There are tons of what ifs that would have meant it didn’t happen, focusing on the family moving here over a decade before the incident absolutely has racial undertones and her recent grief doesn’t absolve that.
There are tons of what ifs that would have meant it didn’t happen, focusing on the family moving here over a decade before the incident absolutely has racial undertones and her recent grief doesn’t absolve that.Harry’s mother even said at the beginning she didn’t want Anna to go to prison because she was a mother herself. She just wanted her to take responsibility for the crime.
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I suppose if the family hadn’t moved here then the man wouldn’t have been able to murder 3 people and run over others - I guess in her mind it’s a way of making sense of it all. Her son was brutally and viciously murdered only a year ago, I think some people are expecting a lot from the families when their journey of grief has only really started.
I agree.Harry’s mother even said at the beginning she didn’t want Anna to go to prison because she was a mother herself. She just wanted her to take responsibility for the crime.
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I suppose if the family hadn’t moved here then the man wouldn’t have been able to murder 3 people and run over others - I guess in her mind it’s a way of making sense of it all. Her son was brutally and viciously murdered only a year ago, I think some people are expecting a lot from the families when their journey of grief has only really started.
Cries Unheard by Gita SerenyI'm glad you can do that - for your sake, as it's free ing. Hating is exhausting and poisonous. It doesn't help anyone. Having compassion for that driver frees you and makes your loss easier to bear. Thank you for being that person.
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I agree. It's shades of Denise Bulger (now Fergus) who has never, ever, ever been allowed to have any sort of peace or any sort of reconciliation with the murder of her little boy. I hope to God this doesn't happen with this family.
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QMLAN because I never actually finished that post! The book I recommended was The Devil's Children by Loretta Loach, a history of children who kill and how they've been treated. Another good one about the Bulger case is The Sleep of Reason by David Smith. Cries Unheard by Gita Sereny, about the Mary Bell case, is another very good one.
I don't mean to sound sanctimonious when I talk about this stuff. I'm sorry if I come across thus. I felt, very strongly, similarly to some of the posters on this thread at the time of and subsequent to the killing of poor little James. Hence I did a lot of reading as I like to understand the opposite perspective and where it comes from. I can honestly say that like I said in my other post, condemning a little less, and understanding a little more (unlike John Major, who generally I think gets it right, but I think got it wrong on that occasion) is not only best for society but can do something to alleviate the suffering of the victim's family. Because hatred and condemnation never grow old. They fester and can destroy.
I appreciate it's easier said than done; but I feel, with young children, we need to give it a shot for all our sakes.
100%.There are tons of what ifs that would have meant it didn’t happen, focusing on the family moving here over a decade before the incident absolutely has racial undertones and her recent grief doesn’t absolve that.
Mine too. I thought it was especially ironic when his mum said that the killers family haven’t lost their son… they have in a way, to the mental illness and they have to deal with both watching their son so tortured and the knowledge that he was failed to such an extent that he killed people as a result of his illness. That’s not easy for his parents to deal with anymore than losing their son is easy for the victim’s parents.100%.
His family, unless they literally gave him the knife and told him to go kill 3 people that night, are not directly responsible for his actions.
If he is as ill as it has been reported, I would argue he is not directly responsible. I imagine it is incredibly difficult to fool actual psychologists into pretending you are incredibly mentally ill.
It is a horrific situation for all involved but blaming his family for moving here will serve no one.
I really hope they can all start to heal as much as possible. My heart breaks for them all.
I remember a case years ago where a lad was kicked to death by 3 lads. After being released, one of the killers met the lads parents. The father (and I believe the mother too) said they forgive his killers. They didn't feel that being angry would achieve anything.I really do feel for the families but staying in the anger phase of grief and focusing it in the wrong place will be so damaging to them long term.
I saw this first hand with my Nan. She lost her son in road traffic accident and placed all her hurt into anger at the person who hit him. I can’t imagine how hard it is to lose your child but my nans grief was as raw 50 years later as she had never processed it, her anger held her back.
There's some debate as to how he got in the suitcase - or there was.I guess the video evidence would show the majority of the crime. Boone wants the battered spouse defence and I wonder if the court app lawyers have been unable to find an expert.
Unfortunately, I saw it on DM without a warning. What have the Met said to try and justify this barbaric action?I feel disgusted with the police in W London and what they did to that poor cow. There was no need to use so much force. As a Hindu it absolutely sickens me. The fail has the video TW
supposedly the cow has a huge cut to its leg but looking the video I wouldn’t be surprised if it has suffered more.
They should put a warning. it is under Surrey police’s watch.Unfortunately, I saw it on DM without a warning. What have the Met said to try and justify this barbaric action?
Ah, yes please send us any info or footage (before putting it online)They should put a warning. it is under Surrey police’s watch.
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I can’t believe that police took 2 hours to try and secure the cow and decided that hitting it with their reinforced van was a sensible idea. In that time they could have called a farmer, a police unit that deals with animals etc, anything.I feel disgusted with the police in W London and what they did to that poor cow. There was no need to use so much force. As a Hindu it absolutely sickens me. The fail has the video TW
supposedly the cow has a huge cut to its leg but looking the video I wouldn’t be surprised if it has suffered more.
I get adjustments being made for them. We don't need a repeat of Jamie Bulgers killers walking free after 5 minutes but part of me thinks that they need to understand the absolute seriousness of what they've done. Sit them with someone who can explain the proceedings to them yeah but I'd leave everyone with their wigs on looking official. This is serious stuff!!!Two 12 year old boys found guilty of murder - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles...type=owned&at_format=link&at_ptr_name=twitter
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