Preston Davey Trial

[sebanna]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned and I’ve missed it.
in JV’s account of his day to the detective at the hospital he goes through the naps the been sick the bath. But he never thinks to mention that the poor child had a seizure (that he filmed but doesn’t remember filming) Ah but he was going to send it up a friend who also had children who had suffered from seizures. There are so many inconsistencies in his story it’s unbelievable. And the fact that he no comments when he can’t think of an excuse are ridiculous.

Yes, the timeline makes no sense. In one version Preston is put down for a nap, immediately bathed on waking, is found under water and rushed to A and E. In another there is a seizure an hour and quarter before they leave for the hospital, JV immediately forgets this ever happened until the video is found.
When the police got the house the bath had been drained of water including any sick but there was water residue present. Why did he bother moving a bath seat to the sink when he had a critically unwell baby needing care?

 

[jessica justice]

Regarding JV’s body language with the yawning and sighing in his police interviews

 

[nothinonyou]

I saw it reported by ITV:

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Thanks I was just thinking how fatal that is and a baby would not survive that so this must be what caused the respiratory failure

 

[Mancnet]

I thought the person discussed would be his mum. I googled the name and area and found her and there’s a photo of her and the eyes are the same. Tragic that the grandma wasn’t allowed to have him if that’s all true

 

[Lucymyers]

The prosecutor said that stains in the cot were examined and were "consistent with the presence of fluid containing saliva, the microscopic characteristics of a sperm cell and a mixed DNA result that could have originated from cells from Preston and Mr McGowan-Fazackerley were found".

The question for the jury is how does a sperm cell get into a saliva sample in the baby’s cot. I can’t think of any innocent explanation.

This case is devastating and I’m almost certain JV will be found guilty of at least some of the charges. He left that poor baby to struggle with his breathing while he recorded a video of him hours before he finally took him to hospital where he was pronounced dead.

See i thought that it was v that was the abuser and mf allowed it but both must of been sa the poor baby if his sperm cells were on the cot

 

[PaddyDomino]

I agree. There’s no way he just woke up one day deciding to sexually abuse their baby. Those urges don’t just appear suddenly, they were already entrenched.

Will be interesting to see whether Varley had previous for any sort of accusations of inappropriate behaviour during his teaching career. His choice of job won’t be a coincidence.

Yes, and I think McGowan-Fazakerley also worked with children, as a tutor or something?
I don't think I've seen what his job was exactly.
I suppose it's one reason they seemed good prospects as adoptive parents, they must have passed enhanced checks for their teaching/tutoring jobs?

 

[SamPam]

I don't think he'd had any seizures, it looks like his eye had been like it from when he was with the foster family.

 

[Ray_of_Sunshine]

Wolf in sheep’s clothing. Are they being held on remand does anyone know? Haven’t seen it mentioned.

 

[Lolly505]

So the dna found in prestons pants
Both dna found on them... anyone know what they mean by this comment ?

"not unexpected given the domestic nature of the case"

As others have said, it'll be referring to the fact they were living together and they were his carers. So all their clothes will been gathered up, washed and put away by the suspects, where they might have even been using the same laundry basket, etc. Plus they were the ones dressing him, etc, so it's not impossible that it could have been transferred in an innocuous way (like changing him after putting dirty laundry in the machine).

Technically even if Preston's DNA being present on the 'DNA mix' on the sex toys, that wouldn't be conclusive proof of sexual abuse happening either. For instance, I'm friends with a couple whose young child (at a similar age) managed to get hold of a, uh, personal item that they'd accidentally left out and apparently was very upset that his horrified parents managed to wrangle it off him before he could proudly show Grandma what he'd found

Now I do think the pair in this case are highly suspect from other details that have come out so far. But the forensic experts can only state what DNA has been found, not explain exactly how it got there.

 

[Rhubarb10]

He is a monster! I have to reserve my opinion on the bf until the other evidence comes out.

 

[Here2BNosey]

Sorry I'm posting so much in here but this case is taking over my mind, it honestly has me tormented. But I've a possible theory, perhaps its tinfoil hat but I've read all the details and spent an unhealthy amount of time thinking about it all.

JV made a lot, and I mean a lot of comments to people about how he was struggling. I want to put him in the field of cows, he's dead, he's spoilt, the foster parents spoiled him, I'm struggling with dark thoughts blabla. It doesn't really couple well with someone trying to hide the abuse that theyre committing. So it made me think there must be a reason why he was saying all that so openly, he is a tactical psychopath by all accounts so I think everything he said was for a reason..

I think maybe they planned to get a baby to abuse when it was small and non verbal, but not keep. I think he was setting up the backstory for the adoption to fail, so he could discard that poor child before he became too dangerous to abuse. A year off work to fulfill his sick desires and then return to sympathy and back pats. Loads of photos as a memory until he took it so far he killed him. Thoughts?

I hadn't thought about that. I feel like this could be terrifyingly accurate.

 

[Itchy of Itchington]

I’m pretty sure they are shown photographs of the bruising visible on his body 🥲

Not caught up on all of today's but they are using a body map which is basically a outline in the shape of a body and then the pathologist marks all the places she found the bruises and draws them on as accurately as she can. This is the sort of image they use and mark on external injuries

 

[IGiveUp22]

There are 14 separate charges for image related charges alone.

Definitely more to come and I wonder what’s meant be pseudo image, is that AI?

Also worth remembering ‘counts’ isn’t the number of photos. They group multiple types together.

The jury have got to come to a verdict on 25 separate charges for JV alone!

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Ahh I’d not seen them broken down this way. I’m wondering if the pseudo image does have something to do with AI or a filter?
Or these could potentially be images he had in his possession from a site.

Normally when images are found, that would be reported in the press and at the start of the trial if they weren’t all related to Preston - the prosecution would 100% went to bring up they found other indecent images as it adds to their motive which is why I’m leaning more towards all the images charges are in relation to photos he took of Preston rather than images he’s been accessing online. I hope that makes sense - I might be wrong, it may well come out later that they did find things on his devices.

 

[JCMSadie]

The DNA wasn't as bad as I thought. It really does hinge on the postmortem, because a lot of things can be explained away right now. Apart from the photos, but we don't really know what about them is deemed inappropriate. I have naked pictures of my kids as babies, and if their genitals are in them I didn't really care as they were innocent, not for sharing outside the family and not the focus of the picture. He could easily claim he was trying to do one of those baby photoshoots and using the bath as a white backdrop, a lot of those have the baby naked in them. I'm not saying he/they are innocent, but unless the pictures are explicit then is it really enough to prove beyond reasonable doubt at this stage the horrific things they're accused of?

 

[Shinythings]

The evidence against JMF is that he received these videos and pictures and did nothing about it.

Ah right. I guess more will come out if they are saying he participated in an assault but I wonder if his argument will be that he did receive them but JV explained them as something else e.g maybe asking him if in the poo video, if his poo looked like he had an allergy etc

I think that will be his defence. Either JV gave a plausible innocent explanation for everything or that he had a weird feeling something was going on but thought he was overreacting and gave him the benefit of the doubt.

And I agree with others. I only have one picture of my son fully naked and that's of his very first bath but it's more a case of it being accidental rather than intentionally. I don't think I would ever feel comfortable bathing with a child that wasn't biologically mine, especially after such a short space of time.

 

[IGiveUp22]

It’s hard to know whether their stories are changing or is it the witnesses just getting bits/bobs from second hand which is making it appear like their accounts are changing?

I found one of the statements interesting about Jamie throwing himself on the floor and shouting but there were no tears…he really put on a performance didn’t he.

Im sickened by some of the suggestions - the milky fluid , him bathing him for a second time that day, the video… that poor little baby.

I can see where some of the threads of their defence are coming through but imo, I don’t think it will be enough but I appreciate the defence haven’t had their turn yet. Just from this incident, not a lot makes logical sense - you would expect him to be wet, you’d expect him to have produced water during resuscitation, the blood gases are also key evidence for me personally - that would be swaying me as a juror hearing that

 

[JCMSadie]

Does anyone get the photo of preston leaning on the cot... is he standing up with his arms and head resting on the bars or is he bent over in a sexual position and left dangling. I dont get the reasoning behind this if preston is standing up asleep resting his head on the bars then why would this account to anything sinister?

Yeah, I'm struggling to picture it (maybe that's for the best, as they seem to be focused on this picture...).

 

[JCMSadie]

They kept changing their story to different people, jamie said he went to pick him up in his cot but his arm was stuck somewhere then it was something to do with a toy box causing his injury. There were different reasons he kept saying like it was an accident.

I think the toy box was the explanation for the head bruises. But yeah, there were different stories about the arm - first he dropped Preston when putting him in the cot, then it was his arm got caught in the bars when picking him up, I think there was something about him twisting when being picked up, and then one doctor even said he was told it was to do with the car seat.

 

[scantysandwich]

I stand corrected. I’d assumed that the fact they were different charges meant that one carried a slightly higher punishment than the other.

I think that may have been the case before 2003. It would be interesting to know if in reality sentencing reflects that they are of equal seriousness under the law.

I’ve been poor at putting distressing details behind spoilers, and this is a really upsetting case so I’ll be better going forward.

Spoiler: The Charges

JV is charged with two counts of assault by penetration. This means the prosecution believe he used an object or body part other than his penis to penetrate Preston’s anus specifically. Each count alleges a distinct incident and each count requires a verdict from the jury. They believe one incident was on the day of his murder and the other I’m not sure about. They must have good reason to believe it happened more than once.

 

[maytoseptember]

When you say the usual behavior is to keep escalating, does this mean that a pedophile knows they will eventually be caught and they accept that, and just keep going as long as they can? This off to prison stuff isn't cutting it. Surely at least chemical castration would be a small first step?

When a man has a paraphilia (there are many forms, see screenshot below) they invariably reach a point where the thing that used to really excite them gets kind of boring, so they have to get more and more extreme with their behaviour to get the same thrill. This can be a flasher who decides start wanking on trains in full view of a woman, or a cross dresser who decides to stop getting dressed up at home in secret and wants to go out in a dress and heels instead. There are endless examples, but one thing always rings true no matter what the paraphilia - they just get more and more consumed by it and their behaviour/offending ramps up and up.

I truly don’t know if a pedophile has enough foresight to think he’ll inevitably get caught. I think he’s literally only concerned with his next orgasm honestly. And probably believes that he’ll just carry on getting away with it. I’d be very surprised if they were of the mindset that they had to make the most of things while they can But who knows, honestly? These sickos are so far removed from humanity who can truly tell what they’re thinking.