book, which is more than likely to turn out disastrously. After that, she'll go back to the original content with a Masters, but if she's doing a "what's in my pencil case" at 24, it'll be beyond laughable.

I think the facts are, most of Ruby's audience (and ditto Jade, Jack, Eve etc) have grown up with them and moved past their content. Holly Gabrielle is a prime example of that. She got a 1st from Cambridge and did a Master's at UCL, yet has wasted all that to continue to make shoddy YouTube videos to an average of 10k views. It's completely stale and such a waste.

Hmm, living in ones childhood bedroom immediately after graduating (at 22) is not uncommon. I'm currently sitting in mine (though with plans to move out when I start work.) I have a number of friends who are planning to remain with their parents to save on rent as they are working remotely. I've even have a number of friends who are in a "worse" situation than Ruby; they've no job. Ruby at least has her youtube and sponsorships to bring in some cash (obviously a good amount, given she was able to buy property on her own at 18.)

Fundamentally, if we take everything she posts at face value: she's probably quite mentally ill? Her current state reminds me of my own over the past few years, struggling with severe anxiety and such. She used to be a lot more independent. If you remember her trip with Jade to the Cotswolds, and old videos of her heading off to london with friends and such. It seems, like with me, her first year of university gave her a lot more confidence to do new things. Sure those steps were small, but they were steps. She seems to have contracted a lot with covid, not having many vlogs with friends, not really going anywhere without mum and dad. I got horrifically anxious during covid, and did a similar thing. It's taken a lot of work to move out of that and get my confidence back. A large part of that was living away at university and, if she hasn't been doing that, I can see how she has moved backward instead of forward (and I think this is the extra context to make your childhood bedroom comment a bit better rounded.)

I would be interested to see some booktube content from her, though I don't think it will be much beyond what her goodreads has to say. Ideally she would be able to provide some thorough analyses and oh my god. I just realised you're all right. All of you in this thread are right! I only did literature to A Level and I have more immediate in-depth analyses of the things I read than she does. I've always wondered how she reads so much, she must just not think about it??? Well. That's another illusion shattered.

 

[gossip_guy]

To pull the thread back on topic a bit: what is Ruby going to do now?

You're looking at it.

She's going to be doing the exact same thing, only she'll transplant all her familiar bad habits from studying onto writing. The content will all be identical. Same focus on numbers and how much Ruby accomplishes (or pretends to) without substance. Same videos full of busywork, ticking off to-do lists for mundane tasks to give herself a productivity placebo, lots of time-lapse footage of her staring at screens while never showing what she's doing. Same recycled routines. Same pushing of toxic productivity and ED habits. Same fabricated timelines, lies, gaslighting and undeclared ads.

Much like she never went into real detail about her studying process or showed what she was doing (because it would fully reveal how little she actually does, how reliant her work is on other people's ideas, and how innately stupid and talentless she is), she'll never go in depth to talk about her writing process or what she's writing. It'll be the same assembly line output of lie-filled "AND THAN I did this, AND THAN I did that" pointless content.

There's the potential for her to make vaguely interesting content with what she focuses on and does. How does the day-to-day running of her business work? What kind of discussions does she have with her agent? What kind of interaction does she have with managers? What kind of feedback does she get? What's her writing process like? But Ruby only ever focuses on the superficial aspects of her days because she only does superficial things. It'd be far too revealing if she pulled back the curtain on most of this stuff because it'd show that she really does next to nothing, has no real involvement or say in her company and is indescribably stupid. Instead it's lots of "AND THAN I DID THIS. AND THAN I READ THAT. AND THAN I WRYOTE TAN THOUSAND WAHRDS IN ONE HOUR."

She's committed herself to another year in her childhood bedroom. Nothing will change. She won't change. Her content won't change. She hasn't improved at anything in 7 years, she won't start now. She might get very lucky and a cheap, small publisher might buy her book based on her name, then she'll double down on this for writing more derivative drivel for years to come and her content will be the same. She might go the Masters route, but I'd be very surprised - writing her dissertation kicked the tit out of her ego and I think even she's smart enough not to sign on for more of that. Even if she does, it'll still be all the same rehashed content.

She's quite happy to continue clinging to childhood. And nostalgia's not an inherently bad thing, neither is maintaining a carefree, child-like outlook or spending lots of time with parents or living at home, but if that reaches the unhealthy stage where someone's actively trying to become a child again and actively avoid adulthood, it's gone way too far.

She's swapped her double bed for a child's single. Often eats baby food. Constantly dresses like a child. The overwhelming majority of books that she actually reads in full are children's books. She's actively avoiding any kind of independence and social growth. She's developed an unhealthy attachment to her parents, sending them letters daily, running away from uni weekly to see them, having them chauffeur her everywhere and chaperoning her camping trips with Blakeney. All of this would be concerning enough, but she starves herself in a clear effort to become physically like a child, too. She needs massive amounts of therapy.

 

[CatCafe234]

I would be interested to see some booktube content from her, though I don't think it will be much beyond what her goodreads has to say. Ideally she would be able to provide some thorough analyses and oh my god. I just realised you're all right. All of you in this thread are right! I only did literature to A Level and I have more immediate in-depth analyses of the things I read than she does. I've always wondered how she reads so much, she must just not think about it??? Well. That's another illusion shattered.

I’m not totally convinced that Ruby actually reads that much. She buys a lot of books, for sure, but does she read them? I’m not convinced. She posts herself reading the odd thing but if you actually look at what she posts it seems to take her a lot longer to read a book than she claims - she’s built this image of the gifted student who zips though books at a rate of knots but that doesn’t actually seem to be true, and most of the time her analysis of books is no deeper than the précis you’d read on the cover. I don’t think she’s a particularly critical or analytical reader and I think sometimes, she just Googles a book title, reads other people’s opinions and then tries to pass that off as her own. There have been so many times when she’s posted about a book and it’s been clear that she hasn’t actually read it, and it’s only when a commenter has pointed something out she’s admitted ‘oh, haha, yes, I didn’t notice / didn’t remember that’ (most recent example, posting about eating peaches whilst allegedly re-reading ‘Call Me by Your Name’ and not picking up on the link between the book and her post).

The problem with Ruby is that she’s so desperate to live as this utterly bonkers persona that she’s created that she digs herself into holes and then doesn’t know how to get out of them, because the last thing she would ever, ever do is admit she’s wrong or that she’s told a half-truth in order to appear more intelligent or intellectual. Honestly, I just find her quite sad now. It’s clear that she doesn’t actually enjoy 99% of what she’s doing but she’s got herself stuck as ’Ruby Granger’, intellectual, book lover, writer, gifted student and so on, even though she’s nothing of the sort and the effort of pretending she is has damaged her. The sad thing is she could stop posting tomorrow and walk away from it all a bit richer and (hopefully) wiser. It wouldn’t make much difference to her life but probably would be fantastic for her mental health, but the tragedy is that she won‘t.

 

[Griftwood]

Is this... progress?

 

[gossip_guy]

Is this... progress?

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Call me suspicious, but I really suspect that Ruby or her management team have been casting an(other) eye over Tattle, especially since this place was mentioned in her Discord.

She's suddenly started adding disclaimers like this, the Notion one from the other day and the odd note that she "doesn't want to fake productivity" (even though that's all she does) from the other day. Definitely seems like out-of-character disclaimers aimed at the most regular criticisms she gets called out for here.

If she did it consistently, that'd be great, but she's picking and choosing what she wants to declare, doesn't address all the lies and undeclared ads in all her videos and still continues to not declare the constant ads, like all the BARD 'N' BLAND crap she's posted today.

 

[StatusWoe]

I swear half the things Ruby posts are direct responses to Tattle criticism. If she's not reading here then her management people must be.

And I second Griftwood's comment - when will it be 'soon'?

 

[Blue_Letters]

Rubert, "POV" is your literal point of view. Quick biology recap: Your eyes are located inside your head. If this is your POV, how the duck are you gonna be seeing yourself from 6 feet away performing some kind of contorted summoning ritual? Astral projection? The demon possessing your body and turning it into weird pretzel has expelled your consciousness and spat it out on the roadside? Inquiring minds want to know.

My new theory is that Ruby has been possessed by the ghost of a Victorian child who immediately changed it's mind and is desperately trying to leave, but Ruby won't let it. This 'yoga' is actually footage of this poor soul trying to escape as she clings on. What we think is her ranting to herself while staring at her computer in timelapse videos is really her interrogating this suffering spectre about gAanyoOine Victorian lifestyles. Has the ghost possessed Ruby, or has Ruby possessed the ghost?

 

[zoeanned]

Feel like if she’d got a first we’d know already? She’d be shouting it from the rooftops?

 

[karpusha]

Guys I love my new profile pic. It's taken from her recent insta story where she is trying not to look miserable while pretending that she loves writing.

 

[xoxoxo13]

Guys I love my new profile pic. It's taken from her recent insta story where she is trying not to look miserable while pretending that she loves writing.

I've never seen someone look so utterly miserable all the time, and I struggle with severe depression lmao

 

[StatusWoe]

Guys I love my new profile pic. It's taken from her recent insta story where she is trying not to look miserable while pretending that she loves writing.

Haha, love it!

I've never seen someone look so utterly miserable all the time, and I struggle with severe depression lmao

Same. You have my sympathy with the severe depression And yup, Ruby has mastered the depression resting face.

My new theory is that Ruby has been possessed by the ghost of a Victorian child who immediately changed it's mind and is desperately trying to leave, but Ruby won't let it. This 'yoga' is actually footage of this poor soul trying to escape as she clings on. What we think is her ranting to herself while staring at her computer in timelapse videos is really her interrogating this suffering spectre about gAanyoOine Victorian lifestyles. Has the ghost possessed Ruby, or has Ruby possessed the ghost?

Nice to see the 'Victorian ghost child Ruby' conspiracy theory gaining traction

 

[gossip_guy]

Guys I love my new profile pic. It's taken from her recent insta story where she is trying not to look miserable while pretending that she loves writing.

Ruby's reaction when she spots you trying to negotiate how much time to spend on leisure activities with your hectic schedule of adult responsibility.

Feel like if she’d got a first we’d know already? She’d be shouting it from the rooftops?

The grinning picture she shared on results day was the dead giveaway that she got exactly what she wanted. Ruby has been expecting to get a First since day one and would've been miserable if she got anything less. There's no way she'd have been going on tea outings and trips to Five Guys with mummy if she got a 2:1. She'd be inconsolable and her social media would have day/weeks of radio silence.

She just knows that grade reaction videos get more views than her usual crap so she's holding back until she uploads a video, and she's still terrible at quick content turnaround even with a wide open schedule.

 

[Meteorite22]

I think I'm just so surprised that Ruby has read Call By Your Name and apparently loves it as it's really not a book that I can see her wanting to read it, let alone inspiring her to go to Italy. I thought the book was okay but I dislike how predatory it was and the peach scene, I was horrified by that and it's put me off peaches ever since I've read it. I wonder what Ruby thought about it.

Would Ruby want to live in Italy after this? Will it become her new personality and fulfil a certain aesthetic for her? Anxiously awaiting for the new episode of the adventures of Ruby!

First off, I have watched the film not read the book yet*
Are there wild differences between the two? The reason I'm asking is because the book seemed to be marketed as a great, tragic love story.

The film made me feel uncomfortable and your "predatory" description nails why. An underage gay teenager being seduced by an early to mid twenties aged man isn't a warm-hearted love story.

Ruby claimed to love the Netflix drama 'Heartstopper' but CMBYN is a world apart.