Met Police

[Gloria Rostron]

The right to protest is a vital human right.

 

[Oohthedrama]

Difficult one.

Finding it difficult to defend them(the police) to be honest,
seeing how the BLM protests were handled (police taking the knee in front of them at times)
The football gatherings over the last few weeks, and now this.
It doesn’t look good, especially since a police officer is in custody for this girls murder. And every attempt was made to work WITH the police for days prior.
Other vigils did go ahead with no incidences. Only in London.

(I'm not getting into the restrictions themselves but it all seems a bit extreme now. We’re being stripped of our rights at this point)

 

[Piff paff puff]

Seems it's been hi jacked by the radical left same as XR and BLM.
They seem to want to cancel the police with the things they are saying and the vandalism they are committing
Put the agitators in a police cell for a while to calm down.
I support women's rights to be safe but this mob is only concerned with getting their face in the news
Well done making an important cause into a riot.

 

[Boom19]

ACAB and always have been. Their purpose has always been only to protect the interests of a select few.

My aunt is a police officer. She currently works in a department which deals with sexual abuse. Predominantly the victims she deals with are women. She works long hours for an average wage. I've seen her in tears after dealing with heartbreaking cases. Numerous sexual preditors are behind bars now thanks to her hard work.
She is a cop.
ACAB??? Really?

 

[idk2]

So one of their own kidnapped and murdered a woman and now at a Virgil for Sarah, the police think violence is the best cause of action in the face of people showing solidarity and togetherness? Yeah, no. Police are wrong and they need to own up to it. If anybody got a fine, they need to issue Kate Middleton one too. She was there just before the police presence arrived (coincidentally).

 

[Begborrowsteal]

The police handled it badly. The videos ive seen are awful, throwing women around. The worst offenders I saw were, surprise surprise, men. Screaming in the face of officers.

 

[What's your point]

In case anyone missed what Sarah's friend wrote the link is here. I am assuming (though I could be wrong) that her family share the same sentiments and gave permission for it to be released.

How fucking tragic that the poor girls death was hijacked by a protest that turned violent.

Redirect Notice

 

[BlahBlah86]

I am very pro police, and the incident that’s led to this happening has shocked me to the core (I’ve mentioned on previous threads I used to be a civilian investigator for a uk police force).

I understand why the police put the stops to this HOWEVER I do actually think they should have allowed it considering the scenes previously for the football celebrations?
BUT they didn’t so fair enough.
it was always going to go ahead & I think they missed a real opportunity here to show some solidarity & attempt to help build public relations. They should have sent female officers, they should have attended at the start & said look we know you’re not allowed but we appreciate the reasons for it so we’ll stand with you but if the crowds get too much/covid restrictions etc then we’ll start moving people on. It shouldn’t have come to what it did in my opinion.
There were vigals in other parts of the country, including my home town, I didn’t go as I thought it was cancelled but it didn’t end in any violence/police getting involved.
ive also seen a lot on Twitter that a few anti-covid/anti-maskers attended & tried to make last night about covid(?) so I believe there were others there last night trying to cause a scene.
I don’t agree with the protest today as I think it’s just adding to it all & making it all worse.

In all this I stopped last night & just thought how horrendous all this must be for Sarah’s family & close friends. Not only are they dealing with what they have to, they also have to deal with their daughters name being used so politically. My heart breaks for them. I’m not sure the people driving this have even thought about that.
I do think there needs to be change but I think things could be done differently.
the whole thing has just really really overwhelmed me, not only the whole situation of the alleged crime but I have wonderful ex-colleagues that are literally a credit to the police force that go above & beyond every shift to help victims that I know will likely bear the fall out from this
I’m just so sad right now

 

[What's your point]

I have no issue with people attending vigils/protests. Not ideal during covid but difficult to stop once a movement start to gather momentum.

What I have a HUGE issue with is Sarah Everards name getting linked to it. Her friends have publically said she would not have wanted it and her family must be absolutely heart broken right now to see her name linked to scenes so ugly.

From what I gather the vigil early one yesterday tea time was very peaceful but then started to get rowdy when large groups turned up with banners and started chanting.

I agree with the sentiment (though protests are not my thing) but there is a time and a place and last night in my opinion was not it.

 

[Jmx]

I can’t understand why a few weekends ago, the police escorted a huge number of rowdy football fans around Glasgow but a vigil wasn’t allowed to happen.

 

[Oohthedrama]

If they had worked with the organisers (like they did with the peaceful BLM protest) this wouldn’t have happened,
as soon as it was “banned” you invite the scummy ant-pro-whatever tossers who are looking for a fight to come party.

no other vigil went this way.
taking the actual arrests and conflict out of it, the whole thing was handled badly from Thursday.

And it’s important to add, fuelled by the media.
I’d say a huge number that were there last night didn’t give a rats ass about women’s safety, they just wanted a scuffle.

the organisers were willing to have time slots and stewards, so violence aside, the police fucked up in how they handled this, and they have done since the time a body was found.

 

[BlahBlah86]

My aunt is a police officer. She currently works in a department which deals with sexual abuse. Predominantly the victims she deals with are women. She works long hours for an average wage. I've seen her in tears after dealing with heartbreaking cases. Numerous sexual preditors are behind bars now thanks to her hard work.
She is a cop.
ACAB??? Really?

i too also know many many wonderful ex-policing colleagues that go above & beyond for every single victim they deal with, that often take their work home with them, that spend more time at work than with their own families to secure those convictions to protect those victims & that try their god damned hardest during every single job as did I when I worked there (I worked in DV) & repeatedly stayed over my hours, one shift working at 4pm & not finishing until 6am the next morning as I had to drive to wales & back..I was back in work that night). For every dickhead officer/police staff there are many many many wonderful ones. This whole side of things is so heartbreaking

 

[Begborrowsteal]

I saw one woman dragged off her bike, and arrested. It was absolutely too heavy handed. A woman being murdered by a police officer like this, and then last night, im surprised there hasnt been a bigger outrage tbh.

Im angry, and would love to protest tbh. But I wouldnt feel safe. Ive never had a good experience with the police, and sadly I dont trust them at all.

 

[grace28]

I have so many mixed feelings on all of this.

Have the protests being part hijacked being groups whose main agenda is not female safety, completely so, but I’d say more so today’s then yesterday’s. Yesterday was a complete affront to the majority of women and those scenes make me feel sick just thinking about them. Male police offices manhandling women and trampling on tea lights for a murdered woman, allegedly killed by a MET officer is an appalling look. I do believe a lot of effort was communicated through the right channels to make it a viable meet.

The police and crime bill has now become central to this argument and takes aspect of all the issues covered, overzealous police, what makes us a liberal democracy,the right to peaceful protest. Is it in part due to covid, yes but new rules and laws will go beyond June.

 

[Yel]

all this because people went against the police in the first place last night.

I'm more on the side of the police last night, they were asked lots to move on for hours then the decision was made to act as it was breaking rules set out for public health. Very difficult position and the optics are absolutely terrible. Seems like it would have been better to turn a blind eye, but someone in possession of more information decided to intervine.

Cressida Dick video statement due shortly.

 

[sdmilne]

So because she supports trans people and wants them to feel safe she automatically wants harm to happen to others? Is there any evidence for this, or just assumption because she has openly supported the trans community?

Well you'd think that when asked why she had come come, she MIGHT have mentioned Sarah by name as a higher priority than the that fucking awful cis word. Just a thought? There are women and there are trans women. Cis women is a nonsense term. And I might get hate for this but I daresay the risk of rape trans women face is really quite low.

 

[Begborrowsteal]

I don't pretend to understand the complexities of this issue, I don't watch thhe news at the moment it is too depressing. It seems to be yet another method of deviding society, we've had BLM which has caused great division, now we have this latest cause, one motive seems to be to set men and women against each other.
I don't mean to offend anyone when I say this, but why is this woman more important than any other woman who has lost her life, or gone missing? Where are the protesters, when any average woman becomes a crime statistic?

I think its just the timing in society, certain cases ignite a reaction. Lots of black men have suffered at the hands of cops, but GF gripped everyone. I think theres always an undercurrent, and certain cases just bring it to the forefront.

Saying that, I did wonder why I saw Sarahs missing poster so much. It was everywhere! I asked my partner and friends why there was such a push for her, why her case. Maybe they knew something was dodgy from the off. Maybe she was just one of those cases that catches the press attention

 

[AshMay]

ACAB and always have been. Their purpose has always been only to protect the interests of a select few.

 

[Jane Fonda]

It's a little disturbing to read people's defence of the police by saying that those women that were manhandled MUST HAVE DONE SOMETHING.

It sounds exactly like the argument used when a woman is sexually harassed or assaulted.

I've said it before on another thread but I attended a number of protests (not these ones) as an observer and the police would often grab, pull, push, drag people who were breaking no law. I saw one girl who sat on the footpath quite close to me get dragged away by the foot. She was attending a protest and was not doing anything to warrant what happened.

 

[gigi_93]

I'm more on the side of the police last night, they were asked lots to move on for hours then the decision was made to act as it was breaking rules set out for public health. Very difficult position and the optics are absolutely terrible. Seems like it would have been better to turn a blind eye, but someone in possession of more information decided to intervine.

Cressida Dick video statement due shortly.

If they’d done nothing they’d be under just as much scrutiny. It was a no win situation

ACAB and always have been. Their purpose has always been only to protect the interests of a select few.

ACAB is such a stupid phrase