Real Life Crime and Murder #3

For every image of child abuse, there is a victim.

I watched a BBC series many years ago called The Hunt for Britain's Paedophiles and it has never left me. I've just found it on YouTube if anyone wants to watch it. I am warning you now though - from memory, it is very graphic and absolutely devastating in parts.

Be More Pacific said:

For every image of child abuse, there is a victim.

I watched a BBC series many years ago called The Hunt for Britain's Paedophiles and it has never left me. I've just found it on YouTube if anyone wants to watch it. I am warning you now though - for memory, it is very graphic and absolutely devastating in parts.

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The one that was on recently was also graphic. I couldn’t watch the third episode it was a tough watch.

Its_Me said:

The one that was on recently was also graphic. I couldn’t watch the third episode it was a tough watch.

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I've recorded it - not watched it yet.

Its_Me said:

Sorry I don’t agree with that. Did you watch the under cover police catching a peadophile documentary? Only possessing child pornography is a bit like saying it was only an indecent exposure, most of them go on to commit bigger crimes. Possessing images is adding fuel to the supply and demand. Psychiatric help should be in place yes but he broke his conditions of release so he should very much have been sent back to prison.

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Supply and demand will exist even if you take the dark web down, because ultimately there will always be sick individuals who want to carry out a crime on an actual child, or find people who 'sell' their children for that to be done. If material is made or not is another issue completely. Presumably, if you give the supply side of the chain psychological help, it should minimise the impact of the distribution side of the chain.
I did watch the documentary and found a lot questionable with how the internet works in regards to this. However, on parole (and possibly past it though I'm not so sure) many of the offenders will have very limited internet access that will also be heavily monitored.
As for how to actually 'stop' the whole clearnet thing, it's very much on the parents and the actual websites to stop it at the moment. Something the documentary pretty much said at the end.

Also, he was sentenced to prison. No one will ever actually agree that it's long/not long enough because there's way too many opinions regarding it.

Merpedy said:

Supply and demand will exist even if you take the dark web down, because ultimately there will always be sick individuals who want to carry out a crime on an actual child, or find people who 'sell' their children for that to be done. If material is made or not is another issue completely. Presumably, if you give the supply side of the chain psychological help, it should minimise the impact of the distribution side of the chain.
I did watch the documentary and found a lot questionable with how the internet works in regards to this. However, on parole (and possibly past it though I'm not so sure) many of the offenders will have very limited internet access that will also be heavily monitored.
As for how to actually 'stop' the whole clearnet thing, it's very much on the parents and the actual websites to stop it at the moment. Something the documentary pretty much said at the end.

Also, he was sentenced to prison. No one will ever actually agree that it's long/not long enough because there's way too many opinions regarding it.

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what should happen is that credit card companies etc were charged for people buying child abuse images. I imagine is this were the case it would be cleared up quickly. I know it never will be 100% , but just resigning it to happening because there is an audience. The supply/demand aurgment works in prostitution, not in child being raped

Merpedy said:

Supply and demand will exist even if you take the dark web down, because ultimately there will always be sick individuals who want to carry out a crime on an actual child, or find people who 'sell' their children for that to be done. If material is made or not is another issue completely. Presumably, if you give the supply side of the chain psychological help, it should minimise the impact of the distribution side of the chain.
I did watch the documentary and found a lot questionable with how the internet works in regards to this. However, on parole (and possibly past it though I'm not so sure) many of the offenders will have very limited internet access that will also be heavily monitored.
As for how to actually 'stop' the whole clearnet thing, it's very much on the parents and the actual websites to stop it at the moment. Something the documentary pretty much said at the end.

Also, he was sentenced to prison. No one will ever actually agree that it's long/not long enough because there's way too many opinions regarding it.

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Yeh I know he was sent back, I was just agreeing that I felt that was the right course of action. But what I was saying originally is whether or not he should keep being given new identities but as another said not giving it to him comes with its own troubles. He will be out soon so I hope there has been some kind of reform this time round.

Be More Pacific said:

There were photographs of the police outside their house I believe on Twitter.

I keep going back to Lucy Letby, the Chester nurse. Two years it took for her to be charged and yet her name was out there, along with photographs of her, her house, her road name was printed, from the time she was first arrested thanks to the press. She had to move back in with her parents in Hereford.

Even if she hadn't been charged, her life as she knew it was effectively over. She would forever live under the cloud of suspicion. No doubt she's had to sell her house (I don't know) and she'd never be able to work as a nurse again. The same applies if she's found not guilty.

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I don’t know much about this case, if it took 2 years to charge her how in earth was her name leaked or who leaked it? Also since been named to being charged did any other babies die under her care or did she stop working completely.

emm said:

totally agree, watching images of children being abused ( I hate the term child pornography, it is child abuse, nothing else) and having done it more than once....

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I second this the term must always be ‘images of child sexual abuse‘. There is never any consent. I wish the media would stop using the term ‘child pornography’.As far as I’m concerned this is one of the biggest issues we face, the level of demand is staggering and the output beyond anything the police can manage. We need huge funding and collaboration with tech firms. At grass roots level no doubt we need to understand more about the ‘why’.
i have had the channel 4 docu on my planner for weeks. I can’t get past the first 5 minutes.

MissTeddy said:

I second this the term must always be ‘images of child sexual abuse‘. There is never any consent. I wish the media would stop using the term ‘child pornography’.As far as I’m concerned this is one of the biggest issues we face, the level of demand is staggering and the output beyond anything the police can manage. We need huge funding and collaboration with tech firms. At grass roots level no doubt we need to understand more about the ‘why’.
i have had the channel 4 docu on my planner for weeks. I can’t get past the first 5 minutes.

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exactly, i described this to my partner the other day (not a native english speaker) and he was kind of shocked never to have considered how awful this was as a term. there really needs to be a campaign to change it. just vile imo

Agree with the points above, child porn is a disgusting term and I always correct anyone who uses it - child abuse images are what they are. Being sexually abused as a child is harrowing enough, I can’t imagine how hard it would be to deal with knowing images and videos were available on the internet and who had access to them.

Lulu Goss said:

Agree with the points above, child porn is a disgusting term and I always correct anyone who uses it - child abuse images are what they are. Being sexually abused as a child is harrowing enough, I can’t imagine how hard it would be to deal with knowing images and videos were available on the internet and who had access to them.

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I am glad people agree with this, is there anyone (more internet savvy than me ) who could do some kind of petition to change this?

BashmentLady said:

*Trevor Deely. Aye there's a good bit out there including:

• Irish Times article
• The Chapter video
• Cold Case Detective

Very sad, and very strange.

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Just watched the Chapter video and this is a baffling one. Him going back to the office doesn't bother me as much since he was really close by and probably just wanted to get out of the rain / grab the umbrella.

I'm always frustrated with unsolved cases that pre-date really good CCTV, smart phone, proper DNA etc because it feels like there will never be answers.

emm said:

I am glad people agree with this, is there anyone (more internet savvy than me ) who could do some kind of petition to change this?

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Just found this response to one that was previously started. I suppose it’s more about educating people to use the right term really.

thegirlscout said:

I don’t know much about this case, if it took 2 years to charge her how in earth was her name leaked or who leaked it? Also since been named to being charged did any other babies die under her care or did she stop working completely.

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I read a long time ago that the press pay the police well for 'information'. I guess it comes down to making a quick buck v keeping your police pension.

Pretty sure she didn't work there again after her first arrest. When she first started coming under suspicion is anyone's guess and how heavily she was monitored after that (before her arrest) I assume that will all come out at the trial.

Its_Me said:

The one that was on recently was also graphic. I couldn’t watch the third episode it was a tough watch.

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It was such a hard watch, really interesting series though and I'm glad the the police do sting operations - the thought of that vile man turning up to meet an actual child with an Easter egg, sex toys and cable ties is horrific.

Of course I've always been upset by child abuse and child ssxual abuse stories, but since my nephews have come along I'm traumatised by what goes on in this world.
Recently a man in Ireland waa convicted of raping a 6 month old baby girl-i couldn't even bear to read the article.

Im the same as age as Jame bulger would be and I've always been aware of what happened and how awful it is, but seeing my nephews at the same age as him and their personalites and stage of development and thinking of what he went through just rips my heart into a million pieces. Same with every case of child abuse I've read or heard about.

Regarding the demand in child sex abuse images, I totally believe the demand is greater than we would ever imagine.
I'm not a man hater but they truly do walk among us disguised as normal people.

Years ago a friend of mine was seeing a guy. Went drinking and for dinner with them a few times, slept in bed with 2 of them after a night out (drunk early 20s days, it's not aa weird as it sounds). He wasn't someone I really clicked with but I got on with him.
She stopped seeing him, and confided in me a while later she had found out he had been arrested for killing a sheep in a very violent way and possession of images of child sex abuse. He hadn't told her and she had found out from someone in the know. I would have never suspected something was off about him, in fact he seemed very innocent and like a simple country young lad.

Be More Pacific said:

I've just finished watching the two part documentary on Suzy Lamplugh that was on last night on Sky Crime.

It was fairly interesting - some photographs of Suzy and a police interview with John Cannan I'd not seen before - but ultimately, nothing really new.

It's called The Suzy Lamplugh Mystery and is repeated on Friday and Saturday night this week.

Next Sunday, there is a programme about the murder of Shana Grice called Murder In Slow Motion: The Shana Grice Story. And on 18th April, The Murder of Lee Irving: A Mate Crime.

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Did you see star Met post a tweet appealing for information on Suzy’s case? Lots of people replied thinking it was cynical PR exercise. What do you all think?

Be More Pacific said:

For every image of child abuse, there is a victim.

I watched a BBC series many years ago called The Hunt for Britain's Paedophiles and it has never left me. I've just found it on YouTube if anyone wants to watch it. I am warning you now though - from memory, it is very graphic and absolutely devastating in parts.

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I just can’t watch those kinds of programmes. They are important and am so glad that the police investigate the cases, but it is too awful. Any other type of crime, I am interested to try & understand, but child abuse is where I have to bow out

emm said:

I am glad people agree with this, is there anyone (more internet savvy than me ) who could do some kind of petition to change this?

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It's the term 'kiddie fiddler' that really upset me. It just sounds so horrible and degrading to the victims. I absolutely hate it.

I don't think I could watch any of the paedophile hunter documentaries. Too close to home. My cousin (in his 40s) attempted suicide a couple of years ago (and thankfully was unsuccessful) he had a breakdown and ended up in a psychiatric unit for a while.
It turned out that he had been sexually abused as a child by more than one person and had just bottled up inside him for years.
He had a LOT of counselling and is doing well now.

Her.

Knowing that her mother had to identify her on the tape. She was the youngest Moors Murders.