it's such a strange post as well, standing in her massive house by her massive garden. very let them eat cake
Ruby granger #2 it’s acadaymia not acadeemia
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I don’t think she means it to come across that way. I’ll stand by what I’ve said before, that she incredibly sheltered and it’s expecting a lot to expect her to ‘get’ what all this disruption’s going to mean for a lot of people. To be honest, I’m more worried about her fire safety ...
It's really not; she's a 20 year old woman.
That, unfortunately, means very little to some people. My cousin is very similar to Ruby; the only difference is that he is old enough to be her dad. He was never encouraged to grow up and, as a result, he doesn't have a clue about in the inns and outs of modern society. It's very sad tbh as he has never had a partner nevermind got married and have a family of his own. I have no idea how he will cope when his parents pass on. I'm not saying that Ruby needs to find a partner but she does need to wake up to the world.
Yeah I guess I just struggle with the fact nobody every calls Ruby out on anything problematic because they treat her like a child "oh shes just sheltered". But she's the same age as Kate Elisabeth, Unjaded Jade, Eve Bennett... She's older (!) Than Elena Handtrack and Lydia Violetta.
She is not a child. She is a fully grown adult. If she hadn't switched courses she would be graduating university this year. It wouldn't be unusual for someone her age to have their own children, for gods sake. We should hold her to the same standards we'd hold any other adult.
She is not a child. She is a fully grown adult. If she hadn't switched courses she would be graduating university this year. It wouldn't be unusual for someone her age to have their own children, for gods sake. We should hold her to the same standards we'd hold any other adult.
Yes this! I do feel incredibly blessed that my partner is in Tier 1 and as my "support bubble" (I hate that phrase but that is by the by!) I am able to spend Christmas with them and their family (I live alone and have checked and rechecked the guidance - I am allowed!) so I don't have to spend Christmas on my own, but the flip side of that is I can't travel to see my own family. My brother and his fiancee are in Hertfordshire and thus Tier 4 so they can't do anything. Again, they are in a position of privilege because they will be able to spend Christmas together even if they won't see any family, but I have plenty of friends in Tier 4 living alone and unable to spend any time with their families over Christmas.
I really don't think Ruby means to come across this way, I've said before I feel like she would be mortified if she felt she was alienating or not considering people, but she really does need to start being aware of her privilege. I am aware of mine in this situation and whilst I am very grateful for it, I know that so many other people aren't in the same position and they won't be able to any sort of Christmas, let alone a "kind and grateful" one. And I think Ruby just needs to acknowledge that in some way - if you know what I mean. She's not a child, and she does need to be aware of the "outside world".
I grew up with relative privilege (though not like Ruby - my parents were very keen that we stayed at state school and got jobs as soon as we could. Neither of us were asked to pay rent whilst we still lived at home but that was on the understanding we'd pull our weight and our money would get saved into an account to buy a house or whatever) and my parents were very mindful of making us aware of this and acknowledging not everyone lives a life like we did, and as a result my brother and I always consider others and are very aware of our privilege within the world. It's really not a hard thing to teach kids, I've managed it with a class of 10 and 11 year olds this year!
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Ruby is a 20 year old woman that has led an incredibly sheltered life. I do like her but she is completely oblivious to what is going despite her claiming to know a lot.
Her parents have a part to play by not making her get a Saturday job when she turned 16 or making her pay rent when she began to earn an income. I understand that her parents don't need the extra income, evidently, but both of these things would have significantly helped her.
For instance, gave her life skills and people skills. Make her aware that things are expensive especially clothes and food.
Before anyone says anything, I had a privileged upbringing. Not to Ruby's extent but I went to a good school, never went without and lived in a large house. I would go on holiday often but nothing overly fancy but recognise my own privilege in all of these senses.
My dad practically forced me to get a job at 16 because he wanted to me understand how lucky I was and meet people from every background. He also wanted me to understand the value of money and stopped giving me an allowance. Obviously I was still fed and had a roof over my head.
I'm not trying to say what my dad did was right or wrong but it definitely moulded me into the person I am today.
I am grateful with what I have. I don't spend unnecessary amounts of money on clothes or food. My treat during the pandemic is a takeaway and I haven't bought any new clothes in months.
I live in a tier 3 area, we've been in restrictions a lot longer than everyone else in the UK and it's been horrendous. I've barely seen my parents or boyfriends family all year, and the same with my friends. I'm also on the frontline on low pay so my mental health has taken a battering.
Ruby is clueless to any of this because she's been cooped up at home in her own fantasy world.
I think Ruby will struggle if she has to move out or get a full time job. Both are likely as I doubt she'll be able to do YouTube forever. I feel like the obsession with being young again is her realising that she's not a child anymore and is scared of the real world.
Her parents have a part to play by not making her get a Saturday job when she turned 16 or making her pay rent when she began to earn an income. I understand that her parents don't need the extra income, evidently, but both of these things would have significantly helped her.
For instance, gave her life skills and people skills. Make her aware that things are expensive especially clothes and food.
Before anyone says anything, I had a privileged upbringing. Not to Ruby's extent but I went to a good school, never went without and lived in a large house. I would go on holiday often but nothing overly fancy but recognise my own privilege in all of these senses.
My dad practically forced me to get a job at 16 because he wanted to me understand how lucky I was and meet people from every background. He also wanted me to understand the value of money and stopped giving me an allowance. Obviously I was still fed and had a roof over my head.
I'm not trying to say what my dad did was right or wrong but it definitely moulded me into the person I am today.
I am grateful with what I have. I don't spend unnecessary amounts of money on clothes or food. My treat during the pandemic is a takeaway and I haven't bought any new clothes in months.
I live in a tier 3 area, we've been in restrictions a lot longer than everyone else in the UK and it's been horrendous. I've barely seen my parents or boyfriends family all year, and the same with my friends. I'm also on the frontline on low pay so my mental health has taken a battering.
Ruby is clueless to any of this because she's been cooped up at home in her own fantasy world.
I think Ruby will struggle if she has to move out or get a full time job. Both are likely as I doubt she'll be able to do YouTube forever. I feel like the obsession with being young again is her realising that she's not a child anymore and is scared of the real world.
Exactly. You don't have to live a certain experience to understand how it might affect a person. You can choose to ignore situations which you find uncomfortable to think about, but that doesn't mean that none of your followers are living in that situation.
Yup I completely agree. I'm 21, and have grown up with what I'm guessing is a similar level of privilege to Ruby. In fact, I see a lot of Ruby in my older brother (who's 25). He has absolutely no comprehension of just how badly people are being affected by the pandemic in general, and especially the new restrictions. He's led a really sheltered life, and struggled massively to get a job after uni because he just assumed that having gone to Oxford, people would be lining up to employ him. I've always had a much more realistic view of the world, and far more self awareness regarding my position, but I have to say I've learnt a lot from seeing his attitude towards the world when it's come to forming my own.
One thing that baffles me with Ruby is that, for me, reading has always been a fantastic way of learning more about the world outside of the middle class Surrey bubble. It gives me access to people, places, backgrounds, upbringings etc that are so different to my own, and I've found it a really valuable way to understand just how lucky I am to have been born as I was, as well as to learn about (though never truly understand) experiences that are way beyond my own lived experience. It seems very strange that somebody like Ruby, who is a self proclaimed bookworm, and lit student, hasn't managed to use reading as a way of going outside of her comfort zone of middle class English life. Also, can anybody think of a friend of Ruby who isn't white, middle class and English? My uni takes a lot of international students, so I've been able to meet people from loads of places I don't know much about (though not especially diverse socio-economic backgrounds unfortunately...). I wonder whether Ruby has made the most of uni life when it comes to meeting people from different backgrounds to her own.
One thing that baffles me with Ruby is that, for me, reading has always been a fantastic way of learning more about the world outside of the middle class Surrey bubble. It gives me access to people, places, backgrounds, upbringings etc that are so different to my own, and I've found it a really valuable way to understand just how lucky I am to have been born as I was, as well as to learn about (though never truly understand) experiences that are way beyond my own lived experience. It seems very strange that somebody like Ruby, who is a self proclaimed bookworm, and lit student, hasn't managed to use reading as a way of going outside of her comfort zone of middle class English life. Also, can anybody think of a friend of Ruby who isn't white, middle class and English? My uni takes a lot of international students, so I've been able to meet people from loads of places I don't know much about (though not especially diverse socio-economic backgrounds unfortunately...). I wonder whether Ruby has made the most of uni life when it comes to meeting people from different backgrounds to her own.
But a lot of understanding difference comes from meeting different kinds of people, and Ruby doesn’t seem to have done that. She went to an all-girls, small independent school, and then on to an RG university where most of her friends and acquaintances don’t seem that different to her, socially. She doesn’t seem to be interested in politics, except in an abstract sense, nor does she ever seem to have gone without or struggled - even her experience of bullying seems to have been managed and handled fairly well by her school. Her main ‘disappointment’ in life seems to have been her university rejection, which was tough for her but compared to what a lot of other 18 year olds have been through, in the grand scheme of things it’s not a lot. I’m not defending her as I think her lack of life experience and maturity shows, but we seem to be expecting her to be something she’s not. She doesn’t present herself as a social or political commentator, so unlike some of the other bloggers (like Jade or Eve Bennett) it’s hard to call her out on her obliviousness as that’s her whole brand - it’s all country houses and blackberries and tea and twinkles and that’s what her fans like. If anything, I blame her parents for not pushing her out of her comfort zone more, but if they’re similar how is someone like Ruby supposed to learn about difference in any meaningful way?
Boris Johnson hasn't met people from many different backgrounds. Lets not criticise him for not understanding what its like to come from a low income background.
See how ridiculous that sounds?
She has access to the internet and so much free time... She could learn, if she cared. At 20 you shouldn't be blaming her parents.
Personally, I think her parents deserve a lot of the blame.
I was sheltered until I was to get that job at 16 and had a rude awakening. I didn't look into politics amongst other things until I saw it right in front of me and it was staring me in the face.
I worked at a supermarket over a decade ago and I was very young. I recall talking about my local area and the older lady I was chatting to seemed stunned (she made it very obvious) that she shocked that I lived in the local area.
I was appalled by the assumption but also outraged, what did it matter if I did or not?!
Ruby hasn't had to struggle nor has she been made to or made to be aware/recognise her own privilege. She went on holiday across Australia at a young age. Some of my friends haven't even left the country and they're in their twenties simply because they can't afford it.
Ruby barely leaves her room or the house. Her parents allow her to do that. She's an adult now but as a child, they still allowed her to do that.
Now she barely has any social interaction from what we can tell and it's not good for her.
Being passionate is one thing but she takes it too far and her parents need to be held accountable in some regards.
I was sheltered until I was to get that job at 16 and had a rude awakening. I didn't look into politics amongst other things until I saw it right in front of me and it was staring me in the face.
I worked at a supermarket over a decade ago and I was very young. I recall talking about my local area and the older lady I was chatting to seemed stunned (she made it very obvious) that she shocked that I lived in the local area.
I was appalled by the assumption but also outraged, what did it matter if I did or not?!
Ruby hasn't had to struggle nor has she been made to or made to be aware/recognise her own privilege. She went on holiday across Australia at a young age. Some of my friends haven't even left the country and they're in their twenties simply because they can't afford it.
Ruby barely leaves her room or the house. Her parents allow her to do that. She's an adult now but as a child, they still allowed her to do that.
Now she barely has any social interaction from what we can tell and it's not good for her.
Being passionate is one thing but she takes it too far and her parents need to be held accountable in some regards.
Ruby isn’t a politician though. And I still think that there generally has to be something in life - be it an incident or a friendship with someone different to you - that opens your eyes to your privileges (admittedly though, that can happen repeatedly and you can be wilfully blind to it, as we see with many of the people in positions of power ...)Boris Johnson hasn't met people from many different backgrounds. Lets not criticise him for not understanding what its like to come from a low income background.
See how ridiculous that sounds?
She has access to the internet and so much free time... She could learn, if she cared.
There are loads of people like Ruby who can waft through life on a bed of privilege and never have to address that, that’s life. There are loads of YouTubers who are utterly, utterly blind to how different their way of life is to that of ‘ordinary’ people, but that’s the nature of the entertainment industry and ‘celebrity’. Why do we expect YouTubers to be humble and show an understanding of privilege? They’re just a commodity and a brand, we don’t really know these people. We praise people for being ‘genuine’ but all we see of them is a heavily edited five or ten minute video - they could be utter arses in real life but are saying the right things online. Personally, I think it’s really, really hard for people to address privileges without coming across as patronising. Let’s face it, Ruby acknowledging a big house, a big garden, a private education and a stable upbringing isn’t going to take those things away from her or make her life any less easy, and nor will it show any genuine understanding of what it means to have that privilege. She will never understand how much that’s all helped her and nor will she turn her back on those things. Chances are, she won’t ever realise just how much of a leg up she’s had and will continue to have.
Even if it was possible, I wouldn't want those things taken away from her. But her having this YouTube channel and being so painfully unaware of her legs up in life is damaging.
For example: Her making 12 hour study with me videos during A levels, but not talking about her private education and lack of part time job. People can watch that and think "I should've done more work and I could get grades like Ruby", when actually they probably never could... they just haven't been given the same chances ruby has.
Another example: On A level results day this year (when teenagers got given grades for exams they didn't sit, and those from low income backgrounds were disproportionately marked down) she made a cute little instagram story talking about how she got an A when she wanted an A* in her A levels but it was all okay! Which would have made people watching it feel like they were overreacting if they themselves were upset... but it was a completely different situation! She could've made a difference by sharing petitions or demonstration details...
This is badly worded because I wrote it quickly... but her not acknowledging or reckonizong her privilege when she makes these kinds of videos has real consequences.
I agree, at this point I think she likes being in her little sheltered bubble, thrives on it. She has no interest in educating herself beyond reading about Victorian girls fasting or some other odd topic, let's be honest. I doubt she fully realises how difficult some people have it in life because she's never been around them and posting about it on social media understandably makes her sound tone deaf.
What I think is interesting is how her and Martha grew up in the same family and turned out so different. Martha comes across as also very immature and clearly in an e-girl phase but also I doubt she skips around their garden and pretends to be a character in a children's novel and she seems quite a bit more independent than Ruby. So I'm not so sure it's all her parent's fault though I think they did certainly contribute to some of her childish behaviours.
This is actually a really good point. I suppose, arguably, in Ruby's position, how do you acknowledge all that privilege if it's all you've ever known? And actually yes, a lot of people probably would feel it was patronising and you're so right, it doesn't take away the fact that she has had those experiences. And actually, I suppose her entire brand is based around this "aesthetic" life so it works for her - why would you change that?! Life will always just be that bit easier for those in the world who have had a leg up in this way. And you're right, how do you say, "I have this massive house and lovely garden and I live out in the countryside and I know not all of you have that but..." without sounding like a massive a? Thanks for a different point of view!!
This is true too, though - she HAS had opportunities others haven't and it does run the risk of making others feel "less than" even if that's not her intention (which I really don't think it is!). But again, how do you explain your privilege without sounding like an a? It's probably quite a tricky one for people like Ruby!
Like others have said, her 12 hour study days and her disappointment because she got an A instead of an A*... So damaging
It's tone deaf and that's not normal to be that anal about your grades.
I get being a perfectionist but if I was her mum, my alarm bells would be ringing if my child reacted badly to that grade.
It's tone deaf and that's not normal to be that anal about your grades.
I get being a perfectionist but if I was her mum, my alarm bells would be ringing if my child reacted badly to that grade.
Martha strikes me as the kind of person that people start to politely avoid in the second and third year at uni, once they realise that she behaves like that because there aren’t going to be consequences for her in the same way that they would be for them. She’ll end up hanging round with a group of people who are in similar positions, socially and economically, and her world view will be as narrow as Ruby’s.
Oh I agree, but the question is how can someone like Ruby recognise her privilege when to her, it’s normal? I agree with what you say and it irritates the heck out of me when studytubers portray 15 hour study days as ’normal’ - I know it’s edited (but I’d guess a lot of her followers don’t), but you just think don’t you have to work, clean, wash up, prepare a meal? But I guess when you don’t have to do those things, you can build this fantasy.
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The thing with the internet is that there is no middle man who filters what goes out. Ruby has a disproportional influence and the majority of her audience are basically children. She is a 20 year old human who is obviously very privileged and at times normalizes pathological behaviour.
That is a problem which I'm not sure how to solve. Maybe keep reminding young people not to compare themselves with her or any other person online and take everything they say with a grain of salt? That's something even I, a fully grown adult struggle with at times. I don't know man, it really isn't easy being a kid watching all this. Let alone if you are struggling or disadvantaged.
That is a problem which I'm not sure how to solve. Maybe keep reminding young people not to compare themselves with her or any other person online and take everything they say with a grain of salt? That's something even I, a fully grown adult struggle with at times. I don't know man, it really isn't easy being a kid watching all this. Let alone if you are struggling or disadvantaged.
Yes, I would read her comments and worry about her audience trying to idolise her and emulate her habits thinking it’s what they should be doing to do well in school or university. I just wish they eventually stumble upon studytubers other than her or Holly Gabrielle that have more of a social life and aren’t always churning out study related content and teach useful techniques for retaining info and come to see how unnecessary she is. She's definitely not relatable to most young students. I'm not sure how long she'll keep her channel but it's clear she was born into wealth and will probably continue to be advantaged whether she stays in academia for years to come or writes professionally.
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