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LaurieLaurie
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I think it was suicide. She has a vacant look to her.
BroccoliTreetops
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I don't think he dragged her body there, he got her to walk there and then whacked her and shoved her down cliff face. They were both comfortable standing on edges to take photos, the question is when did it happen? He probably stayed with her overnight and then at first light got her to walk there for the views and did it. what time does sunrise there at the time?
Trixabelle they plan to search again "in Spring" according to msm.Just seen a news story that says she may not be found for five years as they suspect she slipped on a part of the mountain which was icy ... may sound dumb here but why can’t they go and search that area then? Rather than leave hersurely a big search team and all the equipment would be safe?
But the French & Spanish cops also plan to meet this coming week I think they said.
It will be their first face to face meeting. It shows commitment.
They plan to discuss strategies etc.
Oscar Pistorius. Reeva Steenkamp. Deja vu.
I have a friend who heads a huge company today. She looks like a model, is very clever and competent.
Sharp as a whistle, excellent at dealing with people and sussing them out.
You would not believe me that she showed me photos of clumps of her hair pulled out of her scalp & her face with bruises.
I would never have believed it. Except she showed me photos.
Today all is well. She laid the restraining order, got counselling, married happily.
It happens to people you'd never believe it did.
It wasn't her IQ or her strength that failed her. It was the "poor injured boy inside". Maternal instinct.
I only got emotional torture in my encounter luckily. He is a black belt. And my encounter lasted months not years. Both his adopted parents died within months of each other so he had to fly to his country and arrange funerals. I got a mental breather.
The solo hike was ED's breather.
Indeed.
Just like Oscar...
I have a friend who heads a huge company today. She looks like a model, is very clever and competent.
Sharp as a whistle, excellent at dealing with people and sussing them out.
You would not believe me that she showed me photos of clumps of her hair pulled out of her scalp & her face with bruises.
I would never have believed it. Except she showed me photos.
Today all is well. She laid the restraining order, got counselling, married happily.
It happens to people you'd never believe it did.
It wasn't her IQ or her strength that failed her. It was the "poor injured boy inside". Maternal instinct.
I only got emotional torture in my encounter luckily. He is a black belt. And my encounter lasted months not years. Both his adopted parents died within months of each other so he had to fly to his country and arrange funerals. I got a mental breather.
The solo hike was ED's breather.
Great catch!
Indeed.
Yes. He had to learn to plan from a young age.
Just like Oscar...
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Jackson18851964
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So Dan is resuming the search for Esther when the police say she is clearly not on the mountains anymore. I feel more and more convinced now that Esther has fled from Dan, away from his control freakery and possessiveness. It is obvious now after these many months, that nothing was found that would suggest it was an accident, no debris or human remains or clothing, equipment. Esther was planning to leave Dan and quietly slipped away to Spain or France, unseen incognito. The lack of evidence or foul play suggests she voluntarily left of her own volition. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Intriguing blogger. "Scarlet" looks a lot like Esther.I've stumbled on this blog that has a very detailed timeline of media articles and posts.
The disappearance of Esther Dingley in the Pyrenees
The disappearance of Esther Dingley in the Pyrenees Esther Dingley (37, from England) was last seen on November 22nd 2020, while doing a sol...koudekaas.blogspot.com
She seems to be Dutch because she titled it Koude kaas - cold case in Dutch.
A relative with a very sad, sweet face.
Either way Scarlet, we're with you.
The_Investigator
Member
They can’t as he’s seen as a victims family, so they can’t criticise him.
PeggyHenry
Member
If it weren’t for that Vigo sighting at 3 pm i was convinced that some posts on her phone had been made by ‘someone else’...
but I can’t see why Vigo and gf would lie or make an error. Ti me, their sighting of Esther means that she made posts up until 22 nd at 3 pm. But I did think the post regarding meeting the kind fellow hiker was written in a different manner to her previous posts.
I also thought at one time that that post referring to meeting a kind fellow hiker provoked DC.
So interesting what Johanna says about DC potentially having another female ... you have made me realise that we only see the tip if the iceberg... there could have been so much more happening behind the scenes which led to something happening!
So much to think about
but I can’t see why Vigo and gf would lie or make an error. Ti me, their sighting of Esther means that she made posts up until 22 nd at 3 pm. But I did think the post regarding meeting the kind fellow hiker was written in a different manner to her previous posts.
I also thought at one time that that post referring to meeting a kind fellow hiker provoked DC.
So interesting what Johanna says about DC potentially having another female ... you have made me realise that we only see the tip if the iceberg... there could have been so much more happening behind the scenes which led to something happening!
Yes what is this warning .. who issues it. I haven’t got one but do we need to be very careful about what we say here?
So much to think about
The_Investigator
Member
The sun and daily mail both report her female friend saying she wasn’t eating on their last hike and discussed that they had split for a break from each other.
Yeah for sure can still have no common sense despite being intellectual or be a very academic-type person who might appear odd to everyone else but they just see the world differently.I can't answer for petitpois but academic qualifications make you knowledgable)expert in the specific subject that they was studied. Some of the dumbest people I've met have degrees/masters etc.
Excuse my 'dumb' typos
PeggyHenry
Member
It’s gone quiet here!
im still thinking third party involved...
im still thinking third party involved...
I read all her Facebook posts in 2020.
From BBC's Science Focus:
"Tracking dogs follow the scent trail of a particular individual, which is mostly skin cells because they are heavy enough to fall to the ground and mark the route."
www.sciencefocus.com
"Air-scenting dogs ... will find any human that’s not their own handler.
They’re trained to find a human within a large area when there isn’t an initial point to pick up a trail from.
Air scenting dogs... follow volatile and aerosolised particles that can be carried several miles in the air.
These particles comprise a mixture of natural human secretions such as sweat, body odour and pheromones, as well as artificial smells from deodorant, perfume, make-up and clothing.
They work by following the ‘scent cone’ that spreads from the search target, on the wind. But scents will also cling to undergrowth as the target brushes past, which can sometimes even allow dogs to find targets that are downwind of them.
"Tracking dogs follow the scent trail of a particular individual, which is mostly skin cells because they are heavy enough to fall to the ground and mark the route."
What do mountain rescue search dogs actually smell?
"Air-scenting dogs ... will find any human that’s not their own handler.
They’re trained to find a human within a large area when there isn’t an initial point to pick up a trail from.
Air scenting dogs... follow volatile and aerosolised particles that can be carried several miles in the air.
These particles comprise a mixture of natural human secretions such as sweat, body odour and pheromones, as well as artificial smells from deodorant, perfume, make-up and clothing.
They work by following the ‘scent cone’ that spreads from the search target, on the wind. But scents will also cling to undergrowth as the target brushes past, which can sometimes even allow dogs to find targets that are downwind of them.
Here's an account of a scramble up the north scree of Pic de la Glere. The route is possible, but they say an ice axe is essential.
Reminds me of Great Expectations. But in reverse.
DC as Pip but deciding to call it off. Instead of Mrs Haversham with her aftermath cake.
"after Dan’s operation, when he was lying on the couch eating pieces of discounted Christmas cake they had bought for the wedding. The nuptials had to be canceled because of the health scare, and even today they have not managed to get married."
Chronic fatigue.
Living with an unstable person.
Could not lead a normal white picket fence life.
Yes.
DC as Pip but deciding to call it off. Instead of Mrs Haversham with her aftermath cake.
"after Dan’s operation, when he was lying on the couch eating pieces of discounted Christmas cake they had bought for the wedding. The nuptials had to be canceled because of the health scare, and even today they have not managed to get married."
Rollercoaster.
Chronic fatigue.
Living with an unstable person.
Could not lead a normal white picket fence life.
Yes.
Ms. Lawson 'moved on' well before her husband died...
The_Investigator
Member
Think they sat on it. Perhaps as advised by police.
I think maybe DC , I.e. the boyfriend feels responsible for her suicide? She was on a break from him according to the friend she hiked with during the break and she said she didn’t think she would get back with him this time. Cheating on her perhaps, which is why he is so keen to say they were happy, cos he drove her to suicide? I’ve suspected this for a while. Her Facebook is sad and soul searching as she said, so not happy, despite his insistence they were, think he protested so much it was obvious.
I think that is exactly what I would have done. Once the police had done the forensics on the hut, there's no reason for him not to stay there. It's the logical base for conducting a search. The police have said there was no evidence of her staying in the refuge, so they must have done some due diligence.
As for conducting his own search, I can also understand that. He had his own opinion on the likely scenario, which seemed to rely on her not deviating from her planned route. Perhaps the SaR team had a different opinion regarding the priority of areas to search.