Nurses striking

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Absolutely, i think a lot of the public dont care anyway though tbh. I think a lot want a functioning and accessible free at point of use health service, but don't want to support the people who make that happen. It's nothing without the staff. The government can buy the fanciest equipment and buildings but without the suitably qualified and experienced healthcare staff people are still not going to receive any/an acceptable level of care. I suspect a lot of the public aren't arsed until they need healthcare and then complain about the long waits and level of care.

Also agree about sometimes prolonging life to no one's benefit but just because we can. Doesn't always mean we should.
People don’t support staff because they buy into tabloid balls and aren’t capable of critical thinking.

It’s terrifying how short sighted and ignorant people can be in the age of compulsory education and easily accessible knowledge via the internet. Terrifying.
 
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People don’t support staff because they buy into tabloid balls and aren’t capable of critical thinking.

It’s terrifying how short sighted and ignorant people can be in the age of compulsory education and easily accessible knowledge via the internet. Terrifying.
Why aren’t we critical thinkers if we are not supportive of the strikes?
People can still form their own opinions and there are plenty of media outlets who support the strikes.
Just because we disagree doesn’t mean you are the only one using your brain
 
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Why aren’t we critical thinkers if we are not supportive of the strikes?
People can still form their own opinions and there are plenty of media outlets who support the strikes.
Just because we disagree doesn’t mean you are the only one using your brain
Yes. Blindly supporting an institution isn't critically thinking either.
It's possible to sympathise with nurses and also disagree with strikes. It's possible to support the NHS whilst agreeing that it needs to change. Who knew!!!!
Tabloid papers mainly agree with the strike action don't they?! The front pages today are either about NHS in crisis or prince harry.
 
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Why aren’t we critical thinkers if we are not supportive of the strikes?
People can still form their own opinions and there are plenty of media outlets who support the strikes.
Just because we disagree doesn’t mean you are the only one using your brain
I didn’t say that though.

I’ve yet to meet someone who has given me their reason for being unsupportive of the strikes who 1. Hasn’t quoted daily Mail headlines back at me, 2. Hasn’t financially profited from nurses/staff working in current conditions or 3. Isnt of the short sighted, small-minded opinion that if they have it bad, then others should also settle for having it bad.

Just my experience.

On the bright side, these individuals are in the minority as the majority of the general public support nurses striking so thats reassuring.
 
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I didn’t say that though.

I’ve yet to meet someone who has given me their reason for being unsupportive of the strikes who 1. Hasn’t quoted daily Mail headlines back at me, 2. Hasn’t financially profited from nurses/staff working in current conditions or 3. Isnt of the short sighted, small-minded opinion that if they have it bad, then others should also settle for having it bad.

Just my experience.

On the bright side, these individuals are in the minority as the majority of the general public support nurses striking so thats reassuring.
You did say it, I can quote it if you like. Strangely enough myself and others have posted on this thread giving reasons why we don't support the strikes.

Maybe use some of your brain power to read through the thread. There are some stupid comments on this thread from both sides.

I've heard a lot of people being unsupportive irl maybe people don't voice it to you because of your reaction
 
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Almost half of the people working in the nhs aren't in a medical role but execs.
December is the month Nurses take their holidays. Nhs Xmas crisis anyone?!
Nhs is a devolved business, the nhs bosses run it according to their own rules. So they're admitting they haven't been able to run a business for the past few decades so why haven't they done anything to fix it?
The Conservative gov have given them more money than any other party. What's happened to the billions we keep giving them? Where can we see a breakdown of what it was spent on. (BTW I think all political parties are corrupt and wouldn't vote any of them)
The real nurses are not on strike only a handful of union puppets who will pipe up ad infinitum every year with ever more demands getting more ridiculous every time.
If the NHS stopped wasting money it would easily pay for the rises anyway otherwise a pay rise will come from the British public who are the ones being constantly tit on.
 
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Almost half of the people working in the nhs aren't in a medical role but execs.
im assuming by execs you mean managerial roles? Because the NHS is actually incredibly sort of managers, contrary to those “large cat” daily Mail headlines;


December is the month Nurses take their holidays. Nhs Xmas crisis anyone?!
And? nurses need holidays? It’s a legal entitlement and necessary for a decent standard of care. Most of the U.K. workforce take holidays over Christmas. The issue isn’t that nurses get too many holidays (they don’t). The issue is the lack of staffing.

The Conservative gov have given them more money than any other party. What's happened to the billions we keep giving them? Where can we see a breakdown of what it was spent on.
By googling it.

It’s here;

Obviously devolved areas will have different spending. The individual CCGs will have more specific spending but these have been transitioned into ICSs


And it’s been said multiple times in this thread, throwing money at the NHS won’t fix it or help it if peripheral services aren’t being funded properly, if
long term investments in staff aren’t being made. So how many billion the tories bumped into the NHS is irrelevant, because it was a decision based on optics and politics, not practicalities.

And which political party decided to cut peripheral, public services for over a decade..?

Nhs is a devolved business, the nhs bosses run it according to their own rules. So they're admitting they haven't been able to run a business for the past few decades so why haven't they done anything to fix it?
Wrong wrong and wrong. It’s not a “devolved buisness”, maybe you’re getting confused with the fact there are actually 4 NHSs for each of the countries within the U.K. and healthcare is a devolved matter for Scotland and NI.

they don’t “run it by their own rules” because they report to the department for health and social care, a ministerial department.. where the ministers make decisions. Not the “NHS bosses”
 
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General medical wards are the kiss of death for anyones sanity or wellbeing
The whole model of care never used to be like this…older general medical patients died at the end of their natural lifespan with little intervention and nursing expertise was focused on specialised medical patients and elective surgical patients

The older medical cohort remained in community based care and nobody would have thought of ringing 999 for an 80 year old with a breathing problem

The problem is the unwillingness of folks to face up to mortality, a modicum of patient behaviour and a whole heap of entitlement etc
This just about sums it up for me. I used to work on a kidney dialysis unit. We were treating people in their 70s three times a week. They had no quality of life. One of them said to me “Why don’t you just let me die” heartbreaking 💔
 
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This just about sums it up for me. I used to work on a kidney dialysis unit. We were treating people in their 70s three times a week. They had no quality of life. One of them said to me “Why don’t you just let me die” heartbreaking 💔
Could they not refuse treatment?
 
This just about sums it up for me. I used to work on a kidney dialysis unit. We were treating people in their 70s three times a week. They had no quality of life. One of them said to me “Why don’t you just let me die” heartbreaking 💔
It’s sad so many don’t realise that they can stop and we don’t present this as an option until it’s too late. The worst are the transfusion dependent haematology patients, such a miserable existence.
 
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I teach Egnlish as a foreign language and in another country I taught a lot of doctors/nurses, all of whom weer totally in favour of voluntary euthenasia, getting to the end just seems awful, we let our pets go in peace yet not our relatives
 
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I teach Egnlish as a foreign language and in another country I taught a lot of doctors/nurses, all of whom weer totally in favour of voluntary euthenasia, getting to the end just seems awful, we let our pets go in peace yet not our relatives
I always say this - we are much kinder to our dogs than we are to ourselves. Its soo complex though.
 
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Yeah I absolutely don't want to be hanging in there bed bound, reliant on medicine and machines with no quality of life. Sadly often the families wishes override those of the patient, or the patient is no longer in a place to make a decision. Not sure of the solution though sadly.

Edit to add: Rishi has said fixing the NHS is a priority. One of the key ways from what's been reported is limiting strike action, no not by listening to unions and staff, but by taking steps to make it illegal ffs. Honestly I love nursing, but I am glad I left when the government show such contempt towards us and don't give a hoot about the NHS and the fact hundreds of people are needlessly dying a week. I'd happily return though if things improve.
 
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Yeah I absolutely don't want to be hanging in there bed bound, reliant on medicine and machines with no quality of life. Sadly often the families wishes override those of the patient, or the patient is no longer in a place to make a decision. Not sure of the solution though sadly.

Edit to add: Rishi has said fixing the NHS is a priority. One of the key ways from what's been reported is limiting strike action, no not by listening to unions and staff, but by taking steps to make it illegal ffs. Honestly I love nursing, but I am glad I left when the government show such contempt towards us and don't give a hoot about the NHS and the fact hundreds of people are needlessly dying a week. I'd happily return though if things improve.
Preventing the withdrawal of labour is inhumane…it turns employees into slaves

They are already effectively outsourcing the provision of labour to staff agencies, I don’t understand why they don’t just pay staff the money in the first place
 
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I completely agree as a doctor. I often look around and wonder why the feck are we putting 90 year olds through invasive procedures, scanning to look for cancers, round after round of antibiotics, I’ve even seen critical care getting called to see frail elderly patients for ?HDU/ICU. I do feel this is worse since COVID, I think partially because we cannot give good basic care anymore we try to do as much as possible even when we shouldn’t. Some of it is definitely unrealistic expectations also. But I think we are a victim of our own success in being able to extend peoples lives but also extend the period of time they spend unwell.
The hospital I work at operated on a 96 year old, they gave her a new hip.
She hadn’t walked a single step in 6 years.

She died 4 weeks later.
(I believe from the trauma of it all)

The family wanted to try and see if she could walk again.
 
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The hospital I work at operated on a 96 year old, they gave her a new hip.
She hadn’t walked a single step in 6 years.

She died 4 weeks later.
(I believe from the trauma of it all)

The family wanted to try and see if she could walk again.
I know an 80 something year old who's on the waiting list for a shoulder replacement. I also know a 33 year old mother who is having to pay £750 a month towards her cancer treatment because the NHS doesn't fund the medication she needs.
Make it make sense.

The NHS definitely needs an overhaul and I think we need to be looking at the many other countries that offer free health care and do something similar
 
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I know an 80 something year old who's on the waiting list for a shoulder replacement. I also know a 33 year old mother who is having to pay £750 a month towards her cancer treatment because the NHS doesn't fund the medication she needs.
Make it make sense.

The NHS definitely needs an overhaul and I think we need to be looking at the many other countries that offer free health care and do something similar
It literally makes 0 sense does it. Kids with cancer needing money for new treatment but they’ll give a 95 year old chemotherapy for free. I don’t mean to sound harsh but it’s like a double edged sword
 
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The hospital I work at operated on a 96 year old, they gave her a new hip.
She hadn’t walked a single step in 6 years.

She died 4 weeks later.
(I believe from the trauma of it all)

The family wanted to try and see if she could walk again.
That's really sad :( I am dual trained but have worked in paeds for most of my career as stuff like this was just overwhelming in adult. Honestly I do think most patients themselves would choose to be made comfortable for the rest of their life rather than having surgery like this or chemo etc but don't want to upset their families and of course doctors are limited in many ways in their decisions. One of the consultants I used to work with said it was madness and that when he started his career it wasn't this way. People were able to have a comfortable and dignified end without the relentless need for intervention just because we can.
 
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I know an 80 something year old who's on the waiting list for a shoulder replacement. I also know a 33 year old mother who is having to pay £750 a month towards her cancer treatment because the NHS doesn't fund the medication she needs.
Make it make sense.

The NHS definitely needs an overhaul and I think we need to be looking at the many other countries that offer free health care and do something similar
Well for a start my FIL had a shoulder replacement late in his 70’s and he is doing great. He’s healthy and active. So why shouldn’t older people be entitled to have these operations?
Not all the elderly are “old” and dying or decrepit.
I find this sort of idle opinion incredibly insulting
 
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