Met Police

[Underthetabletop]

I can’t work out what I feel tbh.
The police right now should be saying actually, we ducked up with this one (you may know what bits). They always join pride, they knelt as an apology for other policemen, they even protect right wingers what march in normal times. But then when its women who didn’t do as told, they resort to violence. It wasn’t the answer. Not yesterday when emotions were running high.
but then again, when emotions were running high, would a pause on the event been better providing the police let it go ahead in the middle of the week with planning and more control? All its done is set back the cause for this as some men keep saying women are hysterical, and it proves to them we are..... (even if we are clearly not!!!!)

 

[HoneybeeLondon]

In case anyone missed what Sarah's friend wrote the link is here. I am assuming (though I could be wrong) that her family share the same sentiments and gave permission for it to be released.

How bleeping tragic that the poor girls death was hijacked by a protest that turned violent.

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So incredibly sad. There will be justice for Sarah. We musn't hurt ourselves by trying to support Sarah and her family.

 

[slugella]

The people that caused it all to kick off were apprently trans rights activists. What a surprise!! When interviewed, that red head thats appeared in a lot of the press photos, from an extreme trans rights group called Women Uncut, said she was there to make sure all women, both cis and trans feel safe from men. Not one mention of Sarah Everard. I bet she'd be fine with seeing harm coming to a TERF.

So because she supports trans people and wants them to feel safe she automatically wants harm to happen to others? Is there any evidence for this, or just assumption because she has openly supported the trans community?

 

[Warpaint]

Should have let them protest if they were doing it peacefully. The police didn't look good at all and no doubt it will hurt community relations.

There's always the element that attend these though that basically see protesting as a day out and look to actively get things kicking off. I think it happens at most of them then it all becomes blurred and the original meaning is lost.

 

[slugella]

Should have let them protest if they were doing it peacefully. The police didn't look good at all and no doubt it will hurt community relations.

There's always the element that attend these though that basically see protesting as a day out and look to actively get things kicking off. I think it happens at most of them then it all becomes blurred and the original meaning is lost.

Agree.

I think they should have co-ordinated with the organisers and let it go ahead. It would have avoided this mess. And like others have already said above very well, even if they stuck to the ban they could have handled it very differently- sent more female officers etc.

 

[Boom19]

ACAB and always have been. Their purpose has always been only to protect the interests of a select few.

My aunt is a police officer. She currently works in a department which deals with sexual abuse. Predominantly the victims she deals with are women. She works long hours for an average wage. I've seen her in tears after dealing with heartbreaking cases. Numerous sexual preditors are behind bars now thanks to her hard work.
She is a cop.
ACAB??? Really?

 

[What's your point]

The thing that gets me is whilst all the protesters were kicking off and the police were being admittedly heavy handed not too far away there was probably a woman been abused, grape, victim of domestic violence, flashed at whatever and the police were tied up work this when they could have been doing something else.

We can protest until the cows come home it wont stop a bad man doing something horrific to a woman if they want to.

Yes there needs to be tighter sentences for these kinds of crime but blame the judicial system and the people that set the tariffs not the police.

Horrific that WC is a serving MET officer but there are good and bad in every profession and the anger of the protesters was targeted at the wrong people for me.

 

[sdmilne]

So because she supports trans people and wants them to feel safe she automatically wants harm to happen to others? Is there any evidence for this, or just assumption because she has openly supported the trans community?

Well you'd think that when asked why she had come come, she MIGHT have mentioned Sarah by name as a higher priority than the that bleeping awful cis word. Just a thought? There are women and there are trans women. Cis women is a nonsense term. And I might get hate for this but I daresay the risk of grape trans women face is really quite low.

 

[BlahBlah86]

My aunt is a police officer. She currently works in a department which deals with sexual abuse. Predominantly the victims she deals with are women. She works long hours for an average wage. I've seen her in tears after dealing with heartbreaking cases. Numerous sexual preditors are behind bars now thanks to her hard work.
She is a cop.
ACAB??? Really?

i too also know many many wonderful ex-policing colleagues that go above & beyond for every single victim they deal with, that often take their work home with them, that spend more time at work than with their own families to secure those convictions to protect those victims & that try their god damned hardest during every single job as did I when I worked there (I worked in DV) & repeatedly stayed over my hours, one shift working at 4pm & not finishing until 6am the next morning as I had to drive to wales & back..I was back in work that night). For every head officer/police staff there are many many many wonderful ones. This whole side of things is so heartbreaking

 

[HoneybeeLondon]

It was ill-advised to have large numbers of white male officers at the vigil. It was just an insult considering that her alleged murderer is exactly that.

Personally don't think gathering in large numbers during a lockdown is the best thing for our overall safety right now. There are other ways to show our concerns and feelings about Sarah's murder, female safety, male and police aggression.

 

[grace28]

I have so many mixed feelings on all of this.

Have the protests being part hijacked being groups whose main agenda is not female safety, completely so, but I’d say more so today’s then yesterday’s. Yesterday was a complete affront to the majority of women and those scenes make me feel sick just thinking about them. Male police offices manhandling women and trampling on tea lights for a murdered woman, allegedly killed by a MET officer is an appalling look. I do believe a lot of effort was communicated through the right channels to make it a viable meet.

The police and crime bill has now become central to this argument and takes aspect of all the issues covered, overzealous police, what makes us a liberal democracy,the right to peaceful protest. Is it in part due to covid, yes but new rules and laws will go beyond June.

 

[slugella]

Well you'd think that when asked why she had come come, she MIGHT have mentioned Sarah by name as a higher priority than the that bleeping awful cis word. Just a thought? There are women and there are trans women. Cis women is a nonsense term. And I might get hate for this but I daresay the risk of grape trans women face is really quite low.

Yeah and that's a totally valid opinion about mentioning Sarah's name which I never disagreed with or questioned.

But saying she probably would be ok with violence against others purely because she mentioned safety of trans women is a bit of an assumption, and unnecessary, unless she has said that publicly.

Anyway I will leave it at that as it's a whole other can of worms and not really the thread for it.

 

[Oohthedrama]

If they had worked with the organisers (like they did with the peaceful BLM protest) this wouldn’t have happened,
as soon as it was “banned” you invite the scummy ant-pro-whatever tossers who are looking for a fight to come party.

no other vigil went this way.
taking the actual arrests and conflict out of it, the whole thing was handled badly from Thursday.

And it’s important to add, fuelled by the media.
I’d say a huge number that were there last night didn’t give a rats a about women’s safety, they just wanted a scuffle.

the organisers were willing to have time slots and stewards, so violence aside, the police ducked up in how they handled this, and they have done since the time a body was found.

 

[Jmx]

Why is this been banded around? I can guarantee you that the scenes from last night are nothing compared to football supporters and Police week in week out. Stupid comparison

What do you mean by this? The scenes in Glasgow were outrageous (I was there for work) and police allowed it, it seems last night’s vigil was peaceful in comparison until police tried to put a stop to it.

 

[BlahBlah86]

If they had worked with the organisers (like they did with the peaceful BLM protest) this wouldn’t have happened,
as soon as it was “banned” you invite the scummy ant-pro-whatever tossers who are looking for a fight to come party.

no other vigil went this way.
taking the actual arrests and conflict out of it, the whole thing was handled badly from Thursday.

And it’s important to add, fuelled by the media.
I’d say a huge number that were there last night didn’t give a rats a about women’s safety, they just wanted a scuffle.

the organisers were willing to have time slots and stewards, so violence aside, the police ducked up in how they handled this, and they have done since the time a body was found.

Totally agree with this 100% there were loads of options offered by the organisers & they could have prevented a lot of this & potentially made some progress with trying to build a rapport back up

 

[Yel]

it was always going to go ahead & I think they missed a real opportunity here to show some solidarity & attempt to help build public relations. They should have sent female officers

I think that's what surprised me most, you'd think they'd have a large amount of female officers on the scene. It's never going to look good forcibly removing people, but this week they really dont need scenes like that. But at the same time I can see how it happens, people on long shifts with short tempers and the vast majority left when asked to but the last few refused to and they got heavy handed. I'm inclined to believe the stories that the few that didn't co-operate weren't there for a vigil.

Now chants of "duck the police" outside Scotland yard, this all could have been avoided.

 

[TommyTBFC]

What do you mean by this? The scenes in Glasgow were outrageous (I was there for work) and police allowed it, it seems last night’s vigil was peaceful in comparison until police tried to put a stop to it.

I agree they were. But two different forces, 2 different police commanders in charge. It’s difficult to compare. I have seen many woman say the same you did about Police allowing male football fans do what they like and are heavy handed with woman. I was just saying the reality isn’t like that between football fans and Police

 

[sourorchid]

I can see so many sides to this story my head is spinning. But if we’re going to have a fair debate let’s play fair on facts and not assumptions? ACAB, well not really as has been proved above. And then two other facts. Everyone is comparing Glasgow and this? Does anyone realise the Scottish polices force is actually pretty separate from England and Wales? So it’s not exactly fair to compare the officers responses. And secondly it’s been mentioned that it’s heavy handed for 3 men to be on one woman who was compliant? Who said she was compliant? How can you tell from the photo? She may have been violent, resisting arrest, threatening and abusive. Women want equality but when they are treated like men during an arrest there is outrage. Sorry that seems baffling. My final thought, the Met ducked up when given the opportunity to plan a Covid safe, peaceful vigil. I am 100% agreeing with that and an investigation should be made. However let’s not forget that the media, the photos, the videos show one side. If I told you your child’s teacher abused children does that mean all teachers are bad people? Never trust a teacher again?

 

[Kinvarra]

During Covid it was the reality of two gatherings, so yes, a direct comparison of crowds meeting during a stay at home order and police presence and response. How the police usually handle football gatherings is outside of what’s gone on.

I was just saying the reality isn’t like that between football fans and Police

Different forces is a point (ish).

 

[Begborrowsteal]

Football fans are loud, obnoxious and cause disruption and are a nuisance. The police usually stand back, guide the crowds and step in when its too rowdy.

The police force has long been shadowed by racism claims, sexual offenders etc. The force is ducked. On top of that, the attitude towards violent and sexual crime victims - its no wonder theres no trust. Apparently the entry requirements were lowered in order to increase enrolment numbers? So any old bleep can join, like WC.