Yes a lot of the things said about in that documentary were totally OTT, hero worship, and a classic example of re-writing history with rose coloured glasses.Spot on! I wasn’t a teenager in the early 80’s (born in 1974) but I do remember her being exactly what you describe
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She used to have a parenting column In something like Prima magazine when she was still with Bob. It was all PTA’s and summer fetes and making cakes, while looking like she was dressed like Minnie Mouse. All an act, she was not a great mother…
Yeah he started to look really shitty after Paula.But compared to what he used to look like, this is someone in a bad way
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Paula choose men and addictions over her kids, her generational trauma hinder her as a parent and her narcissist and self absorbed behaviour trump being a good parent.I don’t think Paula was a good mum, she probably wanted to be one hence the books and fake family life. Some tea, my Godfather knew her slightly and couldn’t stand her. I have put this on another thread some time ago but couldn’t find it different name. This was in the 80s my godfather was good friends with John Galliano who was seeing Jasper Conran and they were in his company I think it was his studio and they heard a lot of noise and a child screeching mucking around then they heard a woman screaming and shouting swearing and a really hard slap the sort that echos around a room. He said he and John were doing all those OMG faces and sniggering about it being young - then Paula Yates came into view with one of her girls. But he said it occurred to him much later in life that the little girl hadn’t cried despite that slap must have really hurt. Imagine hitting a child like that all the time painting a picture of domestic bliss.
he also said he’d heard that Paula didn’t like Peaches and never took to her and was always very hard on her she sacked a nanny that Peaches loved and slept with.
When I had my first child in 1995 I said I was not going to smack her . Therefore made really clear than any grandparents or uncles/ aunties could not smack her if looking after her . Not that they did that much .. very much on their request . Anyway this was met with loads of … she will be spoilt / she will be a nightmare . And actually she never has been … she is 27 , a gorgeous and kind human being . Anyway the point is .. it was actual unusual not to smack your kids in the mid 90’sGood god what is wrong with these women?
I used to work on the railway and during training we were told that a massive red flag was someone removing their clothes. In a public place it might not be everything but certainly top layers, shoes etc. It is a well known phenomenonWhere did you source this information.
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You are simply stating something repeatedly with no context. I appreciate there maybe some who take their lives and are sound of mind enough to choose to leave the work as they entered it, and those who are using drugs but many many suicides take place in public areas (sea/bridges/woods) and it is not the norm to be naked. So it would be used as part of the investigation into the death as it is not ‘common in all suicides’ at all and plays a relevant role in decision making.
Yep I’m awareI used to work on the railway and during training we were told that a massive red flag was someone removing their clothes. In a public place it might not be everything but certainly top layers, shoes etc. It is a well known phenomenon
I don’t think it was that usual to be smacked in the 90s. I was a kid then and even then I knew hitting kids was wrong.When I had my first child in 1995 I said I was not going to smack her . Therefore made really clear than any grandparents or uncles/ aunties could not smack her if looking after her . Not that they did that much .. very much on their request . Anyway this was met with loads of … she will be spoilt / she will be a nightmare . And actually she never has been … she is 27 , a gorgeous and kind human being . Anyway the point is .. it was actual unusual not to smack your kids in the mid 90’s
I think because I was 17 when I had her the memory of being smacked both at school and at home left such negativity I vowed I would never do that ….and I never have but initially huge criticisms and my parents smacked my sisters kids .. because she did
iirc he was running a bath/about to take a bath/just had a bath hence the nudityIf you go on YouTube, there’s a programme called autopsy which goes into what happened on the days leading up to MH’s death and the night itself. It showed that it was definite suicide. He was desperate! He rang his ex girlfriend and she was on her way to the hotel but was unfortunately too late. Paula didn’t accept he would have left her and TL so made out if was a sex game gone wrong.
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He was clearly off his nut on drugs and booze and it said there was a bath run, so maybe that’s why he was naked!
Yes this is a phenomenon discussed in academia;I used to work on the railway and during training we were told that a massive red flag was someone removing their clothes. In a public place it might not be everything but certainly top layers, shoes etc. It is a well known phenomenon
Yeah I'm 33, it was not okay when I was growing up.I don’t think it was that usual to be smacked in the 90s. I was a kid then and even then I knew hitting kids was wrong.
I was smacked on a few occasions and even as a child I knew that it wasn’t ok or right. I was never smacked by grandparents or relatives, ever. My dad could be violent to my other siblings and I knew this was categorically not OK and it wasn’t hugely common. None of my friends were commonly smacked and I never witnessed it. I remember a family friend smacking their kid and it was pretty shocking. So I don’t think it was that commonplace although it was accepted.
It’s been unlawful to leave a bruise on a child since 1933. Guidance to these laws considers light bruises, cuts, grazes etc to be common assault against a child.
In 2004 it was made unlawful to smack a child unless it was “reasonable punishment” and the law was sufficiently vague to not be proscriptive, but definitely indicative of a shift in attitudes.
I don’t believe hitting a child is ever ok personally and I think even in the 90s it was still viewed as something that should be a last resort - but that’s just my own experience.
Also a personal view but smacking was firmly on its way out in the mid-90s IMO, was no longer “usual” and typically only seen from a non-abusive parent when they had totally lost their tether and were panicking at a kid running out into the road or something extreme, and even then don’t think it went down very well. I would have thought smacking a child in public for being a bit raucous would raise serious eyebrows as it sounds like it did when Paula did it.I don’t think it was that usual to be smacked in the 90s. I was a kid then and even then I knew hitting kids was wrong.
I was smacked on a few occasions and even as a child I knew that it wasn’t ok or right. I was never smacked by grandparents or relatives, ever. My dad could be violent to my other siblings and I knew this was categorically not OK and it wasn’t hugely common. None of my friends were commonly smacked and I never witnessed it. I remember a family friend smacking their kid and it was pretty shocking. So I don’t think it was that commonplace although it was accepted.
It’s been unlawful to leave a bruise on a child since 1933. Guidance to these laws considers light bruises, cuts, grazes etc to be common assault against a child.
In 2004 it was made unlawful to smack a child unless it was “reasonable punishment” and the law was sufficiently vague to not be proscriptive, but definitely indicative of a shift in attitudes.
I don’t believe hitting a child is ever ok personally and I think even in the 90s it was still viewed as something that should be a last resort - but that’s just my own experience.
I think Tiger also resembles BobShe flirted with every guy but with Michael, it was ramped up to 100. The Tube interview isn't as steamy as the BB one but you could clearly see the chemistry. Watching this, I do think it's possible they got together long before BB.
I have to agree about there being a chance he is Pixie's real dad. When they were younger, Tiger and she were very similar in my opinion, and with how much Tiger resembles Michael, I honestly wouldn't bet against it.
You can but that isn't how MH got hisYou can get brain injuries from drug use.
where have you heard that from?I thought Michael was surrounded by photos of Paula when he was found which she argued as evidence of autoerotic asphyxiation rather than suicidal intent.
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