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The dad makes me feel uncomfortable also, it's the way he seemed very aggressive and agitated but in other videos where he wasn't being filmed by the media he seemed all happy and jolly. I also read what someone posted last night and the way he said to the woman above them 'a girl has gone missing' instead of saying 'my daughter' was odd for me...
He comes across as a controlling type
 
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Apologies if this has been mentioned before (I haven’t read the whole thread) but has anyone heard about their trip to a bar called Chaplins that was around 2km from the Ocean Club, that the group went to (including G&K) a couple of nights before Madeleine went missing? It was happy hour and a quiz night too. Apparently, a member of staff from Mark Warner found G&K and advised them that Madeleine had been crying for over an hour (it was about 10-11pm) and they need to come back. I think one of them went back. I think it may have been Mrs. Fenn, who lived above the apartment, who alerted a member of staff. Unfortunately, I think she’s passed away now.
 
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Apologies if this has been mentioned before (I haven’t read the whole thread) but has anyone heard about their trip to a bar called Chaplins that was around 2km from the Ocean Club, that the group went to (including G&K) a couple of nights before Madeleine went missing? It was happy hour and a quiz night too. Apparently, a member of staff from Mark Warner found G&K and advised them that Madeleine had been crying for over an hour (it was about 10-11pm) and they need to come back. I think one of them went back. I think it may have been Mrs. Fenn, who lived above the apartment, who alerted a member of staff. Unfortunately, I think she’s passed away now.
I do actually remember reading something about them possibly being at another bar one of the nights. I was on a forum called babyandbump and there was a huge McCann thread on there (might be gone now) which I found mind blowing at the time and that’s where I first saw it mentioned.

I did a quick search and found this blog which seems to discredit the whole thing.
 
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Why has op grange and the mccanns ignored an offer to further test the DNA that could put the whole issue to bed?

There is no evidence of an abduction at all in the flat, yet that is the narrative that the mccanns pushed from day one. It is the only objective of OP grange. Why are police not allowed to go back to day dot and follow all leads? No investigator worth their salt can be happy with an investigation that does not 'investigate'

Even a cursory look at the PJ files shows you all the evidence they had pointing to deception by the mccanns. They had phone logs deleted, incoherent and clashing statements, refusal to answer basic questions. I honestly cant fathom how we are expected to believe in an abduction to which there is no evidence , when the PJ never got a chance to follow and bottom out any leads.
EXACTLY!! Well said 👏🏼👏🏼
 
Actually, the talk of sedation came from the Mccanns themselves!
Kate wrote that the twins had always been sound sleepers but this "seemed unnatrual" she said she was scared for them and checked her breathing and "wondered" if madeline had been given a sedative by her abductor to keep her quiet.
Then, after speaking with police on 3rd august they said of kate
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their friends & family also kept mentioning the possibility of sedation
2nd Oct, Kate's mum said it.
19th Nov Gerry said the twins slept so soundly "which does make you wonder if substances were used."
2008 a mother of one of the Tapas friends also said it.
Fiona Payne also said "it seemed weird they didnt wake up"
And in Oct 2009, 2 former detectives, employed by the Mccanns said they were "convinced" the abductor used something like chloroform.

The twins unusually deep sleep raised eyebrows and I guess this was their way of putting the spotlight on the abductor. Or perhaps they were worried her body would be found and were planting the seeds to explain any trace of toxins.

Just my theory, I don't think it was the parents. Yes they may have been negligent, yes perhaps dodgy characters but how much random stuff could the police dig up about any one of us, which people could run with and make a story about.

I think someone that worked in the Holiday Complex was feeding someone information about when apartments were left unlocked ect so valuables could be stolen. They may have been desperate for money and thought this would be a quick money maker. The thief would then give the Holiday worker a cut in return for the information..

Let's say this thief was also a paedophile like the new suspect, managed to get into the Mcanns apartment and thought Bingo, has taken Madeline and the rest is history.
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Just looking at the press on CB and either they’ve got their man or he’s being stitched up good and proper.

Articles on a friend who worked in the resort phoned him to tell him the apartment was empty and free to burgle. Another one on one of his pals apparently calling the phone line and said he looked like the e-fit. Then a sighting reported in Spain of a man and little girl at a restaurant, traveling in a camper van.

Things seem to be moving fast.
 
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So here’s my five pence worth I believe they 100% did it. They are drs so would be aware of CSE and abuse so why you would leave a child to potentially be taken is beyond me knowing what can happen to children that are trafficked.


I wasn’t a parent at the time of Maddie and I remember the most horrific feeling of my stomach being twisted and twisted to think of what that child is going to be possibly subjected to. That for most parents is the worst nightmare but I never ever saw that with them not even a glimpse.

I like to think I’m a good at people reading and I have never got anything just a bunch of wtf why would you say that feelings. I wasn’t a parent but I would be searching high an low for my child not that I would never ever leave my child not in this country let alone another.

Also ‘they have taken her’

Who Kate? Who took her?? Why didn’t they take the twins??? None of that will ever ever sit right with me.


They will never be brought to justice for what they did and that is because our own government are involved with the funding and why no proper questions were asked.


I work in children’s services and this would not happen with the children I work with. Why was the twins left with parents who clearly and openly neglected them
 
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Just my theory, I don't think it was the parents. Yes they may have been negligent, yes perhaps dodgy characters but how much random stuff could the police dig up about any one of us, which people could run with and make a story about.

I think someone that worked in the Holiday Complex was feeding someone information about when apartments were left unlocked ect so valuables could be stolen. They may have been desperate for money and thought this would be a quick money maker. The thief would then give the Holiday worker a cut in return for the information..

Let's say this thief was also a paedophile like the new suspect, managed to get into the Mcanns apartment and thought Bingo, has taken Madeline and the rest is history.
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You make it sound so simple, if Only.
 
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Just my theory, I don't think it was the parents. Yes they may have been negligent, yes perhaps dodgy characters but how much random stuff could the police dig up about any one of us, which people could run with and make a story about.

I think someone that worked in the Holiday Complex was feeding someone information about when apartments were left unlocked ect so valuables could be stolen. They may have been desperate for money and thought this would be a quick money maker. The thief would then give the Holiday worker a cut in return for the information..

Let's say this thief was also a paedophile like the new suspect, managed to get into the Mcanns apartment and thought Bingo, has taken Madeline and the rest is history.
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That's what I lean towards too.
It would've had to be some one who knew the parents schedule of leaving their children behind and the other tapas crew.
I think it was someone working at the hotel who alerted an unsavoury person.
 
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Just my theory, I don't think it was the parents. Yes they may have been negligent, yes perhaps dodgy characters but how much random stuff could the police dig up about any one of us, which people could run with and make a story about.

I think someone that worked in the Holiday Complex was feeding someone information about when apartments were left unlocked ect so valuables could be stolen. They may have been desperate for money and thought this would be a quick money maker. The thief would then give the Holiday worker a cut in return for the information..

Let's say this thief was also a paedophile like the new suspect, managed to get into the Mcanns apartment and thought Bingo, has taken Madeline and the rest is history.
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This is pretty much my theory I think given all the evidence. It’s just wether K&G we’re aware of any of it??? God I hope they weren’t
 
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So it’s some poor bugger that worked at the holiday complexs fault? Would be a pretty big secret to carry around that they gave someone a key/information ect
 
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Sorry, I don't understand what you mean?
Was just giving my theory, like everyone else.
Nothing meant by it, apologies if it came across that way. A simple straight forward theory would mean we weren’t all still guessing after this long.
 
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Has anyone watched ‘itscatila’ Instagram story highlights on the whole situation? Very scary and sad
I’m just looking at it now! I went down the pizzagate rabbit hole a couple years ago - there’s some ducked stuff going on for sure. However in this case I think the podesta thing was debunked? Can’t remember how now.
 
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So it’s some poor bugger that worked at the holiday complexs fault? Would be a pretty big secret to carry around that they gave someone a key/information ect
So it’s some poor bugger that worked at the holiday complexs fault? Would be a pretty big secret to carry around that they gave someone a key/information ect

I think we have to think wider than what would be perceived as your typical 'bad person'.
What if the Holiday worker was a mum, desperate for money for any reason, could be facing becoming homeless, sick child and needed to pay for treatment, literally anything and thought this could be her way to make some money quickly and had no idea that a child would be taken, just thought they were assisting a thief.

It would be a case of having to keep your part a secret or being found out to be part of the biggest child abduction case we've seen. Going back to the fact this person could have been a desperate mum, by revealing her part she would potentially spend years in prison away from her child ect.
 
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So here’s my five pence worth I believe they 100% did it. They are drs so would be aware of CSE and abuse so why you would leave a child to potentially be taken is beyond me knowing what can happen to children that are trafficked.


I wasn’t a parent at the time of Maddie and I remember the most horrific feeling of my stomach being twisted and twisted to think of what that child is going to be possibly subjected to. That for most parents is the worst nightmare but I never ever saw that with them not even a glimpse.

I like to think I’m a good at people reading and I have never got anything just a bunch of wtf why would you say that feelings. I wasn’t a parent but I would be searching high an low for my child not that I would never ever leave my child not in this country let alone another.

Also ‘they have taken her’

Who Kate? Who took her?? Why didn’t they take the twins??? None of that will ever ever sit right with me.


They will never be brought to justice for what they did and that is because our own government are involved with the funding and why no proper questions were asked.


I work in children’s services and this would not happen with the children I work with. Why was the twins left with parents who clearly and openly neglected them
I seriously doubt your ability to be able to think objectively and also your suitability to work in children't services. Don't shoot me but you really need to reconsider your thoughts, why would a government fund filicide?
 
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I think we have to think wider than what would be perceived as your typical 'bad person'.
What if the Holiday worker was a mum, desperate for money for any reason, could be facing becoming homeless, sick child and needed to pay for treatment, literally anything and thought this could be her way to make some money quickly and had no idea that a child would be taken, just thought they were assisting a thief.

It would be a case of having to keep your part a secret or being found out to be part of the biggest child abduction case we've seen. Going back to the fact this person could have been a desperate mum, by revealing her part she would potentially spend years in prison away from her child ect.
There’s nothing to suggest that happened though
 
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Apologies if this has been mentioned before (I haven’t read the whole thread) but has anyone heard about their trip to a bar called Chaplins that was around 2km from the Ocean Club, that the group went to (including G&K) a couple of nights before Madeleine went missing? It was happy hour and a quiz night too. Apparently, a member of staff from Mark Warner found G&K and advised them that Madeleine had been crying for over an hour (it was about 10-11pm) and they need to come back. I think one of them went back. I think it may have been Mrs. Fenn, who lived above the apartment, who alerted a member of staff. Unfortunately, I think she’s passed away now.

So they had actually used the babysitting/baby listening service before?
I thought they hadn’t used it at all
 
Maybe I should of explained better. I don’t mean they will never be brought to justice because of our own government funding what I do mean that any wrong doing that they have clearly committed for example leaving three children alone for god knows how long they will never be charged for that.


Why would our government not bring not them to justice for that?

But continue to fund would that happen under normal circumstances?
 
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