I remember the producers saying he only ever agreed to one series. I smell bullshit
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I heard on Sky news that the report was made by a drama school in London who asked him to visit to talk to the students, however he was caught out trying to persuade a class to strip off to "enact getting ready for bed" as some sort of a test of their talents. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
After that he was never invited back to mentor their students again, unsurprisingly under the circumstances, but this was more than five years ago and yet they kept schtum despite being fully aware of it;
I hear you. Like most of us I have my own me too story, more than one actually, I fall into the "why didn't she go to the police" category. I grew up in a society that told me loud and clearly that I wouldn't be believed. I didn't tell my family either, I've always only wanted to protect them from that hurt. There are so many reasons victims don't do all of the things society tells us we should...if only it were that simple eh? Abuse and recovery from it is messy, trauma takes time to process. It's not as simple as those who haven't been through it would like to think, they should just be really really grateful that don't get it and instead should ask victims how they can help.
The only thing worse than the abuse itself would have been being forced to relive every moment of it over and over again in front of strangers and family members. People totally underestimate how traumatic that process is for victims and with such a miniscule conviction rate it's really no wonder why victims choose not to put themselves through it. Not to mention having to answer to people who without video evidence and eye witnesses have already decided there isn't enough hard solid proof and the beat goes on....
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Remember the Taylor Swift trial with that DJ who groped her? He had the absolute audacity to try and sue her first and his defence team’s questions to Taylor during the trial were disgusting! That’s exactly the sort of crap us women have to deal with in these situations.
So I’ve been thinking of this all day, my earlier posts were purely from a legal perspective as when you’re faced with a client like this there’s lots of difficult questions you need to ask. I’d be interested to read the 29 page letter his lawyer wrote, but personally it’s just so frustrating. He seemed to be doing so much for diversity and showing young black men that anything is achievable. And his actions have damaged all that which is so sad and completely unnecessary too! I’ve read and re read the article and I can totally relate to some of the things written. If they’re false ie. he can prove it via messages, phone calls, hard evidence then I suppose time will tell but if they’re true... there’s so many people high up in many professions like this. One female I met at a ball was a partner of someone who worked for the company and was asked in front of everyone by a partner “are you a prostitute escorting this man?” She answered no I’m a ballet dancer. So from a legal perspective I sadly think the article won’t help the victims if they’re looking for any convictions, but personally I have met men like this and I’m just really sad it turned out that with a beautiful wife and three kids he turned out to be one of them. Also though this isn’t America the system here is very different. And yes it’s so so hard to “prove” and harrowing for victims especially in a crown court.
Sorry to hear this happened to you. Speak to the union they will take on "deathbed converts" I was not in a union and had a really bad experience and they took me on as long as I joined that day.Sadly not in a union. I learnt my lesson there.
He's disgusting and I still have to pass him and get emails from him.
It took me a year or so to get over shaking when I thought or saw him. I'd burst into tears at home.
To know this man has a vile reputation and is still employed and protected is the most upsetting part.
I've said he's dangerous, I've said he will do this again and it will be worse next time.
I'm so bleeping angry now I nearly confronted him at work because he'd come to our area of work where he's banned.
It took everything I had not to chase him and tell him in front of everyone that he is banned because he's a predator
Hence HR saying I need counselling to manage my emotions.
I consider myself pretty tough and it took everything to make the complaint and go through the procedures and it nearly broke me.
I absolutely and totally see how these men get away with it.
And it won't just be 20 women. You can easily times that by 3 or 4. I'd say it's rare to come forward because it's such a complex situation and there are limited help in place for these situations.
Maybe I will go to the police ,just to chat to them
Take care.
Sickening post. Have a word with yourself.Another pervert using His Power over women to get what he wants from them
How long before Katie Price pops up to claim he tried it with her too? Trouble is that he wouldn't need to try at all with that one and everybody knows it
Just going off piste slightly but I agree with the poster who says that the whole industry needs looking at.
Ihave grave concerns about what goes on at drama schools in this country. They are basically unregulated and the students often accept situations simply because they are so grateful to be there. My d has direct experience of 3 different drama schools and in each one things were allowed to happen that were just horrifying. We’re talking sexual harassment perpetrated by both staff and students ( male and female), bullying overt and psychological, humiliation.Mental health problems are rife anorexia, bulimia anxiety. Few complain .
I do feel that this is possibly where we should start addressing some of the issues thrown up by NC and his vile antics.Early in their training, Young performers see too many people getting away with things .
Ihave grave concerns about what goes on at drama schools in this country. They are basically unregulated and the students often accept situations simply because they are so grateful to be there. My d has direct experience of 3 different drama schools and in each one things were allowed to happen that were just horrifying. We’re talking sexual harassment perpetrated by both staff and students ( male and female), bullying overt and psychological, humiliation.Mental health problems are rife anorexia, bulimia anxiety. Few complain .
I do feel that this is possibly where we should start addressing some of the issues thrown up by NC and his vile antics.Early in their training, Young performers see too many people getting away with things .
The comments I’ve read by men online about this is horrendous. Sometime I hate being a woman.
Ah yes. The DW set/production in Cardiff was known to be a pretty toxic workplace right from the off, as per its own first season lead. Christopher Ecclestone, who is on record as having quit because of the culture of bullying from the top down - and here's what should tell you something about how incestuous the industry is - was effectively blackballed in the UK for some years afterward for doing so and putting the BBC in a difficult position. The fish, as is often noted, rots from the head. As showrunner and overall Big Cheese, the atmosphere and overall standard of behaviour allowed on his set began and ended with RTD.
Very possibly RTD as a gay man may hace enjoyed John Barrowman's (a good looking gay man) propensity for indecent exposure, and his apparent love of getting his knob out and touching people with it non-consensually. Certainly RTD as showrunner did not put a stop to this behaviour, , or order cast not to talk publicly about this behaviour, suggesting RTD did not find this behaviour wrong. The implication when I heard this story discussed uears ago was that you would be considered a prude or a killjoy on that set if you did have a problem with Barrowman exposing himself an draping his cock on you without consent or warning (which again, is sexual assault in the real world and tells you a lot about the entertainment world that apparently it wasn't treated that way), because apparently it's supposed to be totally cool if a homosexual man does it as opposed to a straight man. For the record, I don't care which sex you want to duck, I am disgusted by any man who does this and consider it outright sex offender stuff.
As noted upthread, Clarke's own poor sexual behaviour was handled NOT by RTD firing Clarke or putting him on strict orders to behave or else, but by asking the potential victims of his behaviour (production staff and hotel workers) not to 'accept his advances or encourage his behaviour' ... which is the most basic, sly form of both not wanting to handle a problem and subtle victim blaming. Oh, Noel Clarke groped you or harassed you for sex? Did you encourage it, dear? Which century are we living in, again?
I just want to point out how difficult it was for anyone to get UK police to even LOOK at Ian Watkins.You're failing to understand just how difficult it is to "absolutely solidly prove it to be true"You're showing yourself as someone who has no understanding of how difficult it is to get a conviction on these cases, how much the system already favours the predator, notice how your putting the victims on trial instead of the criminal, the current system was written by men, for men and until that changes this is the only was to expose these predators and protect other women from them. Stop contributing to rape culture. If the best way to get protection was to go to the police, women would do that, you don't know that they haven't, maybe they have and were told there was insufficient evidence. If you're teaching your son about consent you really don't need to be worrying about him being falsely accused because of the way the world is headed.....however the risk to your daughter is very real because of how the way the world currently is, that is a legitimate worry. Your son has a higher chance of being struck by lightning.
Ian Watkins' propensity for underage sex, child sex abuse imagery collection and creation and outright baby rape was reported to the police by an ex-partner multiple times, the poor woman went back again and again over the course of four or five YEARS to report him for having child abuse material on his computers and what happened?
Nothing.
For years, she was treated as an ex with a grudge and police failed to investigate Watkins. After all, he was a big old male STAH, and women? Exes? Clearly are not to be trusted.
Now, remember, these are the same police who will knock down your door or say 'we have to investigate every complaint' in the case of say, certain mean tweets, which in reality hurt nothing but a few feelings. People have been harassed over a bleeping limerick that peeved a trans activist, ffs.
Remember, what Watkins was being reported for was the most serious form of sexual offences possible. Yet those who reported him were essentially laughed out of the police station for years, all the while allowing Watkins to keep offending against children. Multiple police officers from multiple forces have now been investigated over this total lack of professionalism and integrity in this case of Ian Watkins.
Ian Watkins: Inquiry investigating eighth officer - BBC News
Ian Watkins child abuse: South Wales Police criticised - BBC News
Because the fact is that some women are not worthy of believing enough to start a legal investigation to get at the truth when the accused enjoys a certain level of celebrity status which can sometimes function as a shield both inside and outside the industry. Bear in mind Watkins; ex had actual hard evidence of Watkins desire to rape children (texts from him stating such) and the police refused to look at it.
The fact is, with certain people who commit offences, you need some level of evidence gathering via proper investigative methods (as opposed to a tabloid smear campaign), such as Ronan Farrow's in the case of Harvey Weinstein, to even begin a legal approach with any chance of success. Getting witnesses to go on the record legally (which will put you in danger of libel proceedings if you can be proven to be lying btw) can result in a dossier that can be handed to the correct authority to force them to do their jobs.
In Clarke's case, he may or may not be proven legally to have done things worthy of prosecution, or rather the CPS may or may not decide there is evidence enough to meet the prosecutorial standard. Much of what he's accused of isn't even a criminal offence (workplace bullying), but a pattern of behaviour that he's been getting away with for years that the industry has zero mechanisms to deal with and it's no bad thing if that is coming out given there's apparently zero recourse within the industry.
If the police are now going to look seriously at the parts of the story where actual criminal behaviour IS alleged (basically the groping, the collecting of naked images of women without consent and likely, some kind of revenge porn if he is found to have distributed or shared those images) well, that's not a bad thing in itself. What is a bad thing is that it takes a public journalistic investigation collating multiple instances of the same behaviour for this kind of stuff to even have chance of being taken seriously legally.
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Not sure if this was previously mentioned. I did wonder if Noel also wrote/directed Viewpoint.
catherine T was speaking on this morning on Tuesday about the show and remarked about all the different variety of sex scenes she had to do to find only one small clip was shown. It was said light hearted but it made me wonder if Noel was behind that
catherine T was speaking on this morning on Tuesday about the show and remarked about all the different variety of sex scenes she had to do to find only one small clip was shown. It was said light hearted but it made me wonder if Noel was behind that
May have been he was on a series by series contract instead of locked in from the off for multiple series as nobody really knew if Who could be successfully revived long-term at that point. It's quite easy to lie by omission to smooth things over, of yes, Chris was only signed for one series, let's not mention to fact he had the option for more but walked after finding the set utterly noxious though!
Report to the police
He might have had influence behind the scenes but he was not credited for anything other than acting,
I hate to say this because I really agree with your overall view that Russel T Davis has a lot of explaining to do, but this comment is just so wrong.
Edited to add. However I really appreciate the rest of your post, and I think what you said about how it shows a pattern of this kind of behaviour is so important.
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I’m so saddened by this and he’s from Grenada kmt ANYWAY, I feel that his career is finished I believe the allegations, Jamie Winstone’s statement was it for me (sorry) , it’s kind of strange looking back though, in Kidulthood I think the character ‘Sam’ was really just Noel Clarke, the bullying, how he was with ‘Claire’ then in Adulthood you see ‘Sam’ try and redeem himself then all that Fukry with Adam Deacon. He may have a dossier of allegations going back beyond 2004, maybe the police have to build that concrete case......
His parents are from Trinidad but he was born in London. It seems his mother has commented on recent happenings. Said he’s not at home and she’s still proud of him.
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Go read about her then you'll know the truth.
Well the Daily Fail have the footage of that so-called prank he played Jahanna James, trying to get her to give Jason Maza a golden shower for an allergic reaction. Jesus, and wonder why I despair over the human race most days. Karma just finish this asshole and relegate him to the dustbin of history. Why is it so hard to treat others with respect and dignity?
Jesus, and wonder why I despair over the human race most days. Karma just finish this asshole and relegate him to the dustbin of history. Why is it so hard to treat others with respect and dignity?