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greenvelvet said:
Some good threads about Monkeypox from virologists and doctors:
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The consensus seems to be that it's not really dangerous and is spread through close contact. Fortunately, it is closely related to smallpox, which we already have a vaccine for, and there are lots of antivirals available that could help. The smallpox vaccine is suitable for this and for other poxviruses, but we stopped vaccinating against smallpox in the UK 50 years ago after over 100 years of doing so, once we successfully eradicated it. This means the public's immunity to poxviruses like this one is waning. Chickenpox is apparently not a poxvirus, BTW.

From what I can gather, virologists and doctors aren't so much concerned that monkeypox will become an epi/pandemic - it's more that it transmitting at all is proof of our vulnerability to poxviruses (like smallpox). The fact we haven't been able to trace it shows it is spreading undetected. Poxviruses' adaptability means they can jump from animals to humans, and there are loads of nasty poxviruses that affect animals out there. Virologists see it as another sign we should be doing more to limit zoonosis and transmission - for instance, by improving sanitation around animal agriculture and yes, bush meat - and procure vaccines and antivirals.

TL;DR: Monkeypox itself is likely not that dangerous, but is proof of our growing vulnerability to poxviruses, and a reminder that we should put procedures in place to build our defences against poxviruses. Fortunately, unlike with COVID, we have plenty of suitable defences available to us. We just need to start using them.
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Smallpox for thousands of years in all likelihood, absolutely decimated human populations across the world. If it didn’t kill you it would blind you, or leave you horrifically scarred or maimed.

The smallpox vaccine is one of those things I think about every so often and feel in awe that we’ve managed to create it

monga said:
I know it’s not an STI anything carried on the breath is classed as airborne as a sneeze or cough can be contagious.
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i didn’t think they were classifying it as airbourne because close contact was needed but maybe I misread!
 
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Emmelina Ball said:
The more we keep “isolating” and attempting to “contain” viruses, the weaker the populations immunity will be as a whole. Look around at the childrens hepatitis cases - they are linking it to lockdowns. Think of how many more things like this will happen if people aren’t allowed to get sick anymore. Monkeypox for the majority of people is a mild illness and should be treated as such. If someone doesn’t want to take the risk they can stay at home but an entire class shouldn’t lose out on education because one or two are sick.
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That was one hypothesis of many. It has not been linked to lockdowns, it has not been linked to anything as of yet. They’re still investigating it with the most probable cause being adenovirus or a Covid-19 infection.
 
Ensay

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I see Pride events won't be banned, but it hasn't stopped some trying!

Excerpt from the article above:

“Sadly, but entirely predictably, some of those who oppose Pride and who oppose equality and human rights have already been attempting to use monkeypox as a justification for calls for Pride to be banned.

“We are pleased the WHO guidance is clear that Pride and major events should not be affected and are, in fact, opportunities to share important public health messaging,” he added.
 
monga

monga

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Emmelina Ball said:
Chickenpox, CMV (cold sore virus) and slapped cheek syndrome can cause stillbirth I’m not sure how much more severe you can get!
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Isn’t that my point ! we don’t send kids to school with these illnesses on advice of public health, even impetigo isn’t acceptable so why should we send them with Monkeypox
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monga

monga

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Emmelina Ball said:
My point is we don’t isolate the whole class, we only keep the sick one at home. Most of the time with chickenpox, children mix before they know they have it. Most of the time slapped cheek is spread before they know they have it, no one stays off for a coldsore unless it’s accompanied by other symptoms. Fact is you can’t stop a virus in its tracks if you could they wouldn’t exist now. Best you can do is keep the sick one off and treat their symptoms.
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But my point was from the tweet above where they weren’t isolating even the infected case ,so letting it rip through the schools is crazy imo.Monkeypox is not as transmissible as chickenpox or other diseases so there is a chance of containment.
 
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monga

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Emmelina Ball said:
Most viruses react more severely in pregnant women. It’s because their immune system is weaker which makes them more susceptible to getting sick. I don’t support kids getting a monkeypox/smallpox vaccine. I feel strongly that all children shouldn’t isolate because one person is sick, kids would never be in school if that’s the case. The sick person should stay off school - like they do with every other illness (vomit and diarrhoea/chickenpox/flu). The idea that a whole class should go into isolation as a result of one child being ill is bonkers.
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it’s the unborn child’s at severe risk , because of the long incubation period it would be hard to tell how many of the class were infected, as the Quebec school didn’t take any action there could be a lot of consequences from that, milder illnesses should be allowed to spread but those that have dire outcomes in the unborn have further reaching implications imo .
Even the vaccine is not given to adults unless there’s exceptional need
 
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