Michael Jackson

[samwilzrhcp]

Money talks, he was a peadophile.

 

[MarshMallowMonster]

He said openly there was nothing wrong with having kids in his bed.

Star struck parents enabled it.

If Dave the Plumber down the road did that there would be an outcry but as it was MJ it was fine. The king of pop, the dude who never grew up.

I believe he abused kids, hid in plain sight and paid off whoever. Epstein shows that money and power is enough to shroud crimes.

MJ did the same for sure.

Great musician and dancer, but definitely a paedophile.

 

[Upintheair83]

Alot of fans dont like Lisa Marie because she bashed MJ after their divorce....but actually a few years before Lisa Marie's death, she did an interview where she talked about MJ...she said any anger she had towards him had subsided and she felt deep regret she couldn't 'save him'
She said she was the only one who could even comprehend the fame and the problems that come from fame, because it was so similar to her dad's level of fame. She said both lived in an ivory tower where they could pick up and dispose of people at their will. A place where they were surrounded by sycophants and where there was no accountability.....why anyone would ever want fame is beyond me. Lisa lost alot for the price of fame, I hope she's at peace with her dad and son now.

 

[Soncna]

In the past there was an online blog about Michael and all his special young friends. With the timeline of all his relationships. When I read it and especially after seeing all the pictures (in private and Public setting) I do not need a court to convince me he was a p…. As a mother of three boys I would never allow any adult man to display such inappropriate behaviour to my children.

 

[samwilzrhcp]

He was clearly a PDFile!
There would be uproar if Dave down the street had strangers kids round for sleepovers. His fanatic fans can’t see the wood for the trees unfortunately.

 

[messytessy]

Yes he does, iv been a lifelong fan and I have the original broadcast of the documentary that I recorded live the night it aired. The you tube clips are not in its entirety.
I think its so easy with documentaries to fall on either side. Some are too biased towards MJ and some too accusatory. I think the best documentary in recent years is the BBC one.
I feel like iv read every word ever written on MJ, good and bad -and I still don't really know. As you say, he did things that were extremely questionable and he has got some grooming patterns in there too. But I just don't know if he actually did the molestation that hes been accused of.

Even if he didn't sexually abuse children, it cannot be denied that he groomed children and their families, and developed inappropriate relationships with young boys. This alone should be enough for his music to never be played again imo. If it was any other male music star showing the same behaviours today, they would be cancelled immediately.

 

[GingerSquid]

Why are you talking about children abuse? There were always only BOYS. There is well documented history of his special friends- holding hands, sitting together,…. Always boys, boys, boys…. I loved his music as a kid/ teenager/ young woman. As a mother of three sons,who saw these pictures, I turn off the radio when I hear his music. His eccentricity is no excuse for the abuse. His fame Is still protecting him. You don’t want be the mother of the boy in Bashir interview. For me the police interview with the boy is enough to believe the children-boys.

Yes! As a mother of boys too, it really frustrates me when people seem to minimise these situations with male youth vs female. He was clearly attracted to young boys of a certain age. Approaching puberty, but pre-pubescent. They found orders of naked child videos at his house? How is that not evidence?! If this was a white male 90s pop star with the same age GIRLS, they would be immediately banned and cancelled- imagine if Robbie Williams or Justin Timberlake had toured with a 12 year old girl sharing his bed. Photos with her sitting on his lap acting like a couple! “Oh nothing to see here, he just likes the company of young girls and it’s due to him missing out on his teenage years due to joining Take That at 15 / Disney Club at 10 / insert child star situation as an excuse!

 

[oatmealpieface]

He was a paed, the backbending fans will do to excuse him is wack. I loved a lot of his music, honestly I still listen to some of it, they are an undeniable indelible part of musical history. But I can still acknowledge he was a nounce. There is so much similarity in victim testimony. He groomed children and their families; I don't believe he nonced every child he hung out with (like Mark Ronson, mentioned above) but he would test them by eg exposing them to pronography and seeing what he could get away with and which children were more vulnerable or had parents he could fool. He had an alarm system set up so that if anyone approached his bedroom he'd have plenty of notice. His housekeeper warned people to keep their kids away from him. He was pictured with a never ending string of young boys who mysteriously stopped hanging out with him after a certain age. HE LITERALLY SAID WITH HIS OWN MOUTH HE SHARED A BED WITH KIDS. I would not be surprised if some of the details were inaccurate, some of Wade's words sound a bit off to me, but no matter the intimate details it is irrefutable he had sick and inappropriate relationships with children he groomed. He was a nounce. Occams razor.

 

[Sassie]

I’m not worked up at all. I’m happy for peoples opinions as I am an all threads. No one has to agree.

The reason I mentioned Jimmy Saville was because someone said if a person is dead their alleged crimes should be laid to rest with them which I disagree with and as per your point here we’re all allowed difference of opinions.

Ps. 1000000% isn’t a thing. Max is 100% ? that’s tongue in cheek incase I have to clarify

Slightly off topic, but .. I have a holiday home in Scarborough (a small seaside resort in the UK).

Jimmy Savile lived there, and was pretty much hailed a hero. When he passed away he was given what was close to a state funeral send off, memorials were erected all over the town (street signs, plaque on his flat, etc) and he was awarded a Freedom of Scarborough honour. He was adored in his home town (predominantly by the older generation!).

Once the massive abuse scandal broke, anything and everything containing his name was removed. Even his headstone was taken down and sent to landfill.

He was once the talk of the town (even after he’d died), but now it’s like everyone acts like he didn’t exist. I was in a pub close to his home last year, and a guy struck up a conversation with a local about him .. the tumbleweed was unreal, and he abruptly left (think he thought he was going to get a good hiding ?).

Basically, in that huge warble, I guess what I’m trying to say is .. the mighty fall extremely hard.

For the record, he ALWAYS gave me the chills .. especially when he wore his marathon gear ?

 

[Yano]

Why would he need to make friends with young boys when he literally had 3 children of his own? If it was all about being a kid again then firstly, why would a kid want the responsibility of 3 kids to take care of and secondly....whys hes spending his time with random kids and not his own?

 

[Okivia2020]

I think he had a god like complex. You only have to look back and see how he walked around with the umbrella, he wants three kids, he got them, he wants a playground built for him in his house, done, he wants to change his skin colour, ok we can make that happen. I don’t buy all that child like behaviour with his “Peter Pan” stuff and his high pitched innocent voice and do believe he abused young boys. It can also be true he had a messed up childhood. He also did have some great songs. I don’t think he would get away with it these days

 

[Handerton]

I just get the feeling that if Gary Glitter had been the one with the money and fame, we’d be here reading about his accusers being liars and wondering if any of the rumours were true. It just seems so easy to cover stuff up if you have the money and are making big dollars for influential people too. If any of us had kids sleeping in our beds for ANY “reasons” we would expect to get locked up and have nobody trust us again

 

[Tangerine Cat]

I think the film is typical Jacksons- using MJ to get their money rolling in.
I do think its nice for Prince and Blanket to celebrate their dad for his musical achievements. They've lived most of their lives hearing the allegations about their father, discussing their father as though he wasn't their dad just because they dont share the same DNA. And so, for them, I'm really pleased they can celebrate him and what he achieved in his professional life and have something that isnt tainted with controversy.
Whatever anyone thinks of MJ now, he was a pioneer in the music industry, especially for black artists and his achievements in music were groundbreaking. He was genius.

I was a massive fan of MJ but as iv grown older, I do see him in a more 'real' light now. He displayed massive red flags and I certainly wouldn't have allowed him near my child.
Every box of how to spot a predator, he does tick.....having said that I do strongly believe that Michael was a victim himself.
I really believe when he was little boy he was most probably abused. (I don't mean just by his father, I think the physical abuse was separate) But he was a young kid, in rooms and studios with older men. Powerful men. And we only have to look at Epstein and the rumours that go around in hollywood about powerful men...He would also be on the road with his brothers from a young age, in nightclubs- around all sorts of men. Safeguarding wasn't really a thing back then either. You only have to see how damaged Justin Bieber is now, to see how child stars are almost doomed from the start. I'm not excusing his behaviour, I'm not saying that the abused always abuse either. Because they don't.
I dont think Michael was a 'normal' person, with 'normal' experiences either, so it's almost inevitable that he turned out the way he did. I think alot of his eccentricities bore out of him not understanding himself -He was a total narcissist, ego driven, he wasn't emotionally intelligent either- he seemed stuck emotionally in his teenage years with no one ever really on his side, or to look out for him or to guide him. And so il be honest, I do feel sorry for the young Michael Jackson, that little boy who did just want to play- I don't think he ever had a chance, and I think he was pimped out in more ways than one. I'm not condoning his choices as an adult at all, but I will always have empathy for him as a child.
I don't believe all of his accusers either, there are some I really struggle to take seriously but I do think they should all have their voices heard and people to make their own minds up- every victim should be listened to.
But Michael Jackson never stood a chance either.

I think the same as I always have. He abused those boys because they knew about the vitiligo marks on his penis. There’s no excuse for that.

I still think he’s the reason Macauley Culkin went off the rails but he’s not going to come out and say anything because MJ’s weird fans would hound him and nobody would be interested in giving him a job anymore because admitting abuse hasn’t helped anyone’s career has it?

He groomed the world talking about his abusive childhood though. I don’t buy that he wanted to play with children because he didn’t have a childhood himself, he still had choices like we all have and most of us choose not to repeat the mistakes. We still grow up and want to have adult experiences rather than childhood ones. Having said that I do recognise all of his family seem to be very strange.

Michael was a hard nosed businessman when he wanted to be, the only thing I‘m not surprised about is that he ended up on drugs and dead much earlier than he should have.

He’s a mercurial character though, I can still appreciate his music - well everything before Bad was incredible, after that it all went a bit meh.

 

[Youtubegossip]

Because they all come out of the woodwork. Look at Jimmy Saville and how many have come out and claimed he did something to them. Yes half of them may have had something happen but the other half are only in it for the money.

You know that for a FACT do you?

Also from what I understand this documentary focuses around 4 boys. All of who ‘came out of the woodwork’ years and years ago and their parents took money to be silenced didn’t they???

 

[uwu]

Now we all know MJ was a bit weird and creepy which made he him do some unusual things, but the fact not one piece of evidence of child molestation was found by the FBI over a 10 or so year period of them investigating him makes me wonder why these two men have come out now. Wade Robson already seemed a bit shady and was still praising MJ for many years after his death and then apparently wakes up one day and says he was abused. Kinda seems a bit fishy, also in court documents he says he has to ask him mum many times what exactly happened to him.

I don't really know what to believe if I'm being honest because it's literally their word against a dead man with no actual evidence to back up any of their claims.

 

[Upintheair83]

I think the same as I always have. He abused those boys because they knew about the vitiligo marks on his penis. There’s no excuse for that.

I still think he’s the reason Macauley Culkin went off the rails but he’s not going to come out and say anything because MJ’s weird fans would hound him and nobody would be interested in giving him a job anymore because admitting abuse hasn’t helped anyone’s career has it?

He groomed the world talking about his abusive childhood though. I don’t buy that he wanted to play with children because he didn’t have a childhood himself, he still had choices like we all have and most of us choose not to repeat the mistakes. We still grow up and want to have adult experiences rather than childhood ones. Having said that I do recognise all of his family seem to be very strange.

Michael was a hard nosed businessman when he wanted to be, the only thing I‘m not surprised about is that he ended up on drugs and dead much earlier than he should have.

He’s a mercurial character though, I can still appreciate his music - well everything before Bad was incredible, after that it all went a bit meh.

I agree, and that's why I said that I feel sorry for him as a child. I truly suspect he was sexually abused as a child- he was in hollywood from a young age- in a time that no one would ever believe or care if a little black boy was a victim. He was sold to the highest bidder in hollywood and I think we would all be naive to think that no abuse happened to him. But I also think that because of his fame, his family and also his own god-like complex, is why he ended up the way he did. He was a complete and utter mess.

And so I suppose I find the whole story sad- the cycle of abuse that goes on- but not just in MJs story, in a lot of stories too. And I admire those adults who stop the cycle of abuse and don't use excuses to take away the innocence of others, and dedicate their lives to make sure it never happens again.

It's the saddest fact that adults let children down time and time again, and in his adult life Michael did the same to the children he abused.
I just think that all abuse victims deserve sympathy- of course some grow up and go on to abuse too- and some dont- but it still doesn't stop me having sympathy for all of them as a child.
Adults have so much to answer for at times, childhood should be treasured and looked upon as the most sacred gift in this world. I actaillt despair for humanity at times that we even have to think about CSA.

 

[shellie]

He was a pedalo. No denying it or sugar coating anything. He had 5 year old boys spend the week with him. Why are people so blinded by celebrity? He was a bad man yet people offered their kids up. Sick

He groomed the parents as well. You offer the world to someone who has never seen it (it was always families who were poor and had nothing) and claim there is no strings attached and while they might have some issues, many would take it. With them out of the way getting this and that and going here and there, he was free to do what he wanted with the kids. I'm not saying this to absolve the parents because if something is too good to be true then it usually is, but they get to the kids through the parents more than most realise.

As for people who still refuse to believe it...look at what's come out about Epstein and the others. If you have the money then you can pay your way out of anything but you will eventually be caught. I honestly wouldn't be surprised that if he had lived, there would be more accusations and eventually one would come he wouldn't be able to talk his way out of.

 

[Magwitch]

He said he slept on the floor, that part always gets missed out / glossed over

Right, because it’s perfectly normal for an adult man to share a room with a young boy he is not related to. Ugh.

 

[Abominatrix]

But couldn't any jury who liled any popstar do this but p diddy is in prison how many other celebs have been in prison

That's always the risk taken when trying the rich and famous - juror loyalties to them could twist things. However, no one in the world was ever as famous and beloved as Michael Jackson, there's no arguing that. People were and still are obsessed with proving his innocence, because he occupied a place in their hearts.

The world was obsessed with Micheal, people were fainting at his concerts, all over the world. Diddy is not the same.

Also a reminder that there is video footage of R Kelly urinating on a 14 year old girl, whom he was sexually abusing far further than that, and people vociferously defended him for decades.

It has taken a long, long time to get where we are as far as the public accepting these abuses, and the trial against Jackson then would not be at all the same as a trial against him now.

ETA: another reminder that OJ Simpson walked. That does not mean he was innocent. For every celebrity in prison, there's a dozen whose status protected them from consequences.

 

[PurvyPanda]

Micheal Jackson was also rumoured to be “ shagging “ lots of woman to, his former bodyguard who I will add didn’t get paid for his work stated Michael had woman after woman, he said the hardest thing to do was to sneak them in. Michael couldn’t party, he’s was so famous that he was flocked by thousands where ever he went.

These are all money grabbing parasites.. you may think that is harsh but it’s true. Do you really think if there was no money to be had they’d be spitting these lies.. what’s Michael legacy worth now? 3.5 billion?

I hope these lawyers that are defending Michaels estate rip their lies apart, maybe they could chuck in a few acting lessons to.

I’m afraid, I hear more impartiality from the people who are willing to question Michael Jackson’s legacy, than I do from his fans (fan being short for fanatic), who will fervently defend him. The fact of the matter is no one knows, other than his accusers, and certainly not ‘100%’.

Many of the people on this thread have already disclosed that they were fans of Michael Jackson, or there is a part of them that is still able to appreciate his artistry, but still question his very dubious behaviour.
Much like any contentious issue, if people are not prepared to question the status quo, and face the possibility that their own belief system MAY be shattered, then I would question why, and certainly wouldn’t entertain their POV.