I think there have definitely been a few posts which make nurses sound like they are the worst off and deserve the most though and that sort of attitude understandably doesn't receive good reactions. We've also really have been hearing about how nurses have it bad and deserve more frequently since COVID, and even before then NHS staff would be praised highly, so it's easy to see how everything is getting a bit messed up when everyone is facing difficulty
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I literally said it wasn't a race to the bottom.
Nurses are striking for their own payrise and their own working conditions. It won't change anything for anyone else. But what would help everyone is affordable childcare, affordable housing, less hs2 more affordable public transport. So strike for that then everyone will be behind you... And you'll effectively have a payrise as everything will be affordable.
but… those things aren’t untrue. Pointing out how the specific challenges this specific profession has faced on a thread about their specific strike.. isn’t really the same thing as saying “only nurses deserve a pay rise” or “no other profession has it as hard as nurses do”
Just from what I’ve seen on social media it’s becoming a race to the bottom on both sides tbf. Nurses complaining about student debt, which everyone has, but not every student receives a bursary of 5k per year ontop of the finance, can be even more if a rarer sector or nursing and if you have children. The comments such as “why do I qualify for universal credit” plenty of people do, I think it’s up to 30k a year you can get a UC top up
I’m not of the “well people are on less so deal with it” mindset because that’s not how work and society works. But I have to admit it must be frustrating for those who are banned from striking or work for say an agency where they can just be ducked off at the click of their fingers, listening to people complaining about earning £33k a year when some might not even be on half of that
I’m not of the “well people are on less so deal with it” mindset because that’s not how work and society works. But I have to admit it must be frustrating for those who are banned from striking or work for say an agency where they can just be ducked off at the click of their fingers, listening to people complaining about earning £33k a year when some might not even be on half of that
my view is, the government should be addressing all those things. And they have the money, power and ability to. It’s the inclination that’s lacking.
better working conditions for nurses won’t, for example, detract from better housing or childcare.
The key is that the attitudes that come across seem to very elitist to the nursing profession and no one else. There's also plenty of people who have made perfectly reasonable comments that don't come off as having this attitude that they are better and deserve more
Unfortunately the impression lastsAgree completely. The government don’t give two people about anything that’s not HS2 or putting a mars bar on their expenses list.
I wish someone would just come in and sort the lot of the tit out. Bring back on the job training etc. we could have an absolutely huge cohort of potential nursing staff working away in other roles who can’t make it onto the degree programme because they got a D in maths 12 years ago. It’s just ludicrous
I agree with the government bit. So those that can strike could strike for these things. But they aren't. They are striking for their own personal payrise. In an ideal world that is how society should work.
nurses can’t strike for things outside their role or profession though. A nursing union can’t strike for the government to do more to address a housing crisis for example, that’s totally outside their remit and not at all the point of a union.
Unions exist to protect the interests and rights of a body of workers, not to promote political or social causes. So they can’t strike for anything other than their collective interest.
well… it’s a democracy. They are voted in. It’s up to the electorate to sort it out…. But maybe I shouldn’t mention that, that’s probably a whole other can of worms
As a doctor or nurse, per your comment, you are paid to do a job the same as anyone else in paid employment is. Why should nurses go on strike to basically blackmail the “snakey government” into giving them more money? Why can’t they live on their already decent salaries? Also, I’m not particularly big on respecting people who join a profession to care for the vulnerable, only to put those very same people at risk by striking. Hence, of course morals and ethics come into it!
About student loans, I get just under £31k a year, well more due to the amount of overtime I do but that’s my basic wage. Last month I basically got no overtime pay (30mins only) and I only got £4 taken off me for my student loan. So I assume nurses payment is similar as I get a similar wage to them? I barely notice the student loan payments and I know I’ll never fully pay it off. So does the student loan actually affect nurses that badly?
It depends on when you studied. I graduated in 2010 and pay 9% of anything I earn over a certain amount. I'm also on 31k ish and on a normal month I pay around £60. When I get a bonus it's effectively taxed at 50% when you factor in PAYE, NI and loan.
We all contribute towards public sector pay and the NHS through general taxation. The NHS isn't a charity and it shouldn't be treated as such.
People on this thread are way to sensitive. Saying nursing is a skilled profession is not the same as saying anyone else is thick as pig tit.
Again, we're back to "I can't strike so no one else should be able to" which is exactly what the government wants. Finger pointing at the lowest level saves them a job.
Are prison officer salaries set by the independent pay review body?
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People are minterpreting highly skilled to mean hard work. Skilled jobs just mean specific skill sets which take longer to train in. For example it takes a time to train as a surgeon/engineer/electrician versus a retail or food service position where training is largely much quicker. All jobs are hard just in different ways.
Skilled workers are just more difficult and more expensive to replace because it takes longer to accumulate the skills needed.
the sheer amount of wilful misinterpretation on this thread is staggering. Nobody said only nurses deserve better pay or that others are thick as pig tit for gods sake. Get a bleeping grip and unionise if you want to be able to strike. It’s not NHS workers problem that other groups are not unionised. It literally is not their bleeping problem.
At the end of the day, we need nurses. Just like we need cleaners, train drivers etc. Something has to be done about The staffing crisis we have in nursing and the quickest fix is a pay rise. I’m not a nurse, not sure why people think I am, I haven’t said I am.
oh I knew about it depending when you studied but I was more talking about people saying they should start paying them again. They’d be on the same repayment plan as I am on, so was comparing it to myself saying that on my wage (similar to nurses) I don’t notice it as it’s not much
The fact you think it's an 11% pay rise just shows you know nothing.
But… it’s a thread about the nurses strike…
not a “everyone is facing difficulty” thread.
a thread about nurses, in which inevitably people discuss why nurses are striking.
why on Earth would anyone interpret this as somehow being sympathetic to nurses more than others? Or thinking nurses deserve a pay rise and no one else does…? That’s illogical?
why would anyone come on a thread about a nurses strike and then feel indignant that we aren’t discussing how bad everyone else has it?!
no disrespect intended but your post shows a lot of ignorance about how the NHS operates.
1. why is a degree negative? Why get rid of that? It professionalises nursing and ensures appropriate, standardised training.
2. Big bosses/pen pushers - unpopular but, organisations need “big bosses”, they need corporate roles to function. You don’t expect nurses to fill out procurement forms for food for example? Or expect nurses to make decisions like financial budgeting and forecasting? When procuring outside services, should nurses be the ones negotiating with organisations to get favourable deals?
3. convalescent homes exist, they just aren’t called that.
4. You’ve misunderstood the 11% figure and what it means. Taken from the gov.uk Website:
“For the lowest paid this represents an uplift of 11.3%, and delivers an average uplift of 7.5%.”
freeing up of beds isn’t so much a hospital problem, it’s a wider public services problem.
for example, doctors can’t release elderly patients until they are sure there’s been an assessment done on their home if they need one. But cuts to social services means this can take a long time to happen, so they stay in a hospital bed which costs what, £600 a night?
pumping money into the NHS will only go so far if it isn’t being invested into peripheral services.
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