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Ofcourse, you've already told us how much money you make. We've also asked if you could make a contribution to the nurses but you've been very quiet.
Have you learned critical thinking skills yet? I'm still waiting for you to make some clear concise points without hurling insults and calling people names for disagreeing with you
Can’t love this enough!!!
I have seen this said a bit but like is it even true? Has anyone outright died because the nurses were striking?
The whole 'people are missing vital surgeries' excuse won't really work imo because vital surgeries constantly seem to be delayed by other problems in the NHS anyway
Then we can get to all those moral problems of how striking if successful could save more lives too
“Everyone else is doing tit and accepting it so why are this lot asking for better?”
The trouble is, after over a decade of cuts in the public sector the chickens are coming home to roost.
So many of our vital services have been in fire fighting mode for so long, is hard to switch to forward thinking risk planning.
It’s not just the public sector - barristers have been impacted. Young criminal barristers basically work less than minimum wage. None of them want to go into criminal law because it’s so poorly paid. Why is it so poorly paid? Because of cuts to legal aid.
Who got the masses all riled about about legal aid? The daily effing Mail and tabloid press.
Legal aid doesn’t exist to protect criminals, it exists to ensure fair and safe trials can happen, which means criminals are put behind bars and punished. Removing it has served as a gift to criminals and devastating for those whose are innocent.
less barristers means trials become postponed and delayed, meaning people are free to continue criminality, free to evade justice and closes it off as a career to anyone who isn’t well off. And since so many criminal judges in the Supreme Court have had to have done a stint in criminal law, we are effectively removing a route for working class, aspirational lawyers into one of the UK’s most important and influential roles - a judge. The fact that barristers who, as a profession have rarely ever gone on strike, should be a real wake up call to those saying we are in the “grip of socialism” and the pesky public sector is just being greedy. It’s not about greed at all.
The daily Mail and tabloid press don’t provide decent, well balanced news. The aim for clicks and sales. They manipulate your emotions, they don’t engage your mind. By all means, read if you want a different perspective or a bit of silly fun but for the love of good, read a decent newspaper to counterbalance it and don’t parrot headlines like they are fact.
So many of our vital services have been in fire fighting mode for so long, is hard to switch to forward thinking risk planning.
It’s not just the public sector - barristers have been impacted. Young criminal barristers basically work less than minimum wage. None of them want to go into criminal law because it’s so poorly paid. Why is it so poorly paid? Because of cuts to legal aid.
Who got the masses all riled about about legal aid? The daily effing Mail and tabloid press.
Legal aid doesn’t exist to protect criminals, it exists to ensure fair and safe trials can happen, which means criminals are put behind bars and punished. Removing it has served as a gift to criminals and devastating for those whose are innocent.
less barristers means trials become postponed and delayed, meaning people are free to continue criminality, free to evade justice and closes it off as a career to anyone who isn’t well off. And since so many criminal judges in the Supreme Court have had to have done a stint in criminal law, we are effectively removing a route for working class, aspirational lawyers into one of the UK’s most important and influential roles - a judge. The fact that barristers who, as a profession have rarely ever gone on strike, should be a real wake up call to those saying we are in the “grip of socialism” and the pesky public sector is just being greedy. It’s not about greed at all.
The daily Mail and tabloid press don’t provide decent, well balanced news. The aim for clicks and sales. They manipulate your emotions, they don’t engage your mind. By all means, read if you want a different perspective or a bit of silly fun but for the love of good, read a decent newspaper to counterbalance it and don’t parrot headlines like they are fact.
I don't think anyone begrudes nurses a fair payrise. But 5 per cent over inflation simply isn't fair imo. Just because they "work hard". Said it once and I'll say it again... Everyone works hard.
I'm pretty sure the government plan is to sack off the British nurses and get the ones from oversees in. They're unfortunately just falling into their hand. They will leave, they will be replaced.
the union will make a higher request because they know they’ll have to make concessions. They’ll have an idea of what they think is acceptable and it’ll be lower… but they’d look unreasonable and stubborn if they went straight in with their desired figure and didn’t budge.
I understand that but that's what has caused a lot of divided opinions. It's simply too high. And you've got people actually using food banks and not earning 33k paying for it. It's ridiculous to think you'd get people on side even with the goodwill people naturally have toward the NHS.
No one’s said nurses etc aren’t underpaid for what they do. My main issue is I’m absolutely sick of hearing how people can’t live on £33k per year when they “work hard and put up with abuse” and the only rhetoric is that they’re “highly skilled”
So is everyone who isn’t a nurse thick as pig tit and just floating through life then? No. There are plenty of examples of jobs that are gruelling, filled with abuse and unsafe staff levels that can’t strike, that do have to live on less than 30k. Prison officers being one of them.
So is everyone who isn’t a nurse thick as pig tit and just floating through life then? No. There are plenty of examples of jobs that are gruelling, filled with abuse and unsafe staff levels that can’t strike, that do have to live on less than 30k. Prison officers being one of them.
1. like I said, the higher the ask the more leverage they have, more room for negotiation. Since most of the public sector has barely had rises in line with inflation for the best part of a decade, im not sure why this would be considered “too high” really.
2. People using food banks has nothing to do with nurses striking though. People going to food banks and lower earners aren’t being asked to take a cut to pay nurses. The RCN are basically asking the government to tax the wealthy and stop hoarding wealth at the top (and don’t buy the rhetoric,there is most definitely a lot of wealth being hoarded)
3. I would disagree that they’ll lose public goodwill. They are striking alongside a lot of other unions. Nurses in general as a profession enjoy (consistent) good will. When you’ve got XYZ unions striking it looks less and less like a union problem and more and more like a government one, so they are really in a pretty strong position in leveraging public opinion. Though, although I’m sure public opinion is something they’d like, the court of public opinion isn’t sitting in on these negotiations.
then we should expect/encourage/support them to also strike, not demand that nurses as a profession lower and accept the crappy standards?!
Prison officers are banned from striking, alongside the police and a few others I believe
Right. I want to rant a little. I’ve worked in the NHS for over a decade and honestly it’s a tit show. However, the thing I really have an issue with is this narrative that nurses or doctors OWE the general public their services for whatever pay they receive. All the stupid Daily Mail commenters harping on about ‘how heartless it is to strike and leave patients dying’. No, it bleeping isn’t the responsibility of nurses or doctors to give their lives up for patients. It’s not heartless to want to be paid a decent amount for a job that honestly is gruelling and largely thankless. Surely, the fact that the thought of not having nurses or doctors for one day at work is so catastrophic should demonstrate how important their jobs are and in itself justify adequate pay. At the end of the day it’s still a job and people do jobs for money to be able to afford to live not out of the goodness of their hearts, it’s not charity work. I hate the emotional blackmail, like honestly duck off. Anyway, I genuinely wish I’d gone into finance or worked for a bank. I’m ragey tonight.
The country is an absolute state and everyone is finding it tough. But we're expected to support one group and encourage the government to give them a payrise. So great one group of people are sorted. What about the others? Those that can strike could strike for everyone. Demand changes to childcare. Demand changes to housing. Demand the tax loopholes are closed and people are taxed correctly. Then everyone benefits and we all move forward. We've heard lots about strikes have paved the way for maternity pay, annual leave etc but this nurses strike benefits nurses. That's it.
There has been lots on this thread that no one should settle for tit and it's not a race to the bottom all of which I agree with... But I can't get on board with supporting one group of people whilst the rest languish. The cost of living crisis effects us all (apart from one person on this thread who is super rich and earns more than the king).
People ... Well me... Are a bit tired of being preached too about how hard life is for nurses and how amazing them are. It does start to grate and I make no apologies for being annoyed by it all.
There has been lots on this thread that no one should settle for tit and it's not a race to the bottom all of which I agree with... But I can't get on board with supporting one group of people whilst the rest languish. The cost of living crisis effects us all (apart from one person on this thread who is super rich and earns more than the king).
People ... Well me... Are a bit tired of being preached too about how hard life is for nurses and how amazing them are. It does start to grate and I make no apologies for being annoyed by it all.
See this. You are paid a decent amount. A 30k salary isn't a pittance.
its not a race to the bottom though. We should all collectively be asking for more if we are in an industry that’s a tit sow and underpaid for the work done.
the nurses striking doesn’t take away from another group. The opposite. It paves the way and lends credence to other strikes.
it’s not “supporting one group while the rest languishes” that’s such a crab-in-a-bucket mentality. It’s supporting one group in achieving better conditions and doing so, supporting a collective right that we should all have, to better conditions.
showing support to the nurses demonstrates support to other unions and their fights.
I don’t agree with the pointing the finger of “but people will die” unfortunately people die regardless and instead of playing the blame game the government need to do something before the whole country ends up in the toilet.
I’m fed up of the notion that NHS staff are always the worst off, they do deserve a pay rise, but we all as a collective also deserve affordable housing, childcare, a wider variation of training options to improve job prosperity. Like a previous poster said, this strike is to benefit nurses and nurses only.
Everyone has been hit by the state of the country, but it is wearing thin that the only people deemed worthy of a pay rise are the ones who aren’t really on low income as far as figures go. It’s a tit time for everyone and hopefully it sorts itself out soon
I’m fed up of the notion that NHS staff are always the worst off, they do deserve a pay rise, but we all as a collective also deserve affordable housing, childcare, a wider variation of training options to improve job prosperity. Like a previous poster said, this strike is to benefit nurses and nurses only.
Everyone has been hit by the state of the country, but it is wearing thin that the only people deemed worthy of a pay rise are the ones who aren’t really on low income as far as figures go. It’s a tit time for everyone and hopefully it sorts itself out soon
they are banned from striking but they have other means of protest at their disposal. My point still stands - it shouldn’t be a race to the bottom. Better conditions for nurses will only empower and give leverage to other sectors who are being mistreated.
This comment is so uneducated and ridiculous. Oh so I trained to be a doctor or nurse now I OWE you my ‘labour’ for whatever price our snakey government think is adequate. And if I decide to make a stand you won’t respect me?! The audacity of you to bring morals and ethics into this.
no one thinks the NHS staff are the worst off, but we can recognise they have it bad.
Not a single person on this thread has suggested only nurses are deserving of a pay rise.