Roe v. Wade

[LaBlonde]

How was he able to do that? I thought only 2 died?

his selections were:

neil gorsuch
brett kavanaugh (of the aforementioned sexual assault cases)
amy coney barrett

kavanaugh came in for kennedy (to my memory) who retired. you’re right that the other two covered deaths though.

worth pointing out that acb succeeded rbg, who died while still serving but who people wanted to retire beforehand so obama could get another long term selection in. who knows how that may have worked out if she did.

they serve for a long time though. george bush snr still has two picks in there!

 

[mcfeez]

Barack Obama should have been able to nominate Garland in place of Scalia however the Republican senate at the time said it was not appropriate for Obama to nominate so close to the end of his presidency and would not approve the nomination. Trump went on to place Gorusch on the bench.

However - RBG passed away 2 months before Trump lost the presidency and yet McConnell and co had no problem approving Coney Barrett. Hence why there is now a conservative bench.

 

[thegirlscout]

his selections were:

neil gorsuch
brett kavanaugh (of the aforementioned sexual assault cases)
amy coney barrett

kavanaugh came in for kennedy (to my memory) who retired. you’re right that the other two covered deaths though.

worth pointing out that acb succeeded rbg, who died while still serving but who people wanted to retire beforehand so obama could get another long term selection in. who knows how that may have worked out if she did.

they serve for a long time though. george bush snr still has two picks in there!

Why didn’t RBG retire?

 

[mcfeez]

Was this a democratic decision? i.e the majority people or persons representing these states voted in favour? You can't be pro democracy and anti democracy at the same time.

Not really a legislative decision, but a judicial ruling. The power of the Supreme Court goes essentially unchecked. Years ago they decided that constitutionally everyone should have legal access to abortion. They got the conservative numbers up on the bench and apparently decided that that was no longer a correct assessment.

 

[petitspois]

The left has far more responsibility in this than we first realise. As has been noted, RBG could have left the SC while Obama was in power allowing him to appoint his choice of left-leaning judge. In addition, I looked more into something in that Spectator piece I posted earlier and, on wikipedia, it says:



During his tenure in the United States Senate, Barack Obama co-sponsored the 2007 Senate version of the Freedom of Choice Act (S. 1173). Responding to a question regarding how he would preserve reproductive rights in a speech given to the Planned Parenthood Action Fund on July 17, 2007, Obama declared, "The first thing I'd do, as president, is sign the Freedom of Choice Act. That's the first thing that I'd do."[4]

In a press conference on April 29, 2009, President Obama said that although he supports a woman's right to choose, passage of the Freedom of Choice Act was "not highest legislative priority"


If he had then (I think I'm right in saying) this couldn't have happened.

 

[LaBlonde]

Why didn’t RBG retire?

in the most basic of terms: because she didn’t want to

i think it was likely a pride thing, she was the second woman ever on the supreme court, which was obviously something to be hugely proud of, however she was very unwell (i think she had cancer twice) and refused to retire even when people were publicly begging her to. amy coney barrett was in place not even a month after she died.

we’ll obviously never know what would have happened if she HAD retired, or even if it would have impacted what happened now, but it certainly feels a missed opportunity in hindsight.

 

[FenellaTheWitch]

The company Patagonia are going one step further in saying they will pay bail for workers arrested for demonstrating.

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...acefully-protesting-reproductive-justice.html

 

[Ensay]

I’m disgusted at how many men there are celebrating this decision. No man has any right to tell a woman what she can and can’t do with her body. Our bodies, our choice. duck off with your celebrating. You will never have to go through the tit that we do. Periods, pregnancy, childbirth, menopause etc. Your life as a man will infinitely be easier.

Celebrating because they never need worry about getting a woman pregnant as no woman would let them near.

 

[NeverEnough]

Was this a democratic decision? i.e the majority people or persons representing these states voted in favour? You can't be pro democracy and anti democracy at the same time.

From my understanding all the abolition of Roe v Wade actually does is remove the federal right to an abortion and sends it to each state to make a decision at the local level. Hence Conservative states will ban the practice and liberal states will maintain it. And given this is the US it ‘s usually about 50-50 Republican v Democrat. So if a state has a Republican legislature which was elected on an anti-abortion ticket then I’m not seeing how that is undemocratic.

And those blaming “men” exclusively for this are watching very different news reports to me. From what I’ve seen there are plenty of women in the anti-abortion protests as well. Women from a younger demographic as well.

 

[Ensay]

From my understanding all the abolition of Roe v Wade actually does is remove the federal right to an abortion and sends it to each state to make a decision at the local level. Hence Conservative states will ban the practice and liberal states will maintain it. And given this is the US it ‘s usually about 50-50 Republican v Democrat. So if a state has a Republican legislature which was elected on an anti-abortion ticket then I’m not seeing how that is undemocratic.

And those blaming “men” exclusively for this are watching very different news reports to me. From what I’ve seen there are plenty of women in the anti-abortion protests as well. Women from a younger demographic as well.

Oh absolutely. Lots of 'conservative' women are against abortion. I have no idea why they'd celebrate their rights being taken away and I suspect some of them will regret it in future.

 

[NeverEnough]

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“Menstruating person”. Sigh. I echo owl_of_athena_ on this.

 

[Piff paff puff]

From my understanding all the abolition of Roe v Wade actually does is remove the federal right to an abortion and sends it to each state to make a decision at the local level. Hence Conservative states will ban the practice and liberal states will maintain it. And given this is the US it ‘s usually about 50-50 Republican v Democrat. So if a state has a Republican legislature which was elected on an anti-abortion ticket then I’m not seeing how that is undemocratic.

And those blaming “men” exclusively for this are watching very different news reports to me. From what I’ve seen there are plenty of women in the anti-abortion protests as well. Women from a younger demographic as well.

I only know the bare minimum about this tbh, I was just trying to establish if it was democratically voted for with a majority vote and whether people are for it against, it's obviously important that democracy is upheld.

 

[LadyLockdown]

Am I the only person to think that the SC is the most antiquated and useless of systems?

 

[Slaybutter]

From my understanding all the abolition of Roe v Wade actually does is remove the federal right to an abortion and sends it to each state to make a decision at the local level. Hence Conservative states will ban the practice and liberal states will maintain it. And given this is the US it ‘s usually about 50-50 Republican v Democrat. So if a state has a Republican legislature which was elected on an anti-abortion ticket then I’m not seeing how that is undemocratic.

And those blaming “men” exclusively for this are watching very different news reports to me. From what I’ve seen there are plenty of women in the anti-abortion protests as well. Women from a younger demographic as well.

I always get the sense that religious schools are behind their presence.

Was this a democratic decision? i.e the majority people or persons representing these states voted in favour? You can't be pro democracy and anti democracy at the same time.

It’s hardly democratic Trump lost the popular vote in the presidential election and yet he got to choose three judges for the Supreme Court panel which ultimately tipped the balance in favor of conservatives. Not only that, his nominations went through in his last year in office but when Obama tried appointing judges in his final year the Republicans blocked him saying it was unjust.

 

[LaBlonde]

Am I the only person to think that the SC is the most antiquated and useless of systems?

it’s a useless system but i honestly feel like trying to rule “the united states” of america is a useless system in itself. each of the 50 is like it’s own country - they each have their own governor and senator, and anyone who has been across the us knows that each one is completely unique.

trying to rule 50 independent little and not so little nations as a collective whole is borderline impossible, which is what they’ve discovered from the get-go with the amount of infighting. i have no clues how they solve it, but the current system does not work.

 

[LadyLockdown]

it’s a useless system but i honestly feel like trying to rule “the united states” of america is a useless system in itself. each of the 50 is like it’s own country - they each have their own governor and senator, and anyone who has been across the us knows that each one is completely unique.

trying to rule 50 independent little and not so little nations as a collective whole is borderline impossible, which is what they’ve discovered from the get-go with the amount of infighting. i have no clues how they solve it, but the current system does not work.

You make a good point. Not at all "united" then really, are they?

 

[LaBlonde]

From my understanding all the abolition of Roe v Wade actually does is remove the federal right to an abortion and sends it to each state to make a decision at the local level. Hence Conservative states will ban the practice and liberal states will maintain it. And given this is the US it ‘s usually about 50-50 Republican v Democrat. So if a state has a Republican legislature which was elected on an anti-abortion ticket then I’m not seeing how that is undemocratic.

it’s been a long while since i looked at any stats but i would love to know the current breakdown of liberal to conservative states. i know the obvious ones (texas, california, most of the south etc) but i don’t know if it’s a clear 50-50. i’ll have to research because, like you say, it’s an interesting point.

You make a good point. Not at all "united" then really, are they?

they never have been. not to go into a full us history lesson here but their ruling system was never really going to work - the states were infighting from the start. they are pretty unique (and young) as a country so i get there wasn’t much experience for them to draw on, but i cannot see how they continue as they are.

 

[thegirlscout]

it’s a useless system but i honestly feel like trying to rule “the united states” of america is a useless system in itself. each of the 50 is like it’s own country - they each have their own governor and senator, and anyone who has been across the us knows that each one is completely unique.

trying to rule 50 independent little and not so little nations as a collective whole is borderline impossible, which is what they’ve discovered from the get-go with the amount of infighting. i have no clues how they solve it, but the current system does not work.

America reminds me of Russia in the sense that it’s a very big country and there are so many different areas within.
I would say that both need to be broken up to be governed better but then look at Canada - that’s a massive country and they don’t seem to have nearly as many issues, same with Australia.

 

[Slaybutter]

You make a good point. Not at all "united" then really, are they?

The tenth amendment to the US Constitution is meant to ensure that the federal government is limited in its powers. It was hard getting states to join the union.

 

[Jen667]

amazing, isn't it, that all this deeply religious people have somehow convinced themselves that their kind, forgiving, loving god would want women to feel frightened, to unnecessarily put their lives at risk and for millions of unwanted babies to be brought into the world?