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Whatever they did or didn’t do there remains no evidence the children were sedated.

The professional investigation teams will have covered all the theories that amateur sleuths online have, and some.

I don’t know if G&K are hiding something, but then, nobody does know, except them.
There's can't be evidence though can there, because they've held back on giving it - why would you even do that as a parent.

The whole investigation is flawed - you have the Portuguese police that messed up the initial forensics search, and Clarence Mitchell on their side determining what the media print and how our police investigate. His connections at the top are enough to get things buried and only the right questions asked
 
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Because it was extremely neglectful…it’s a bit different being 50 metres from the apartment to being a 10 minute walk away to another pub. The pub was called Chaplins and they went for happy hour. The mcCanns managed to keep it hushed up.
I've got to say they don't strike me as the sort of people who'd go to happy hour in a bar called Chaplins and I'm pretty sure it would be easily verified if true.
 
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I've got to say they don't strike me as the sort of people who'd go to happy hour in a bar called Chaplins and I'm pretty sure it would be easily verified if true.

What sort of people would go to a happy hour in a bar called Chaplins?
 
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I‘m going to have to go back and re-read their Rogatory interviews, aren’t I.
i may be some time.
I’m not sure I’m up for all the errrs, uuummmms and y’knows
 
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My best friend and I went on holiday to Greece with our families, a few years before MM went missing. We had three toddlers with us, it was a cheap last-minute deal, to stay in apartments which had no baby-sitting service, nor were there any restaurants or kids' clubs, it was literally just an apartment block with a pool. We had two apartments on the ground floor, the other two units on our floor were unoccupied for our first week. Our apartments had doors whch were at right angles to each other, during the day, we would leave the doors open so that the kids could come in and out when playing together, but we didn't do this on the second week when the other apartments were occupied (we didn't feel particularly worried about their safety, but the kids were loud and we didn't want to ruin anyone else's holiday!)

We spent time together as a group, we also had days where we did our own thing. Sometimes, my friend's daughter would spend the day with us, she was the same age as my son, and it gave our friends a break for a few hours, they then only had one kid to amuse all day. We almost always went out for dinner together in the early evenings. We had 3 fold-up buggies for the kids, we used to strap them in, chuck their toys, nappies, emergency clothes changes etc, in bags over the handles, and we took them out with us. Every single restaurant that we visited, made a huge fuss of the kids, nothing was too much trouble, we were given little nibbles and small portions of chips for the children, the staff would chat to them, we were made to feel so welcome everywhere, it was wonderful.

The kids had mostly been out all day anyway, so they were tired. Without fail, they would all fall asleep by around 9pm, my kid did manage to stay awake for the whole evening one time, but the restaurant had a fish tank, he spent most of the evening with his nose pressed up against it! We all managed to have a drink with dinner, but there was a kind of unspoken agreement that one of us could have a proper drink, while the other three took charge of a child each. It worked really well, I got quite tipsy after too many margueritas one night, my friend had a couple of bottles of wine on another. But our children were with responsible adults at all times.

I can't deny that a holiday with young children in tow, is often extremely hard work. Especially if you don't have access to children's clubs, baby-sitting services, etc etc. But there is absolutely no excuse for leaving young children alone in an apartment when on holiday. I don't think the McCanns will ever come out of this looking like responsible parents, but much as I think they're incredibly stupid, I think that their "friend" who left her young daughter, who had been unwell all day, is even worse. Who leaves a sick child alone in an unfamiliar environment, just to go and have dinner?

I think the whole crowd were a bunch of whiny, entitled holes, who just couldn't be bothered to take care of their children properly. I can't believe that there wasn't one person in that group, who didn't think that it was a bad idea to leave young kids alone, in apartments that weren't within sight or hearing range? They should all have been investigated for child neglect/endangerment, at least to show everyone else that you cannot do this, no matter how "safe" you think it is, just because you're on holiday.

I hope that the McCanns other children give their parents a really hard time about this. I hope that they tell K & G every day how much they resent being robbed of their older sister, who is missing purely because of her parents' neglect.
 
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My best friend and I went on holiday to Greece with our families, a few years before MM went missing. We had three toddlers with us, it was a cheap last-minute deal, to stay in apartments which had no baby-sitting service, nor were there any restaurants or kids' clubs, it was literally just an apartment block with a pool. We had two apartments on the ground floor, the other two units on our floor were unoccupied for our first week. Our apartments had doors whch were at right angles to each other, during the day, we would leave the doors open so that the kids could come in and out when playing together, but we didn't do this on the second week when the other apartments were occupied (we didn't feel particularly worried about their safety, but the kids were loud and we didn't want to ruin anyone else's holiday!)

We spent time together as a group, we also had days where we did our own thing. Sometimes, my friend's daughter would spend the day with us, she was the same age as my son, and it gave our friends a break for a few hours, they then only had one kid to amuse all day. We almost always went out for dinner together in the early evenings. We had 3 fold-up buggies for the kids, we used to strap them in, chuck their toys, nappies, emergency clothes changes etc, in bags over the handles, and we took them out with us. Every single restaurant that we visited, made a huge fuss of the kids, nothing was too much trouble, we were given little nibbles and small portions of chips for the children, the staff would chat to them, we were made to feel so welcome everywhere, it was wonderful.

The kids had mostly been out all day anyway, so they were tired. Without fail, they would all fall asleep by around 9pm, my kid did manage to stay awake for the whole evening one time, but the restaurant had a fish tank, he spent most of the evening with his nose pressed up against it! We all managed to have a drink with dinner, but there was a kind of unspoken agreement that one of us could have a proper drink, while the other three took charge of a child each. It worked really well, I got quite tipsy after too many margueritas one night, my friend had a couple of bottles of wine on another. But our children were with responsible adults at all times.

I can't deny that a holiday with young children in tow, is often extremely hard work. Especially if you don't have access to children's clubs, baby-sitting services, etc etc. But there is absolutely no excuse for leaving young children alone in an apartment when on holiday. I don't think the McCanns will ever come out of this looking like responsible parents, but much as I think they're incredibly stupid, I think that their "friend" who left her young daughter, who had been unwell all day, is even worse. Who leaves a sick child alone in an unfamiliar environment, just to go and have dinner?

I think the whole crowd were a bunch of whiny, entitled holes, who just couldn't be bothered to take care of their children properly. I can't believe that there wasn't one person in that group, who didn't think that it was a bad idea to leave young kids alone, in apartments that weren't within sight or hearing range? They should all have been investigated for child neglect/endangerment, at least to show everyone else that you cannot do this, no matter how "safe" you think it is, just because you're on holiday.

I hope that the McCanns other children give their parents a really hard time about this. I hope that they tell K & G every day how much they resent being robbed of their older sister, who is missing purely because of her parents' neglect.
Nobody left a sick child. The parents of that child took it in turns to be with her.
 
My best friend and I went on holiday to Greece with our families, a few years before MM went missing. We had three toddlers with us, it was a cheap last-minute deal, to stay in apartments which had no baby-sitting service, nor were there any restaurants or kids' clubs, it was literally just an apartment block with a pool. We had two apartments on the ground floor, the other two units on our floor were unoccupied for our first week. Our apartments had doors whch were at right angles to each other, during the day, we would leave the doors open so that the kids could come in and out when playing together, but we didn't do this on the second week when the other apartments were occupied (we didn't feel particularly worried about their safety, but the kids were loud and we didn't want to ruin anyone else's holiday!)

We spent time together as a group, we also had days where we did our own thing. Sometimes, my friend's daughter would spend the day with us, she was the same age as my son, and it gave our friends a break for a few hours, they then only had one kid to amuse all day. We almost always went out for dinner together in the early evenings. We had 3 fold-up buggies for the kids, we used to strap them in, chuck their toys, nappies, emergency clothes changes etc, in bags over the handles, and we took them out with us. Every single restaurant that we visited, made a huge fuss of the kids, nothing was too much trouble, we were given little nibbles and small portions of chips for the children, the staff would chat to them, we were made to feel so welcome everywhere, it was wonderful.

The kids had mostly been out all day anyway, so they were tired. Without fail, they would all fall asleep by around 9pm, my kid did manage to stay awake for the whole evening one time, but the restaurant had a fish tank, he spent most of the evening with his nose pressed up against it! We all managed to have a drink with dinner, but there was a kind of unspoken agreement that one of us could have a proper drink, while the other three took charge of a child each. It worked really well, I got quite tipsy after too many margueritas one night, my friend had a couple of bottles of wine on another. But our children were with responsible adults at all times.

I can't deny that a holiday with young children in tow, is often extremely hard work. Especially if you don't have access to children's clubs, baby-sitting services, etc etc. But there is absolutely no excuse for leaving young children alone in an apartment when on holiday. I don't think the McCanns will ever come out of this looking like responsible parents, but much as I think they're incredibly stupid, I think that their "friend" who left her young daughter, who had been unwell all day, is even worse. Who leaves a sick child alone in an unfamiliar environment, just to go and have dinner?

I think the whole crowd were a bunch of whiny, entitled holes, who just couldn't be bothered to take care of their children properly. I can't believe that there wasn't one person in that group, who didn't think that it was a bad idea to leave young kids alone, in apartments that weren't within sight or hearing range? They should all have been investigated for child neglect/endangerment, at least to show everyone else that you cannot do this, no matter how "safe" you think it is, just because you're on holiday.

I hope that the McCanns other children give their parents a really hard time about this. I hope that they tell K & G every day how much they resent being robbed of their older sister, who is missing purely because of her parents' neglect.
The thing that always struck me was that according to the Rogatory interviews (i erm, will uuum go back and check) was that Kate and Fiona had had a conversation about leaving the patio? Doors open so that Madeleine could come and find them if she woke up rather than cry in a locked apartment.

To me, that proves that whether she did wake up and take herself off or not is not actually the point. The point is that it was acknowledged that she could actually do so.
 
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From what I remember one of the other guys in the group was a right old complainer? He was emailing before the start of the holiday and moaning about the apartment allocation when they arrived? You were left reading between the lines that the staff would agree to anything within reason just to shut him up.
It totally fits that a wanker like that would think a family-friendly buffet restaurant is beneath him. (Eg can only imagine the snobbery around Harvester). And it kinda fits that if was the blokes doing all the ‘checks’ on the children that the women have said something like ‘if you want to do evenings without the children at the cool tapas bar you’ll need to check on them then’. (Pure conjecture of course - and given Gerry & Kate weren’t getting along at the time - weren’t they sleeping in separate beds - it’s fair to assume they weren’t parenting as a proper team).
The other thing that strikes me about the ‘checks’ they were doing is that it wasn’t actually about the children, it was just listening at the door to ensure they weren’t crying, ie preventing complaints about crying rather than were the children actually ok.
 
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I've got to say they don't strike me as the sort of people who'd go to happy hour in a bar called Chaplins and I'm pretty sure it would be easily verified if true.
Why do you love them so much?😂
They're GPs not the king and Queen, I'm sure they're not above going to a bar
 
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I don't love them, I feel sorry for them and don't think they deserve nearly two decades of hate.
I think if they’d shown just a tiny bit of remorse and held their hands up and said yes we did make a mistake people would warm to them more.
 
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I think if they’d shown just a tiny bit of remorse and held their hands up and said yes we did make a mistake people would warm to them more.
They have but it never seems to be enough for the strange folk of the internet
 
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They really haven’t
No, they absolutely have but you're not going to see it if you have an agenda and frequent forums that are hellbent on proving that: they murdered their child, they buried the body, they lied about their whereabouts, they routinely drugged their kids, Gerry was the head of some international child abuse ring etc etc.
 
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They have but it never seems to be enough for the strange folk of the internet
How long after though?
the immediate responses went through ‘eating in the garden’, ‘cultural difference’ and ‘everyone does it’.

Unfortunately for them - and Madeleine in particular - the story starts with them leaving the children alone in an unlocked apartment. That’s it. There’s no getting around that. Everything stems from that and as much as they may want people to get over it, it seems it’s still a stumbling block.
 
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No, they absolutely have but you're not going to see it if you have an agenda and frequent forums that are hellbent on proving that: they murdered their child, they buried the body, they lied about their whereabouts, they routinely drugged their kids, Gerry was the head of some international pweirdo ring etc etc.
Do you have any evidence that they have shown any remorse or do we just take your word for it?
 
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Do you have any evidence that they have shown any remorse or do we just take your word for it?
I posted something previously, an extract from Kate's book

How long after though?
the immediate responses went through ‘eating in the garden’, ‘cultural difference’ and ‘everyone does it’.

Unfortunately for them - and Madeleine in particular - the story starts with them leaving the children alone in an unlocked apartment. That’s it. There’s no getting around that. Everything stems from that and as much as they may want people to get over it, it seems it’s still a stumbling block.
Agreed, I don't think anyone is arguing with the fact the decision to leave the children was a disaster
 
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