Sorry to be coarse but when the pathologist says pelvic organ injuries is this referring to Preston’s pen?
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Not caught up on all of today's but they are using a body map which is basically a outline in the shape of a body and then the pathologist marks all the places she found the bruises and draws them on as accurately as she can. This is the sort of image they use and mark on external injuries
No, they mean internal organs such as bladder and bowel, indicative of damage due to insertion of an object/pen.
This will relate the to bruising to his bladder mentioned earlier. The details coming out are horrendous
It usually means bladder or bowel. We know he had a perforated bowel from the opening Prosecution speech
Ok thank you. Just terrible
Regarding JV’s body language with the yawning and sighing in his police interviews
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Sorry but anyone that believes those injuries combined with the evidence that the poor baby’s DNA was all over the sex toys or the male sexual DNA from both men being all over his trousers is some kind of innocent coincidence would have to be a moron. It’s very obvious what was happening to that baby. Combined again with all the digital evidence of obvious cruelty and fetishisation of this baby. I feel confident they will both be found guilty.
Yeah I’m still surprised by the DNA experts but I guess stand alone, they have to say it’s not conclusive. Added with the other evidence, for me it’s as conclusive as it gets.
As some people had predicted on here, the pathologist has produced the most damning evidence yet. I can’t bring myself to repeat it fully but she is able to say that the injuries to Preston were within the hours before his death. There is no getting out of this now for these two evil creatures.
I can’t actually believe what I’m reading tbh. The levels of depravity and cruelty are off the scale.
These sickos didn’t see Preston as human, they saw him as an object, a receptacle, an experiment. They treated him coldly from the start, saying he was spoilt and needy, leaving him to cry alone. They made zero attempts to love him, nurture him, keep him safe.
That poor baby was in a living hell, he must have been in constant physical and emotional pain. Especially after he had been with a loving foster mum for his first ten months
Like others here, I’m deeply upset by this case but feel I need to see it through to the end.
And I don’t want to hear ‘lessons will be learned’ cos it seems to me that they never are
That poor baby was in a living hell, he must have been in constant physical and emotional pain. Especially after he had been with a loving foster mum for his first ten months
Like others here, I’m deeply upset by this case but feel I need to see it through to the end.
And I don’t want to hear ‘lessons will be learned’ cos it seems to me that they never are
How than this be countered in the defence? Just how? It will be interesting to see what they can come up with because it's just horrific beyond....there are no words.
What were the DNA findings for his throat specifically?
I know DNA was discussed yesterday and they said the findings were neutral, was this including throat swabs?
I know DNA was discussed yesterday and they said the findings were neutral, was this including throat swabs?
Ya know what i dont get is the level of abuse he done to him knowing hes causing seizures, bruises etc hes still under social care and likely they would question him about bruises and stuff. How did he think he was getting away with it. Why would he film him and have photos knowing the likelihood of him being caught is very high.... I mean I dont undertsand a mind like his but if I was adopting a child purely to do these things why would I film him knowing I would be caught.... I cant belive I have just wrote that but did part of him want to be caught ? Did he think he was smart enough to get away with it... would the outcome of him being arrested have been any different if he didnt film this stuff and I question if john was deleting stuff on his phone outside the hospital aswell. Pair of scumbags !
He’s clearly a narcissist and he will have believed he was untouchable which would have contributed towards it.
He’s also a sadist who would have wanted memories of the abuse through pictures and videos.
He may have also had plans to share the images and videos in future. I would hope the police investigation would have found out if he had been sharing pics and videos of Preston on Snapchat during the abuse.
I'm sure I'm not the only one weeping at the pathologist's evidence. Thinking about my own precious children and grandchildren as babies, and feeling so devastated for Preston's pain and fear at the hands of those two monsters.
The latest update on MEN is horrific regarding the bruising on Preston’s bottom. Not sure if of I should type it though - can someone please explain how to put things behind a ‘spoiler’?
I've honest to God never wanted to inflict violence on anyone in my life like I do them, JV especially 
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