I'm so torn with the theory of the parents setting up an abduction. Do you think that they intentionally hurt her, or she died in an accident and they covered it up?
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Yes! I remember reading about how Fiona said Kate didn't want to go on holiday there at all as they had multiple trips planned for the summer already and that she had that bad feeling but Gerry insisted they go and was eager. The more I'm reading in to the pedophile theory, the more I'm believing it. The abduction theory also has its merits but for the most part, I cant seem them accidentally killing their daughter, covering it up and then trying to "find" her for over 13 years. It would be exhausting mentally to keep that burden to themselves and I can only imagine the arguments that would arise - most couples fall apart after a child is abducted and later found but these two seem to be stronger than ever. Stronger because they're the only two who know what happened to Maddie or stronger due to guilt of leaving Maddie alone and wanting a stable family home for the twins?
EDIT: I think they left them alone various nights in a row and replicated a listening service, which is why the Paynes had bought their own baby monitor as they had all planned to do host their own listening service with only one person getting up to check however on arrival, they found that they weren't all assigned rooms in close proximity so had to leave the table together to check on their own respective kids. I don't think the friends truly know what happened either.
Can someone clarify, what is the paedophile theory? That the mccanns let her go with a paedophile or that she was taken by one?
Theres people who believe either of those theories are possible! Some think the whole group had very questionable things going on, like Gerrys rumoured sex offender registration, Gaspar statement, socialising with Clement Freud, government links etc. Few other things too. Like, Madelines makeup picture.
Personally, if they're involved, I think there was an accident that they covered up. I dont think they intentionally killed her.
I haven’t got round to reading the first 2 threads yet but just thought I would give my opinion.
There are way too many lies and inconsistencies for Kate and Gerry not to know what happened. Madeline died in that apartment as the dogs alerted to cadaver in different places. I think she died before the 3rd of May as there were no confirmed sightings of her since a few days before. Sorry I can’t remember exactly... my memory sucks. Whether her parents were involved or not I don’t know, but they know what happened!
There are way too many lies and inconsistencies for Kate and Gerry not to know what happened. Madeline died in that apartment as the dogs alerted to cadaver in different places. I think she died before the 3rd of May as there were no confirmed sightings of her since a few days before. Sorry I can’t remember exactly... my memory sucks. Whether her parents were involved or not I don’t know, but they know what happened!
After mentioning Freud there, I remembered how kate described meeting him at his house. This was written in her book
Eh? Imagine that being your opener to a woman who had lost her daughter! And it made her smile?!
Yeah, he sounds JUST like your grandad.
Bloody hell!
And knowing what we now know about that man...it just makes it seem even worse.
(People also point to this to back up peadophile theories)
Eh? Imagine that being your opener to a woman who had lost her daughter! And it made her smile?!
Yeah, he sounds JUST like your grandad.
Bloody hell!
And knowing what we now know about that man...it just makes it seem even worse.
(People also point to this to back up peadophile theories)
I don’t think they drugged their kids, most certainly not to the point of accidental overdose.
The amount of times I’ve seen on a parenting forum over the years where a child is given to much medication accidentally and they don’t even have to go in to A&E. Very many children’s medicines are safe at even double or more of the dose due to big variations in kids’ body weight.
Plus, couple of quacks overdosing their kids? Nope, not buying that theory.
The amount of times I’ve seen on a parenting forum over the years where a child is given to much medication accidentally and they don’t even have to go in to A&E. Very many children’s medicines are safe at even double or more of the dose due to big variations in kids’ body weight.
Plus, couple of quacks overdosing their kids? Nope, not buying that theory.
Very true. And with kate having been an anethesatist, you'd presume she wouldnt get that wrong. Then again, theres always a risk to anyone under anesthetic.
Unless, it was more a case of, she woke up groggy and fell, hit her head on the tiles. Or something along those lines
(obvs, purely speculating there!)They did mention a lot, themselves, about how they were worried the abductor had drugged the kids, due to Sean and Amelie being so soundly asleep. It did raise a lot of eyebrows from those that were with them.
So many questions!!
Personally the pedophile theory I debate is that she was taken by them. The McCanns knew that pedophiles were rife in the area they were holidaying in (C Freud being one) and Gerry's comments after confirm this. But did not think they were at danger and felt safe enough to leave their child unattended so either believed they were untouchable due to high connections on their part i.e Govt officials in UK, etc. I don't think they would ever willingly sell their child and then create this massive chaos.
what is the Make up picture? ive seen it referred to a few times on the Madeleine threads..
If you google her name and makeup it should come right up
It’s Maddie with blue eyeshadow and the theory is that it’s supposedly in a very similar style to a lot of child pornography.Right okay thank you both. I agree @idk2 I think they definitely knew of there being paedophiles in the area, I think Kate's slip of 'they've taken her' is confirmation too. I personally don't think they'd ever sell her on either. To live with that knowledge would be hellish.
This is the makeup photo. It was released in a montage of Madeleine style video released shortly after her disappearance by relative of the McCanns, Jon Corner. The explanation given for this photo is that madeleine was caught playing with Mummy's makeup. It was theorised that this photo was taken in PDL or at least while on some sort of holiday due to the background. It gives me chills to look at personally, it doesn't look like a happy contented child at all, certainly not a candid 'look madeleine found mummy's makeup!' style photo. Its as though she's been posed like this, the makeup applied for her, etc.
Looks like a bruise or smudge on her right cheek ...
I finally got around to watching Stephanie Harlowe ‘who is responsible’ 2 part on YouTube (she’s fab btw thanks to whoever recommended, some good opinions and insights into other cases too) I don’t feel as though I learnt anything new but her theory is similar to mine; I don’t think they killed her but they definitely know what happened and I’m not sure it involved a third party as in selling her to a peadophile ring.
I personally can’t even read the news stories right now because they are just so inconsistent and unreliable.
I live in hope that Maddie either died that night, which in itself is awful but rather that than she suffered any kind of abuse. Or she was abducted by someone who is taking care of her but I feel the latter is the least likely theory.
I personally can’t even read the news stories right now because they are just so inconsistent and unreliable.
I live in hope that Maddie either died that night, which in itself is awful but rather that than she suffered any kind of abuse. Or she was abducted by someone who is taking care of her but I feel the latter is the least likely theory.
My own 3 and three quarter year old dropped her afternoon nap around the time I was 8 months gone with my next one. I was dog tired and she was too young to leave in front of CBeebies so I made a game of us going to my bed for stories hoping she would maybe nap. I fell into a deep sleep but I knew she wouldn’t be able to leave the bedroom. When I woke up she’d occupied herself by doing her makeup with my makeup. The result was as you’d expect, like a melted Coco the clown.
Madeleine did not apply that herself. No way.
Madeleine did not apply that herself. No way.
Is that tear marks on both cheeks?
thats quite a creepy picture..not smiling , wierd angle..odd.
I always find the video clip of her in tje Snow White dress that often gets shown weird too..it looks like shes swearing (F£$k) and theres no sound.
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The angle of the photo looks as though someone's taking it from below her looking up. So she's there and they're kneeling with the camera pointing up. I think. It's so odd.
I also think her pupils look really funny in that photo too. She looks... dazed. Sleepy looking.
I also think her pupils look really funny in that photo too. She looks... dazed. Sleepy looking.
The makeup photo was very controversial. Journalist Mark William Thomas even publicly commented about how inappropriate it was.
I do think they makeup has been applied. She looks like she has eyeliner on. She certainly didnt do it herself. And I question why it has been cropped so much. The background does look like it's on holiday, with the colour of the wall and possible blue chair.
It was also released alongside 2 other images which didnt help matters.
I do think they makeup has been applied. She looks like she has eyeliner on. She certainly didnt do it herself. And I question why it has been cropped so much. The background does look like it's on holiday, with the colour of the wall and possible blue chair.
It was also released alongside 2 other images which didnt help matters.
The makeup photo is an odd choice of photo to choose to release. If you were worried that your child had been taken by a sex offender, why release a photo that could be construed as sexualising her? It doesn’t make any sense and it is difficult to look at.
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