Madeleine McCann

[prinnygrace]

Aren’t Kate and Gerry known to be friends with people in sex rings (or were friends with). Maybe they could still have something to do with it even if this German guy is involved if he has been known as a sexual predator. Obviously complete speculation and not based on fact.

 

[monga]

It seems the German confessed to a friend in a bar,said he knew all about her.He then showed him a video of himself raping a woman

 

[Lhasalife]

No they don’t disappear but she did and fact that ZERO evidence was found linking ANYBODY else was found should speak volumes. Not one other piece of evidence, not a fingerprint, not one piece of DNA outside the family unit not one!!! So unless the person who took her had burned their fingerprints off and bathed in bleach it is ludicrous. A massive cover up!!!!! Massive!!!

 

[Whatsallthis]

I’m sure in the Netflix documentary the cadaver dog ‘evidence’ was rubbished by specialists. Can’t remember why now as it was so long ago I watched it.
I think the Portuguese police made massive mistakes and were very quick to blame K&G.

 

[monga]

I don't believe the parents had anything to do with it. And yes, maybe it was wrong of them to leave the kids alone. I am sure the guilt over that is killing them every day. But we all make mistakes and most of the times it turns out ok.
I used to be a perfect parent too, right until the day my first child was born.

There's no such thing as a perfect parent,but we can only try and be responsible parents.Leaving 3 young kids alone on more than one occasion in the hope they'll be OK, is very irresponsible in my book! and a big mistake that could have totally been avoided..

 

[Renegadedancer]

This is so insane. After all that time, if he is telling the truth, to suddenly come out and tell someone.

If this case is finally solved, 2020 is getting even wilder than it already was.

Maybe we will find out the ’truth’ about Princess Diana accident too. 2020 so far has sure been a rollercoaster ride and I’m ready to get off!

 

[Lhasalife]

If it was you or I we would be called to account - so tell me why have they not been - Gerry has absolutely fingers in pies that we don’t know and he is being protected! Irish family, protected by government- mark my words there is more to this. That guy in germany is a scapegoat to get closure on this to stop funding and to stop media and public scrutiny. Nobody took her!

 

[Gym&Tonic]

" Hold on tight,you're in for a bumpy ride " has never been truer than this year !

My Dad is 71 and even he says its the strangest year he's ever known.

 

[AngryBird101]

you disgust me. What a despicable thing to say. Shame on you.

Well they neglected their child and if they didn’t then she wouldn’t have went missing! People shout at people for much less.

 

[grumpy-nosy-cow]

I know my own parents were horrified about the McCanns leaving their extremely young children alone and my parents were in their 70s when Madeleine went missing. I don't think people's horror of the children being left alone was dependent on their generation, rather it was dependent on their own levels of common sense and sense of responsibility. I have never had children but I totally understand that no young child should be left alone because it's just common sense, they need looking after because they aren't capable of looking after themselves. I'm shocked that Madeleine and her siblings were left alone - the sheer stupidity of it baffles me to this day. Personally I always felt Kate and Gerry should have faced charges for child neglect.

i think the public would have far more sympathy if they actually said we made a terrible mistake but when they did the Crime watch reconstruction i think it was Gerry who said "We did nothing wrong ! " it was just so arrogant.
i cannot fathom how 2 Drs so intelligent people and their friends could think leaving young children alone in unlocked apartments wasnt wrong.

 

[birdiefly246]

Not sure if this has been mentioned anywhere, but Kate and Gerry have always raised my suspicions.

Kate replied with “no comment” to most, if not all of the questions when asked by the police after the disappearance.
Kate and Gerry went for a run the next morning of Madeline’s disappearance, like surely you should be doing other things instead of exercising?
Kate wrote about Madeline’s “perfect genitals” in her book which is just really bizarre and creepy.

The genitals comment is fucking weird... Why would you even think of your child in that way??? even if it was in the context of a child molestor?

 

[Meh]

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Sorry I didn't finish this!! If this was a girl from a working class background without influencial parents, with money, who had their fingers in a lot of pies this case wouldn't hav gathered even a tenth of the momentum. Never mind the funds. There were hundreds of children going missing in that area around the time Madeline did, and they didn't get any coverage, and that infuriated the locals. There was a HUGE child trafficking problem and it was never highlighted. Whether you his is what happened to Madeline, we don't know, but they could have brought the other missing children to the attention of the media too, but they never x

THIS 100%

This case IS an example of missing white syndrome. If this case, as you said, had been a working/poorer class person from UK it would never have been the focus.

Even more so if she was a child of colour.

Media attention, especially on her parent’s actions and culpability, would be very different.

This bias against minority groups from the media and the authorities (be it their investigation efforts or criminal system) is well documented in many horrific cases.

USA

Gary Ridgeway “Green River Killer” - 48 known victims, mostly black women - was loose far longer than should have due to police inaction and discrediting of his victims.

Atlanta Child Murders - 28 known victims (including adults) but mostly black boys. One convicted but others at large as widely suspected more than one perpetrator

Cleveland Strangler - think around 12 black women killed.

Being America and serial killings we could list these all day.

Canada
Highway of Tears - upwards of 50 girls and women murdered along a section of highway in Canada. No one has been brought to justice. Most victims were indigenous girls in their teens, hitchhiking after running away from reservations. Their families have put up billboards along the road in response to their lack of justice. Very sad, read into this if you haven’t.

UK
Shannon Matthews - how authorities and media treated her disappearance and her family was markedly different due to their socio economic background

Stephen Porter “Grindr Killer” - known 4 murder victims and hundreds of rape victims. Targeted gay men, drugged them and attacked them. He got away with this for so long because of Police failure and homophobia in their “investigations” (2 victims were found... IN THE SAME LOCATION ON SEPARATE DATES) yet police still viewed them isolated. Incredibly sad as these men’s families and friends kept approaching police. This was only recent as well.

Rose and Fred West - infamous yes. But They went unnoticed for so long. Systemic failures of authorities such as schools to notice children just missing. (Their own two daughters whom they murdered)

These are just some examples of the bias against minority groups, be it POC, classism or gay discrimination.

 

[coconochanel]

As people have mentioned why does this case get so much attention and funding? loads of children go missing/ get kidnapped and never get a quarter of the attention Maddie's case has got. Plus the fact it was the parents fault in the first place for leaving the poor kids alone just makes its worse IMO.

 

[birdiefly246]

Someone up thread said that the only evidence against the parents was the sniffer dog but that's actually incorrect. There are plenty of other evidence against them as well as theories. For example the parents lied about many things the police asked them or their stories didn't add up with each others.

Put it this way if I was a kidnapper and had two sleeping babies or an almost 4 year old I know I'd take one of the babies. Babies are harder to identify due to them all looking quite alike with usually no distinguishing features (especially like maddie's eye), baby clothes are easy to change or get out of along with a baby making less fuss than maddie could at almost 4 years old. At almost 4, Maddie is old enough surely to know a man breaking in to the apartment and grabbing her is dangerous and wrong but the babies wouldn't. If you saw a man walking around with maddie it would be much easier to identify her but if you saw a man with a baby or woman you wouldn't bat an eyelid.

Someone said further up that she could have been kidnapped to order which makes a lot of sense if you think about it (sinister as f** mind but not out of the realms of possibility).

She was in the kids club all day so if one of the staff of the kids club was working as part of a child trafficking ring they would know the movements of the McCanns and all the other families, and it would be easy to get pictures of the kids to choose which one they wanted as it's a kids club so taking pictures of them doing activites would be pretty innocuous. Maybe she was chosen and that's why she was taken. Apparently a lot of kids went missing in that area around that time. It doesn't actually seem that far fetched when you think about it, especially in light of the Jeffery Epstein scandal. This shit does go on.

 

[Renegadedancer]

Aren’t Kate and Gerry known to be friends with people in sex rings (or were friends with). Maybe they could still have something to do with it even if this German guy is involved if he has been known as a sexual predator. Obviously complete speculation and not based on fact.

I’ve read that too. I think there is such a tangled web of lies and deceit, the parents know much more than they have ever let on. I think they have lied for so long they think of themselves as the third party ...they know they are involved and so do their friends but for some reason there is a ring of steel surrounding this case.

 

[KateESJ]

I hadn’t heard that before about what the mother said about her daughters private area. Thats very disturbing.

It’s weird af.
I can’t say I’ve ever thought anything about my children’s private parts outside of a medical context. And to write it in a book for people to read?? Beyond odd and gross.

 

[Sara_M]

If she fell and died accidentally and they hid her body regardless of the dogs findings, how on earth did they do it in a place they weren’t familiar with and so she has never been found? People all over the world turn up years later by just being stumbled upon.

The lead Portuguese detective (who they criticise because he didnt buy their "abduction" line) believes she was placed in a coffin:
He said: 'We had information three figures went into the church via a side door at night. They had a box and there was to be a cremation of a British woman.

'It is possible the child's remains were in this box and cremated as well. The parents had the key to the church,'

The priest had given them the key so they could seek comfort. He later vowed to have no more to do with them saying he had "been deceived" by them. When questioned he said he would never divulge what was told to him, due to his role as a priest.

 

[SassyRiv77]

Grinds my gears when judgey mums start on about kids clubs, my kids adore kids clubs, they beg to go back daily!! It’s not parents dumping their kids to sunbathe when the kids actually love it

 

[Jelly Bean]

Poor Madeleine.
No matter what the truth it won't be good. Poor little girl.

 

[PoleStar]

i think the public would have far more sympathy if they actually said we made a terrible mistake but when they did the Crime watch reconstruction i think it was Gerry who said "We did nothing wrong ! " it was just so arrogant.
i cannot fathom how 2 Drs so intelligent people and their friends could think leaving young children alone in unlocked apartments wasnt wrong.

I've worked alongside numerous doctors during my career over the last 33 years. Some of them have been lovely people who I have liked very much, some have been absolutely horrible arrogant shits. I think a lot of people make the mistake of putting doctors on a pedestal because of what they do for a living and forget that they are human beings like the rest of us. Doctors are intelligent people, they have to be to do their job, but in my experience intelligence and common sense do not necessarily go hand-in-hand.