She was also, tbf, very young. 25 I think? I don’t know about you but I was a bit of a prick at 25 and that’s without the crap upbringing peaches had
I think I've mentioned the Primrose Hill thread before, but someone said SS are involved with celebs, but light touch, because a nanny is usually doing the job of a foster parent, so why bother using public resources when the family are paying the nanny to parents? I think it does make sense.so i was in the shower thinking it’s a bit of a false equivalence to compare peaches to a single mum in a council house on a shit housing estate. we didn‘t grow up with this imaginary woman as a constant figure in magazines and the news. peaches got special treatment for being peaches geldof and to say “would you be as upset over a fictional single council house mum” is a bit annoying because YES i would be sad if a mother died leaving her young children alone in the house.
No one has disputed the family ‘being on their radar’ but it doesn’t mean SS would have been involved on a long-term basis necessarily. IE SS would’ve been referred to but likely a safety plan put in place to protect the kids (mum engaging w services re heroin use, nanny/family childcare as a support, dad as a protective factor, clean well kept home due to cleaner) then if no evidence to suggest this plan isn’t being adhered to they would close the case.I just asked my cousin who is a midwife and she said that absolutely social services would have been aware of the situation (being on a methadone programme would have triggered it). Re Peaches, she mentioned that the likelihood is the baby was taken to the neonatal unit straight away to be weaned off, he may have been given time with Peaches to bond but that would also be under supervision by SS. She also agrees it’s strange how relaxed the family were with Peaches, taking the son to her alone and leaving the baby for 18 hours with no contact (considering the dad was a social worker). I also work with a school and the safeguarding rules are very strict (rightly so) and we do get SS involved where we’re suspect anything serious that leaves the children in a dangerous situation as we have a duty to do so. I think they are involved (albeit vaguely aware) of a lot.
I think others have said pretty much the same but I don’t think it’s wild to think that SS would have had her on their radar.
She was also, tbf, very young. 25 I think? I don’t know about you but I was a bit of a prick at 25 and that’s without the crap upbringing peaches had
My dr gave me tramadol once, it made me so ill the day after I didn’t take it againI wouldn’t say I was ever fully addicted but when I was cleaning out my grandma’s house after she died I came across an impressive stash of cocodamol, codeine and tramadol. It coincided with me having a really bad bout of toothache and coupled with the trauma of losing her plus a break up, I started taking them most nights to get the buzz and get off to sleep but it then graduated into being taking them during the day and for most of the day too. I would just stick to cocodamol/coedine in the week and have tramadol on the weekend when I didn’t have to get up or drive. I liked the way it just makes you feel numb and in your own little bubble almost. The stash ran out and I was buying cocodamol from the chemist for a bit and getting tramadol from someone I know with chronic back pain but I did manage to cut it out and haven’t touched any of them since. I have never felt so sick in my life as when I stopped taking them. I am no stranger to a lot of drugs and there is substance abuse in my family so I realised I needed to be careful. Alcohol is the main issue in my family tbh, have lost two uncles to it.
She may have been bf. I was fully bf my first daughter. And there’s 1year 1week between her and her younger sibling, and that’s with me going 2 weeks overI’d say 100% she was not attachment parenting and was not exclusively breastfeeding
For her to have physically been able to get pregnant again at three months postpartum is pretty conclusive that she wasn’t ebf, ebf DOES stop your menstrual cycle for at least 6 months (when you are bf round the clock and not supplementing or handing baby over to someone else for long periods of time) this is mother nature’s intelligent design to stop you from getting pregnant again too soon (pregnancy can tank your milk supply and that would threaten the survival of the already existing baby)
The fact that she even had time to have sex tells me she wasn’t AP and ebf, generally with AP you don’t put your baby down to sleep in their own sleep space like a cot or Moses basket, they bed share with you and tend to BF constantly, it is very intense and you don’t get a minute to yourself, I bet she had a nanny or a lot of help from the grandparents, how could she be doing AP while on a drug like heroin?? It’s not possible, for a start it isnt safe to bedshare with a baby while on drugs and one of the key features of AP is bedsharing
I feel like she favoured AP, and wanted to AP, so presented that image of herself publicly but behind closed doors things were probably a mess with a lot of help and support being given to her to enable her to even be present with those babies, it is all very sad
Yeah I agree, those sorts of families can afford round the clock childcare and then can send the kids away to school so at the minimum, the kids are fed, bathed, warm and safe even if they don't have much contact with their parents in any sort of meaningful way. But social services would have to get involved with a pregnant woman using for obvious reasons.I think I've mentioned the Primrose Hill thread before, but someone said SS are involved with celebs, but light touch, because a nanny is usually doing the job of a foster parent, so why bother using public resources when the family are paying the nanny to parents? I think it does make sense.
yeah 100%, AP is just responsive parenting, basically responding to your babies needs, you know, like you’re supposed to! Don’t know why that’s been given a special nameDon't we all use AP at the beginning? I know I did (I think) but I didn't know the term. I've had "velcro" babies who wouldn't settle with anyone else, probably due to breastfeeding. We really had no routine due to feeding on demand and no cot. God it was exhausting!
I think the tabloid media tried to hint that her lifestyle and parenting wasn't what she said it was, but then you had these parenting magazines who ran interviews on the AP stuff. Peaches reinvented herself somewhat from gobby teenager to earth mother in her head at least. It all leads me to believe she was in complete denial about her reality and possibly had some sort of delusion that she was in control. She appeared headstrong and denied any association with drugs, could she really have faced the truth being exposed? I don't think so.
The bedroomyeah 100%, AP is just responsive parenting, basically responding to your babies needs, you know, like you’re supposed to! Don’t know why that’s been given a special name
yeah she was definitely trying to reinvent herself as some kind of ‘earth mother’
I know other people have already said but the idea of that little baby alone for 17 hours while she was dead is horrifying, when my daughter was one she would go absolutely apeshit if left for 10 minutes while I went the toilet, let alone 17 hours, and the fact that she was using heroin while she had sole care of him is also horrifying
Thomas said at the inquest:
“I found her in the spare bedroom. We both used it when the kids were sleeping,” Cohen told the Coroner, answering a series of questions about the socialite's past drug use
I can’t work out if he meant from that they both used the spare bedroom while the kids were sleeping or used heroin while they were sleeping??
That's been dealt with ad nauseum. He meant the spare bedroom. There's nothing to suggest he uses drugs.yeah 100%, AP is just responsive parenting, basically responding to your babies needs, you know, like you’re supposed to! Don’t know why that’s been given a special name
yeah she was definitely trying to reinvent herself as some kind of ‘earth mother’
I know other people have already said but the idea of that little baby alone for 17 hours while she was dead is horrifying, when my daughter was one she would go absolutely apeshit if left for 10 minutes while I went the toilet, let alone 17 hours, and the fact that she was using heroin while she had sole care of him is also horrifying
Thomas said at the inquest:
“I found her in the spare bedroom. We both used it when the kids were sleeping,” Cohen told the Coroner, answering a series of questions about the socialite's past drug use
I can’t work out if he meant from that they both used the spare bedroom while the kids were sleeping or used heroin while they were sleeping??
Oh god not this againThomas said at the inquest:
“I found her in the spare bedroom. We both used it when the kids were sleeping,” Cohen told the Coroner, answering a series of questions about the socialite's past drug use
I can’t work out if he meant from that they both used the spare bedroom while the kids were sleeping or used heroin while they were sleeping??
ha ha sorry I haven’t read the full thread lol!Oh god not this again, he meant use the spare room. I don't think there's any evidence he ever used heroin although of course we don't know for sure
It was the only thing I could do to get any peace or sleep, now I didn’t do the baby wearing but I literally couldn't put my child down with waaaaahhhhh.Does anyone else think that the AP thing was just a fad? I think it's a terrible idea personally! Strapping your child to you until they're two seems to be more for the parent than the child. I think it's so unhealthy to have them totally emotionally reliant on you at that age. It must be horribly confusing when their mother leaves them for the first time. Also, it's such a middle class thing - so many mothers have to go back to work so their kids need to be properly socialised unless it would be traumatic for the child.
It was mentioned earlier in the thread that she said she couldn’t breastfeed due to “thyroid medication”. Of course we now know it was because she was on methadone.My dr gave me tramadol once, it made me so ill the day after I didn’t take it again
She may have been bf. I was fully bf my first daughter. And there’s 1year 1week between her and her younger sibling, and that’s with me going 2 weeks over
All my friends had their children in their late teens to early 20s and it was not thought of as being especially young or anything. What was thought of as being very young was like 15ish.This!! People forget this!! Also her husband was very young. 25 and married with two kids is intense. He probably wanted to think the best of her (re speculation about why he left her alone with their son)... when you’re young and naive and in love you would 100% believe someone who tells you they’ve stopped using, if that’s what happened
I’d say it depends on your demographic. For educated, affluent, middle class types, it’s pretty unusual to be married with a couple of kids at 25.All my friends had their children in their late teens to early 20s and it was not thought of as being especially young or anything. What was thought of as being very young was like 15ish.
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