Preston Davey Trial

[maytoseptember]

Are you sure that wasn't the other adopted baby, Leiland James Corkhill? He was murdered by his adoptive mother and there is a similar photo of Leiland with his birth mother.

Ah yes! It was. Thanks for setting me straight.

 

[Rubyroo160]

No, they mean internal organs such as bladder and bowel, indicative of damage due to insertion of an object/penis.

Ok thank you. Just terrible

 

[Jayneh2020]

Yeah you’re probably right. I feel I should clarify that I didn’t mean I’d love to go and watch it as though this is all just some juicy gossip. What I meant was, I find the criminal justice system fascinating and when I’m invested in cases like this one, I’d love to actually see the perpetrators being brought to justice. I feel my post may have been worded really insensitively and that’s the last thing I want.
Just felt I had to clear that up

No i knew what you meant it am exactly the same I find this case really interesting not in a disturbed kind of way. I also would like to go but I just doubt they would open the doors and allow public to attend I could imagine there to be uproar if they did.

 

[calmyourritas]

I’m trying to keep up but finding it really hard with all the different names and the jumping around the dates

 

[YellowTail]

I’m not sure he was using the timer during the SA. I agree not everyone would know how long it takes to suffocate. I wonder if he was using it to time Preston’s respiration rate? I’m not really crediting the man with that much intelligence (or indeed care for Preston’s wellbeing) but that might account for why he opened up the timer app on his phone - to assess how serious his breathing difficulties were.

That still doesn’t explain why he didn’t seek help until JFM came home though.

Maybe he’d had enough of Preston, and hoped he’d die before the other man returned from work!

 

[nothinonyou]

Where are people reading the trial? I have been using MEN but there isn’t as much detail as I’m seeing posted here.

Also - I am really confused by the description of Preston slumped over the cot. I’m imagining him standing and leaning over but it sounds like he’s not breathing (lips blue etc) - how is he in this position? Wouldn’t he move away if they’re not holding him? Or has he been forced into that position for so long he now can’t?

I just can’t picture what is actually happening to him. Altho I also feel like I don’t want to!

I'm confused as well, apparently he is asleep but his lips are also blue? Is he unconscious?

 

[PaddyDomino]

Confused about John's job he worked in sales right? How come some papers are saying he has a child facing role and he used to work in south shore academy as an exams invigilator?

Yes, he seems to have been a sales rep but I'm sure I'd read somewhere that he'd been employed in education, and I thought it was tutoring but it could have been as an invigilator.
It's something he could have done alongside being a sales rep, I suppose.
Varley probably got him the job in the school, as it's the same school as he worked in.

 

[Lyla001]

Do they have to be sure of this, or is it sufficient to have planned to commit an assault that has the probability to kill?

I suppose im thinking of the sentences the killers of Star Hobson and Arthur Labinjo- Hughes got. I doubt they actively planned murder, but their deliberate and intentional actions caused death.

Yes, I understand what you mean. I think this explains it pretty well.

 

[NiceChai]

Yep! A dbs check is not really worth the paper it's written on as its only valid up until the point it is published. After that some places dont want one until 3 years after.

I keep seeing all these videos being released. Is this normal during a trial? I thought it was after the verdict they released everything?

There's no set time frame for DBS rechecks sadly. Schools can choose to do them as often (or not) as the like. In theory, a teacher could have a DBS from appointment and then never get rechecked at all whilst in post in the same setting.

The update service can help, but its not mandatory to sign up.

 

[Fauxphiehinchcliffe]

Where are people reading the trial? I have been using MEN but there isn’t as much detail as I’m seeing posted here.

Also - I am really confused by the description of Preston slumped over the cot. I’m imagining him standing and leaning over but it sounds like he’s not breathing (lips blue etc) - how is he in this position? Wouldn’t he move away if they’re not holding him? Or has he been forced into that position for so long he now can’t?

I just can’t picture what is actually happening to him. Altho I also feel like I don’t want to!

 

[Mycatismad]

Are there no live updates from the trial today as I’ve not seen anything since the court resumed this morning? (not sure if it’s my phone though)

 

[Square Peg]

I read it as perhaps it was a bath/shower and they had a baby seat, one that sticks to the bottom of the main bath tub. So he’s trying to say he’d sit Preston at one end while he showered, so wouldn’t actually be leaving him in the water. But then I’ve got no idea how he’d be able to say he’d drowned. I suspect all the things he said at the hospital were to display the fact that he was pretending to be absolutely mystified on what could have happened to result in the death of Preston, possibly in the hope that the medical professionals would draw their own conclusion of some sort of tragic accident and that would be that. I believe absolutely everything he says and does at that point is to try and save his own skin. He also said to the paramedic ‘he climbs’ so was definitely trying to create multiple scenarios that could have been to blame.

Bath tub with separate glass shower cubicle.

 

[Mycatismad]

The court reports are on Manchester Evening News, I got in through through Facebook

Thank you, I thought it seemed odd.
ETA- I was on the Lancs live page.

 

[Rubyroo160]

Are we in the second week of the trial or the third please?

 

[PaddyDomino]

Are there no live updates from the trial today as I’ve not seen anything since the court resumed this morning? (not sure if it’s my phone though)

It's not letting me link but the Manchester Evening News was reporting live this morning.
They stopped at lunchtime and the Court isn't sitting this afternoon, it seems.

 

[SamPam]

Yes yesterday they said there was water residue in the bath. I wonder if they mean the bath water wasn't still in the bath, as he claimed neither of them drained it?

 

[nothinonyou]

Are we in the second week of the trial or the third please?

2nd week since it restarted

 

[Rubyroo160]

You’re not being dim. I can only assume it’s because fluid got onto his lungs as he was trying to breathe during the abuse (and just typing that makes me gyp)

Goodness me. Thank you for the explanation, this makes sense.

 

[Kebab girl]

Yes, according to the Lancs Live reporting of the trial, he was still a "looked after child", and a social worker was visiting weekly.
According to The Trial podcast, the name that Varley and McGowan used, Elijah, was Preston's middle name.

Ah ok, that’s more understandable/acceptable. Regarding the name I mean.

 

[Airhead93]

Jamie Varley is short, fat, dark haired and behaves hysterically, John Fitz is tall, slim, blonde, wears glasses and is calm in nature.

It was confusing me they used many descriptors thank you