Well, my family member was diagnosed with bipolar. They're stable now but we can still experience the ups and downs. Before we knew what was happening it was pretty awful, they'd be fine, showing some signs of paranoia but to be honest we had normalised it. But the reality is we couldn't have left them alone, they didn't know what they were doing and really believed they were well and everyone else was acting strange. I remember thinking they were messing when they answered the gps questions, I think I told them to stop fucking about.Think we all agree the suicide theory has always been odd, of all the ways to go but Donal saying he was happy and was looking forward to his life ahead, I'm sorry but a lot of people think that of loved ones, there are people who have just got married, had a new baby, got a new job, their whole lives ahead and one day the end it all. No warning signs, so it can't be ruled out.
Does anyone know what type of mental health episode would lead to something like this? Would it be someone bi polar? With mania? I know adhd and bi polar can be misdiagnosed as similar, mistaking hyperactivity for mania and vice versa.
No bottles or cans, you'd expect to see that.It does seem like it would be a prime place for teenagers who are dabbling in things.
I’ve thought exactly the same about the cello and completely agree with you. I am certain that he wasn’t gifted. It’s an easy narrative to build in your head though , and Fiona seems genuinely upwardly mobile and someone who would have a strong awareness of not only opportunity but how much harder a mixed race boy might have to work to be well thought of.They should have told her about the trip. Not telling her adds to the narrative that they didn't investigate properly, not collecting dna etc. That was wrong of them and they'll need to explain. They'll also need to explain the leaks as that points to a feeling of defensiveness.
I think they knew he entered the drain quite early in this, possibly days before he was recovered.
Just on the cello thing, I'm from a musical background thats not an instrument which is easily self taught. I question this genius narrative, someone is doing a lot of overcompensating.
I mean he may have been chosen for the orchestra and tuition continued online during lockdown, the online programmes are sans humans. But anyway I just see a mum who was telling everyone her child was super intelligent, I kinda have an aversion to people like that, the kids are rarely ok.
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I also agree there'll be point scoring during the inquest by the psni. That's beyond unprofessional.
Beyond it. Donal repeats the word ambush, the family will be ambushed at the inquest. It's not fair.
Let them see the information beforehand, why humiliate them. The woman is already destroyed.
Glad someone else sees it. I don't mean it as any criticism towards him and I don't doubt he was a bright lad. Does look like a narrative though and no one is going to come out and say otherwise. School reports being sent to a psychologist in Oxford or somewhere is interesting, you'd have to wonder wtf that is about, I don't feel its necessary unless it is?I’ve thought exactly the same about the cello and completely agree with you. I am certain that he wasn’t gifted. It’s an easy narrative to build in your head though , and Fiona seems genuinely upwardly mobile and someone who would have a strong awareness of not only opportunity but how much harder a mixed race boy might have to work to be well thought of.
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Do you mean those gates?? It seems more like a way out or well in if you where doing work there
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Seems he would have came over this small wire fence, as far as I rem this was the house he went out the back of as it had the wheelbarrow sitting in all the pics. The gates would be further down other side of the drain? I think? Not sure.
Yes the hight gate is the main entrance that infrastructure/maintenance would come in and out of, that's not the way Noah came, he went through a back garden and over well assume as its the one mostly photographed that wire fence, over the small stream (as Donal said) then down to the drain.No it looked a lot higher than that View attachment 2267797View attachment 2267800View attachment 2267801
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The high gate in the background is the entrance right?View attachment 2267827
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Ah right so he must’ve known where he was going? How did he lift those bars though, they weigh a ton , unless he squeezed through?Yes the hight gate is the main entrance that infrastructure/maintenance would come in and out of, that's not the way Noah came, he went through a back garden and over well assume as its the one mostly photographed that wire fence, over the small stream (as Donal said) then down to the drain.
You'd imagine he knew but Donal said no searches turned up on his phone, so either he's been there before, been shown by someone else on their device or he was put there.Ah right so he must’ve known where he was going? How did he lift those bars though, they weigh a ton , unless he squeezed through?
Yeah and the fact a naked child was walking through a housing estate and even entered someone’s property, all very strange.You'd imagine he knew but Donal said no searches turned up on his phone, so either he's been there before, been shown by someone else on their device or he was put there.
The lifting of the bars, at the beginning when I thought he was running for his life I'd have believed he lifted them as over the years you hear of adrenaline giving humans this sort of super strength, there was one well documented about a guy that lifted the front of a car to rescue someone underneath.
But then I'm not sure, probably unless you tried yourself you'd never know. I can't see anyone fitting through.
The screaming is concerning, if he was put there was he calling for help? or if he went in, did the cage/lid shut by accident and he couldn't push it enough to get out? Of course in either case seems people heard but didn't bother trying to see who was shouting, I'd have been out, I was literally hanging out my bedroom window the other day as I heard men's voices shouting, turns out a dog was loose and another dog was going to go for it, but I had to find out, I can't ignore stuff like that.
When is it looking like the court date will.be?
I found the drain searching odd tbh it’s usually undergrowth and rivers checked if they suspect suicide.I wonder if he got disorientated in the drain- he was found pretty fair down I think? So maybe couldn’t get it. Although people could hear something, he was in a drain, it wouldn’t have been at all clear where the noise was coming from and how they could find the source
Yes I can say if someone was in my garden and probably more so kids I'd be out chasing them. We can only assume they weren't at home or not in the kitchen, the only way to see out the back.Yeah and the fact a naked child was walking through a housing estate and even entered someone’s property, all very strange.
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I found the drain searching odd tbh it’s usually undergrowth and rivers checked if they suspect suicide.
Seems its heading that way, which to be fair to Fiona is what she has said from day one, while she can get caught up in rumours and hearsay the one thing she has never changed is that she suspects and to be honest knows the investigation wasn't done right. They wrote him off from the start, like you say just like Matthew and I do believe Mathew may have lived if they had started an immediate search. They aren't covering a crime, they are covering their own backs.Disturbing for sure. Inquest may give some clarification on the time of death but Donal doesn't appear to know yet. Thats kind of unusual isn't it, they must have some idea. Decomp, core temp would give a rough estimate. Not disclosing that, witnesses hearing voices, police searching the area points to him being alive in there possibly on the sun night anyway.
This might boil down to not getting police on the ground, overtime budgets, this attitude thats its another teen gone AWOL who will turn up eventually. There are similarities here with the teen Matthew, again there was no urgency there, he possibly could have been saved.
The greenvale tragedy, police on scene who left.
I wouldn't focus so much on how or why Noah entered the drain, things happen, sometimes they're difficult to explain. The disturbance in the area on the night he disappeared, the witnesses and when the police had a hunch is probably important.
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At a guess I'd say that's what the PII is covering. Intelligence that he may have entered the drain on sun evening and not enough was done, they've possibly dismissed it.
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