Preston Davey Trial

[SamPam]

Can someone help me find an article from a few weeks ago with Preston’s birth mother? There were photos of them together at a contact centre, and she was in full PPE (face shield, apron, gloves) due to Covid. I’m sure it was the BBC but I can’t find it anywhere.

Are you sure that wasn't the other adopted baby, Leiland James Corkhill? He was murdered by his adoptive mother and there is a similar photo of Leiland with his birth mother.

 

[Mamchat]

Can anyone tell me if the accused are on remand or living in the community?
Are they still together ?
I can find the answers

 

[PaddyDomino]

trying to figure out his family, this is one sister and then a different sister is the sleep trainer, she has a different name. and then the mother's name is also different.
the daily mail's podcast is good, there is a new episode out now

Thank you, and I've just listened to it, it does have a lot of detail.
I'll put a link to the latest episode:

 

[nothinonyou]

I saw what you posted earlier and just been struggling to find it. Seems they have edited the DNA part out now

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Wonder was it wrong that's why it's gone?

 

[Square Peg]

Unfortunately these monsters aren’t far from me. Drove past their house a fair number of times and always surprised to see it still standing.

Me too, drove through Normoss & Staining daily for work.

 

[nothinonyou]

Yes CPS authorised charges of SA on JMF so they must believe they have enough evidence of this.
It’s just so awful.

John was in the house that day as well so knew full well what happened. I think every other charge Jamie is alone with the baby but sending explicit pictures to John

 

[Melian]

I don't think so. Heterosexual and homosexual couples are subject to the same assessment process. Discrimination- positive or negative is not allowed under equality law.

I have 2 female friends who are married and have adopted children. Their youngest has been in their care since she was 10 months old. 3 months after her third birthday, it went to court and they formally adopted her.

 

[PaddyDomino]

Ahh so I wasn’t going crazy with not seeing it!

I screenshot it earlier this afternoon to post on here and then I didn't get a chance to, I wonder why it's been edited out?!

 

[Here2BNosey]

Sorry I'm not fully caught up on the thread so apologies if this is out of place. I've just been reading through some of the back articles on the Blackpool Gazette after the link was posted to Varleys interview.

I'm now even more confused on Varleys Teaching timeliness.
Apologies I'm shit with links but I'm pretty sure this is correct from various reporting.

He did his teacher training between 2019-2021 (incidentally during mostly covid and lockdown times, remember those days?......)

They began the adoption process in late 2021, and passed stage 1 of the process early 2022. Then they took a break before the 2nd part, I'm pretty sure it was said because he wanted to get his year 11s through their exams as he had had them from the start?
I'm sure one of his teacher colleagues said that. But how if that was his first year as a qualified teacher? Had he been head of year during training?
Also the thing about the prom was when they had Preston with them wasn't it? The meet up at the hotel with colleagues. So that would relate to year 11s/exams, but this is a year later in 2023.

Its not especially relevant i suppose but I can't figure it out.

 

[Upintheair83]

Yes, this is what I think, he was genuinely panicking in the hospital because he knew what he'd done and he knew he was caught.
It's so interesting what you say about leakage because he says I'm done, I'm going to hell, I effing killed him, he even says that he's going to be done for child neglect and that is exactly what his initial arrest was for.
He's literally telling us what he's done and what is going to happen!
I remember there was an FBI statement analyst called Peter Hyatt, he used to analyse the interviews and statements of Madeleine McCann's parents, and he used to say if a person tells you what they've done, believe them!
Another thing I remember him saying is that there are red flags in statements, for example, the number three is the liar's number and if it appears a lot in statements it's a red flag.
Another flag is a lot of talk about bathing and showers, it's a red flag for sexual abuse, and when I saw the amount of times Preston is mentioned as being in the bath, it did remind me of what Peter Hyatt had said.

Peter Hyatt was so interesting, would be great if he was still around to analyse.

 

[JarvisCockerSpaniel]

Yep! A dbs check is not really worth the paper it's written on as its only valid up until the point it is published. After that some places dont want one until 3 years after.

I keep seeing all these videos being released. Is this normal during a trial? I thought it was after the verdict they released everything?

Most will have to be on a rolling update service now, where it’s reviewed every year and can be checked by prospective employers/professionals at any time. I work with children and they won’t employ with just the standard DBS. But yes I agree it only highlights things you've been caught for.

I’m wondering about the footage too- I thought we weren’t supposed to be privy to things like that whilst a trial is ongoing?

 

[Lyla001]

Way to completely misconstrue what I said, well done

I didn't misconstrued anything. I knew exactly what you meant. And I stand by what I said.

 

[Lavender425]

Yes, and I think McGowan-Fazakerley also worked with children, as a tutor or something?
I don't think I've seen what his job was exactly.
I suppose it's one reason they seemed good prospects as adoptive parents, they must have passed enhanced checks for their teaching/tutoring jobs?

In the trial podcast episode, they said he worked in Sales.

 

[Lucymyers]

Well there was no water in the bath when police attended the house. Apparently due to a seal which had been leaking and then glued that day.
Preston was sick multiple times and had fresh nappies on after soiling them. Will they present photos of the house showing no sick and no dirty nappies.

He qualified as a teacher in 2021. He'd been a design technician before that at the same school and did his training there presumably a SCITT arrangement. He was then head of year by the time he took paternity leave in 2023 so only qualified 2 years. Very fast to get to that level really considering he only held QTS since 2021.

Id read there was evidence water had been in the bath when the police checked after preston died

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

I believe he was possibly unconscious after being deprived of oxygen.

That was the conclusion I drew.

Either that or he was so exhausted and terrified by what had been done to him that he "froze".

 

[nothinonyou]

I think he was in the house at the time Preston was photographed over the cot which was what I thought this poster was referring to? Jamie took the photo and sent it to John whose phone location put him as being in the house. I may have also got this wrong but I’m sure that is what the reporting said?
On the day Preston died, John was not in the house.

Yes that's what I meant thanks

 

[nothinonyou]

You are supposed to think it was intended either intentionally "beyond reasonable doubt" OR that you it is "beyond reasonable doubt" that you should have been aware that your actions were likely to cause death and you were reckless and didn't give a toss, I think.

Personally, I think the foul POS had been prolonging the distress for poor little Preston - starting at comparatively short periods of abuse and torture and getting progressively long as he gained confidence and got away with it time and again. I think he believed that Preston would choke, and have a fit every time - perhaps even "get used to it" and developing some sort of iresistance, and that he could prolong his own vile pleasure and that Preston would still (eventually) recover and start breathing again.

This is my opinion, of course - I have no idea what goes through the mind of someone like this, who gets a kick from torturing and abusing a helpless infant. He wouldn't have given a damn if Preston had ended up severely brain-damaged for lack of oxygen (it might even have been a bonus for him - then Preston could never tell). IMO he was uncaring and reckless in the way he abused that poor baby, and intentionally allowed him to die by not taking him to hospital the moment he realised that he wasn't going to breathe properly again. Instead he filmed it and let that baby suffer for God alone knows how long? An hour? Something like that - and only took him to hospital when it was too late, and he'd had time to fabricate a cover story with the other POS, and they'd destroyed or hidden all the evidence they could find.

This is murder, and in the most dreadful and cruel way imaginable.

Yeah it definitely doesn't have to be premeditated (I think that's an America term?) just that any reasonable person would know your actions will likely kill somebody, that's murder

 

[Pulltheotherone]

I have just listened to it now walking my dog.
It’s awful - hateful slugs.

 

[Jayneh2020]

All the things they have seized and fact findings so clearly going to have his sperm all over it... the bag of sex toys aswell cant bare thinking about

 

[Rubyroo160]

I don’t think it is commonly known, but DNA itself can’t be determined to be from a particular source (blood, semen, skin cells etc.).
The genetic code in a cell from skin, blood, saliva, or semen is the same code. So when a forensic laboratory extracts DNA and produces a profile, that profile tells you whose DNA it is, but it does not, on its own, tell you what body material the DNA came from.

The sample around the DNA can be tested and in some cases is very obvious. Semen has microscopic characteristics which is what they used to determine that this was found in a saliva sample from the cot that also contained a mix of DNA from JMF and JV.

With the sex toy the obvious defense is transfer DNA from Preston to the toy via the hands of JMF or JV. The prosecution will be layering the evidence so that one strand alone is doubtful but together it leaves little room for manoeuvre.

So out of interest, if the DNA can’t be determined to be from a particular source could the men not just say their DNA was on the cot from them touching it with their hands? I’m not defending them but just hoping they can’t wriggle out of this.