I know right? It's so completely irrelevant
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Yes there may be dick pics- what was the conversation leading up to that? Was that shown? I personally can’t make decisions on things without two sides to a story! Just because he’s a man I’m supposed to now think he’s a predator?
You cannot just make an absolute decision on the truth based on one article in the guardian.
I’m not saying the women are lying, far from it, I’m saying this is a one sided article.
Btw- I’ve seen his tweets, he sounds like a right arse. However I’m not going to brand him as some sexual predator without it ever being fully proven?!
You cannot just make an absolute decision on the truth based on one article in the guardian.
I’m not saying the women are lying, far from it, I’m saying this is a one sided article.
Btw- I’ve seen his tweets, he sounds like a right arse. However I’m not going to brand him as some sexual predator without it ever being fully proven?!
Have you read the guardian article?
Yes I have.
Don’t assume because I don’t agree with trial by media that I haven’t read the article.
Don’t assume because I don’t agree with trial by media that I haven’t read the article.
You still haven’t told me who needs to involve the police @Lollypop29 ?
So 20 women with similar stories. What is enough evidence? Out of interest.
The reality is, why would 20 women separately accuse him once they find out that BAFTA were planning to honour him? Why on earth would they pick on him?
Can’t walk a woman home? No trial by media opinion.? The statistics showing how many successful convictions for sexual violence against women there are proves women very seldom get justice in any other way
It was a genuine question. Calm down.
As I've already said. This happened to me at work by a colleague. I went through the right channels and was utterly let down and left in limbo. Much like these women coming forward.
Why shouldn't I tell a journalist my story? Why should I have to keep quiet? Yes I can go to the police, they'll do very little but why shouldn't these women speak to the guardian?
Why shouldn't I tell a journalist my story? Why should I have to keep quiet? Yes I can go to the police, they'll do very little but why shouldn't these women speak to the guardian?
I really hope you don't work in HR or as a manager or a position of trustYes and genuinely I answered it?
I have said several times there is no smoke without fire.
I am not saying he’s innocent, I’m not saying they’re lying.
I am saying it’s not fair to be guilty until proven innocent, that’s my feeling on the situation. It’s trial by media.
I am not saying he’s innocent, I’m not saying they’re lying.
I am saying it’s not fair to be guilty until proven innocent, that’s my feeling on the situation. It’s trial by media.
Why is that? Because I think two sides of the story should be listened to and an investigation should be done before making a decision?
The journalists did a pretty thorough investigation.
You have the patience of a saint @Inforapenny
What is that supposed to mean? Because I’m a woman and I don’t agree with cancel culture and a social media trial that I’m somehow in the wrong?
How many times do I have to say this...
I’ve never said the women are lying.
I’ve not said I think he’s innocent.
There’s no smoke without fire.
How many times do I have to say this...
I’ve never said the women are lying.
I’ve not said I think he’s innocent.
There’s no smoke without fire.
They did. And now a full investigation from both sides should be done.
@Lollypop29 Why exactly do you need to hear Noel’s side of the story so badly for? It’s pretty clear what he’s done and has done for many years, there’s nothing that can justify it, there’s no excuses, what exactly are you expecting? I feel like you just want to hold the women accountable in some way, almost like they must’ve done something or said something to cause him do what he’s done?
I know it’s not the same as the women’s accounts, but in a way, Noel’s side of the story has been given, through his lawyers‘ comments in the Guardian article.
just to clarify because I can see how what I wrote might be misunderstood, I don’t think what Barrowman did or that sort of behaviour is ever acceptable. It was more a comment on how it’s been presented previously.