Real Life Crime and Murder #20

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This is so interesting to me - I’d never heard anything negative about Claudia’s father before and of course, he was so vocal and committed about finding his daughter.

I had read that he drank with her at the pub. The impression I got was that he would stay for a couple but perhaps not - perhaps he was very much involved in the scene. He was red-faced which can sometimes indicate a heavy drinker.

He was separated from Claudia’s mother, although I don’t know when they broke up or why.

The information about money troubles is new to me. I assumed there was a little money in the family as Claudia was a homeowner (working as a university chef and living on her own, you could assume her family helped her to get on the property ladder) and also her house hasn’t been sold, nor rented out as far as I can ascertain, which you’d expect to happen if they weren’t financially secure.

Sorry - I’m barely adding to the conversation with this post but I’m fascinated by this twist.
I listened to it last night. It was interesting but it didn't reveal that much new stuff really.

I didn't feel the presenter was suggesting that her dad had anything to do with it, more that he was covering the fact that some people didn't like him which hasn't really been widely known. He basically said he wasn't necessarily the Saint some people made him out to be but people are multidimensional. He wanted to show both sides but I feel he developed a loyalty to Joan throughout recording.

He did make a bit of a thing about Jen King's reaction to a straightforward question about Claudia's dad, where she jumped to his defence. However, given she would be aware of criticism of him over the years, I didn't find that particularly telling either.

There was however, clearly a deep rift between him and Joan, it must be something serious, despite Joan understandably wishing not to comment on it further. That makes me wonder about a possible 'dark side'.

It says that he sometimes helped Claudia out financially. They probably wouldn't have been able to sell or rent her house because her assets were likely frozen until she was able to be declared deceased (I think it's 7 years).That's why he campaigned for a change in the law, to make managing finances simpler for families with missing relatives to deal with. Who knows, maybe some of those issues led to his debt. Maybe he had problems before.

Martin and the CCTV camera thing is odd, he must have had a hand in installing them, to have control over them. He wouldn't have been able to access Council cameras due to data protection.

The info in the last episode was the most interesting, although I think it might be a bit irresponsible to have publicised it. Even with the name changes that lady's ex will know who she is.

The change in height of the wall is an important factor. If they used the wrong wall height as a reference measurement in the computer software when ascertaining the suspects height from the CCTV, it will not have calculated an accurate height of the person! I'd also be very interested to know to what extent up to date specialist software could improve the image quality compared to whenever it was last done.

Also, I'll keep my opinions to myself regarding the criminologist who is interviewed for the podcast (I'm deliberately not naming him) but he did make a good point that forensic opportunity was lost in terms of the delay in searching her house given there were other people with a key.
 
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I think she's clearly very vulnerable, she's elderly and a victim of crime. She also comes across as slightly delusional, thinking Claudia might not have had affairs because of a Christian upbringing. Which is a bit mad.

Theres also a bit where she visits her house. She has retained the keys and it is semi untouched (for example, Claudias clothes are still in the wardrobe) but her bed is missing etc. She thinks someone has been in the house frequently without her knowing. She describes how painful it is to think of people looking in the windows as they pass and goggling at her stuff so she makes sure the curtains are closed every time, and yet when they visit again, the curtains are open. So who knows what is going on.

It certainly sounds like people know more than they are saying, which echoes what the police have said.

The bombshell at the end with the witness who has had a sort of confession, the podcaster leaves saying they will need to do more investigation. So there will be more episodes I think. Its very well put together.
I'm surprised she doesn't have the locks changed if she thinks that someone is entering the property. And even fit an alarm. I would.

In a way I can understand her not complaining more at the time if her husband was violent (I don't know if he was - I'm speculating).. He may have had her scared of him, but I would hope that if I was worried about my child I would put my own fears to one side. It's hard to predict how people react to domestic violence/ coercion, though.
 
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I think she's clearly very vulnerable, she's elderly and a victim of crime. She also comes across as slightly delusional, thinking Claudia might not have had affairs because of a Christian upbringing. Which is a bit mad.

Theres also a bit where she visits her house. She has retained the keys and it is semi untouched (for example, Claudias clothes are still in the wardrobe) but her bed is missing etc. She thinks someone has been in the house frequently without her knowing. She describes how painful it is to think of people looking in the windows as they pass and goggling at her stuff so she makes sure the curtains are closed every time, and yet when they visit again, the curtains are open. So who knows what is going on.

It certainly sounds like people know more than they are saying, which echoes what the police have said.

The bombshell at the end with the witness who has had a sort of confession, the podcaster leaves saying they will need to do more investigation. So there will be more episodes I think. Its very well put together.
Thank you, I will give it a listen, it sounds like an interesting update after years of seeing the same recycled information.
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I'm surprised she doesn't have the locks changed if she thinks that someone is entering the property. And even fit an alarm. I would.

In a way I can understand her not complaining more at the time if her husband was violent (I don't know if he was - I'm speculating).. He may have had her scared of him, but I would hope that if I was worried about my child I would put my own fears to one side. It's hard to predict how people react to domestic violence/ coercion, though.
Yes, there will be a lot more to this than meets the eye. The mum, dad and Claudia seem to have had complex relationships with one another.
 
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Something that was seen on the CCTV during the course of the investigation into the manslaughter charge?
God alone knows what is going through the minds of parents with children in that dreadful place. I would be worried sick that my child had suffered, and it hadn't been caught on camera.
 
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I listened to it last night. It was interesting but it didn't reveal that much new stuff really.

I didn't feel the presenter was suggesting that her dad had anything to do with it, more that he was covering the fact that some people didn't like him which hasn't really been widely known. He basically said he wasn't necessarily the Saint some people made him out to be but people are multidimensional. He wanted to show both sides but I feel he developed a loyalty to Joan throughout recording.

He did make a bit of a thing about Jen King's reaction to a straightforward question about Claudia's dad, where she jumped to his defence. However, given she would be aware of criticism of him over the years, I didn't find that particularly telling either.

There was however, clearly a deep rift between him and Joan, it must be something serious, despite Joan understandably wishing not to comment on it further. That makes me wonder about a possible 'dark side'.

It says that he sometimes helped Claudia out financially. They probably wouldn't have been able to sell or rent her house because her assets were likely frozen until she was able to be declared deceased (I think it's 7 years).That's why he campaigned for a change in the law, to make managing finances simpler for families with missing relatives to deal with. Who knows, maybe some of those issues led to his debt. Maybe he had problems before.

Martin and the CCTV camera thing is odd, he must have had a hand in installing them, to have control over them. He wouldn't have been able to access Council cameras due to data protection.

The info in the last episode was the most interesting, although I think it might be a bit irresponsible to have publicised it. Even with the name changes that lady's ex will know who she is.

The change in height of the wall is an important factor. If they used the wrong wall height as a reference measurement in the computer software when ascertaining the suspects height from the CCTV, it will not have calculated an accurate height of the person! I'd also be very interested to know to what extent up to date specialist software could improve the image quality compared to whenever it was last done.

Also, I'll keep my opinions to myself regarding the criminologist who is interviewed for the podcast (I'm deliberately not naming him) but he did make a good point that forensic opportunity was lost in terms of the delay in searching her house given there were other people with a key.
I agree it was likely irresponsible to publish the last bit too, given she said that she had been in for an interview with the police (which to me, makes me think she's been taken seriously) and they had said 'you understand that we wont be able to tell you any progress we make with this info' and then she said 'and I've never heard back!' well duh lady. Maybe the murderer now knows the police are on to him.

I'm sure the cold case team will have the tech to the do with the wall height nowadays.

I thought I was posting a bit much on this subject and dominating the thread so I have created an individual thread for Claudia's disappearance.

(11) The disappearance of Claudia Lawrence | Tattle Life
 
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there was an undercover documentary a few year back on RTE here in Ireland where a journalist went undercover in a nursery and it was absolutely horrific. Putting babies face down was very common and being very aggressive and shouting at tiny infants. It closed down after the investigation but it really opened my eyes to what might go on in these places
 
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Thank you for mentioning that cold case show. It is brilliant to see utter scum get their just desserts. Gives me hope that one day I will tell the police I’ll support the statement I gave 9 years ago.
 
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I was so glad to see that Katie Roughley the nursery nurse was found guilty, what she did was horrendous and there is no doubt that someone with that much experience would know how dangerous putting a baby in that position is. Poor Genevieve and her parents, it’s heartbreaking.

The nursery sounds toxic, the ratios they were working with were impossible. Nobody can care for small children effectively with those numbers and I have no doubt it massively impacted staff and the way they behaved towards the children. Someone should be answerable for putting staff and children in that position.
 
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I agree. The greedy nurseries should use their massive profits to pay their staff for bank holidays rather than passing the cost onto the poor parents who are shafted enough.

It’s not like their daily rate covers just the staff salaries either - it’s all of their overheads (food, power) that won’t be used on a BH. So it’s a con.
totally agree. And to those that complain they still have to pay them as I said upthread - they have to pay staff when they are on annual leave but they don’t tell you you can’t bring your child into nursery if their key worker is off for AL. So clearly they can and do build enough pay for holiday into the fees - bank hols should be no different to general AL in that respect. It shouldn’t all fall on parents who have to use Mondays.

Equally, at least where I am, most don’t charge if they choose to close for two weeks over Christmas and New Year as many do including ones who charge for the regular bank holidays so clearly they can and do build holidays into it even though they still have to pay their staff. The bank holidays are a cop out.
 
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Thank you for all this detail - so fascinating.

I’m not saying that I disbelieve the mum but it’s interesting that she didn’t speak out so loudly when he was around.
I did watch a documentary several years ago where both Claudia’s mother and sister spoke about her father. This was well before he died. They were particularly upset with him for the blonde hair photo as she had reverted back to her dark hair. There did seem to be resentment that witnesses could have been lost as the press ran with the ‘missing blonde’ story and the father for taking over the investigation.
 
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If this isn’t a poisoning I’ll be very surprised

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I really hope it’s not poisoning because the person who found him and the emergency services could have been exposed to something horrible as well. Reading the stories of those who tried to help during the Salisbury poisoning was difficult, the police officer and his family went through so much.
 
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Christ, this is awful.

Tragedy as grandfather kills grandchildren aged 10 and 13 before shooting himself dead two months after his wife and daughter died in car crash while he was driving

These types of cases really bother me. If you are miserable and want to kill yourself, go right ahead. But don't take others with you. Especially kids! How selfish. It is so heartbreaking.
 
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Devastated for little Genevieve parents, my own anxiety around nursery’s and childcare led me to only put my children into them when they could talk, so that if anyone harmed them they could at least tell me.. isn’t that a awful way to feel!

I refused one nursery based on the average age of the nursery workers.. too young and IMO had a off hand approach to the children…
One had a swimming pool.. big bleeping no..

Anyway.. I hope this disgusting woman gets the highest sentence possible. And rots
A swimming pool? Absolutely no way would my child go to nursery with a pool.
 
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