Lucy Letby Case

[Theyeahyeahs]

I’m a right nosy bastard and love a good online stalk, however, I would find no satisfaction from looking up parents of poor dead babies on Facebook. Withholding their names from the public is the right decision and as morbidly curious as I am, I wouldn’t go looking for those names.

Her searching these people up in quick succession does sound like she’s ‘checking in’ on her victims but you could also put that behaviour down to morbid curiosity. It doesn’t look good though does it? I guess the defence could come in really strong and change my thinking.

I know she’s not been found guilty but with cases like this I always find the pure audacity of someone to think they have the right to end a life extremely maddening. This case is so sad and not sure I have the stomach to read through what each child went through before they passed away.

 

[Mardymermaid]

The fact the collapse rate shifted to match the day shift pattern when she switched from the nights where most of the collapses where occurring is quite a lot to chalk up to mere coincidence imo.

 

[Skyeball]

Our family has experience of a micro preemie. Sadly, dreadfully and life altering the little one didn't make it.
Insulin was often administered on NICU as their little pancreas didn't work on its own.
I don't want to spiral with this, but it does make me wonder, was it preventable. I've never thought that before. My thoughts are with the parents and our family's lost little one today

 

[Chunkeylaydee]

Starting a thread for the trial of Lucy Letby. Trial due to start on the 4th October. Very Little news coverage so far probably to not prejudice the trial. RIP to those babies.

Lucy Letby: Nurse accused of murdering babies appears in court

Lucy Letby, 32, is alleged to have killed five boys and two girls while working on a neo-natal unit.

www.bbc.com

 

[Takemetoyourbuffet]

I go for one meeting and come back to 5 pages of unread thread! How am I supposed to hold down a full time job and follow this case!

 

[Be More Pacific]

IF all this can be proved, and it is still a big IF right now, then it seems like it was a very deliberate, determined and calculated campaign.

 

[candyland_]

I can’t imagine how she can be a scapegoat when each attempt was so close together.

 

[Be More Pacific]

Only if you go looking for them. I personally haven’t and won’t and I imagine the majority of people reading articles about the case wouldn’t. I imagine once the case is over they might release the names and maybe photos and we might hear from the families.

Interestingly, my OH, who is a magistrate, seemed horrified when I said the alleged victims are not being named now due to a reporting restriction. In his opinion, they should never have been named. His words? "Someone really dropped the ball there" but didn't explain why as he was heading off to work - I was lucky to snatch five minutes of his time to talk about the case

So I thought about this a lot yesterday. I remember quickly glancing at the names when they were published and that was about it to be honest. I've never tried to find them again but I know they're out there.

Even being the self confessed social media stalker that I am, I can honestly say it has never crossed my mind to try and look up any of these bereaved families. I view social media to explore relationships and motives. Well, we know the relationship here - nurse/patient - and looking up the parents wouldn't help with finding out the motive in any way because I'm pretty sure LL didn't tell them (I never looked at her social media either actually) Bottom line - it would add nothing and be a waste of my own time. More importantly, it just feels all wrong - it's way too intrusive and a line that even I'm not personally willing to cross. It's just ghoulish.

But you can bet your life some people have. And if they have, then the press definitely have - probably contacted them for comment or "their story" and maybe they've even had some nasty messages because some people, as we know, are just awful human beings.

So, I'm inclined to agree with him. We don't actually need to know do we? As I said earlier in the thread, all the parties concerned in this trial know who the alleged victims are and that's all that matters.

I think your idea is nice. Tributes and maybe photographs after the trial.

 

[Parsnipface]

This one is heartbreaking.
I'm going to be very invested in this and hope those babies and their families are given justice.
I suspect she did it and this isn't a hosptial cover up if I'm honest, but I really hope I'm wrong cos nobody wants to imagine anyone is capable of this.

 

[Parsnipface]

I said something on here and I didnt articulate it how I wanted to.
I basically was prying into LL's possible mental state.
What I was trying to say is when BA killed her victims it wasn't because she wanted to kill the children, that wasn't her motive. Her motive was the attention she got from being super nurse, she has a very extreme problem with getting attention and doing whatever she can for that attention. The murdering wasn't relevant to her. Those babas were collateral damage to her getting praised.

I suppose what I'm interested to see is what would LL have gotten from murdering these babies?
Was the motive sexual, was it plain psychopathic and she just wanted to kill? Was it sympathy from others that babies in her care died and it was taking its toll?

We know how some teachers have fucked up intentions, let's be fair loads of us will remember the teacher that dropped his pencil when walking past the pretty girls.
I want to know if she did this what did she gain, was she wanting to be a shipmanesque killer, fame, notoriety?

Nobody normal fucking kills anyone and babies especially, they've no voice or any comprehension. Did she seek that profession to cause harm? Maybe she had either some kind of reason like BA, the munchausen thing and the killing was irrelevant to her but she became almost addicted to doing it.

I just would like a reason as to why she would, if she did, do something so abhorrent.

I'm also wondering, the level of ineptitude that the countess must have had for that many seemingly avoidable deaths? Because I'm not ruling the scapegoat theory out at all.

Thanks for nice responses to my little wobble yesterday and I'm happy to meet such respectful people on this thread x

 

[maytoseptember]

IF (saying IF) she is found guilty, I think depending on the circumstances that it might show the hospital failures resulted in a lapse of safeguarding protection which allowed someone to take the opportunity to harm patients (say if they relaxed a two staff at all times type of rule). However I don’t know if they would be held accountable in a criminal way or if there would just be resignations/improvements put in. I don’t recall seeing David Fuller’s hospital being held accountable in any way (although I haven’t followed it closely) and his crimes were horrific.

Thats a very good point. If LL is found guilty on most/all counts, that doesn’t even mean the hospital are off the hook. For a nurse to have the opportunity to give babies overdoses/the wrong drugs/meddle with machinery (time will tell which methods were allegedly used) then it’s disturbing to think it went unnoticed by colleagues.

 

[Ittybittytittyclub]

oh God I feel bad for laughing at that

I think we all chuckled at the quick wit of it, no one is laughing at what has happened or the seriousness of it all. Don’t feel bad

 

[marypoppins21]

Just a thought for those on here & on the fb page, if you want to remain anonymous don’t cross post. It happened on the star Hobson case I seem to recall & caused a poster some hassle. Interested to see how this trial progresses.

 

[Tofino]

Most parents love their children unconditionally. My son is only 5 so I’ve not really had to deal with behaviours I don’t condone. But I think I would still love him even if he did awful things. I think as a parent unless there was history you would just not be able to comprehend that your child would be capable of such things. I just can’t imagine the position of being a parent in that situation at all. I really don’t know how I would cope or what I would think.

 

[I’mThankyou_]

Someone did ask but there is little girls in the charges as well.

It's also heavily medically researched that boys tend to deal with NICU and prematurity worse than girls. So this could of also been a reason why there *could* be more male victims than female

 

[Hereforthegossss]

Omg the two babies who were poisoned with insulin we're each a twin from separate families - they were saved

Then one of the other twin siblings was killed too - this is SICK

 

[e.l.lofthouse]

Ong just awfull one baby she tried to kill more than 3 times before successfully killing them

She hasn't been convicted yet... are people not keeping an open mind now?

 

[Felix08]

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There’s no reason any paperwork should leave the hospital is there?

No! But I have been guilty of this. Not placing it in the correct bin after shift, placing it in my bag for it to end up home. Yet I took it back to hospital the next shift to place it in the right paper bin. Also I didnt murder those patients. The fact that she has one of the baby that died, says enough.

 

[Tofino]

I have nurse friends who have said the same . They don't know her or work in the same hospital but they have all said she's been made a scapegoat.

What information do they have that makes them come to that conclusion?

I’m not saying I think Lucy is guilty because I have literally no idea as we have not heard any evidence yet, but I’m just astounded that so many people have firmly made their minds up.

 

[Tofino]

The thing I find the most baffling is that she stopped.

She (allegedly) goes on this killing spree during 2015-2016 and then stops for 2 years, before her arrest in 2018.

That seems very unusual, usually people who get a thrill from killing (for whatever reason) start with their first killing where they are incredibly careful. Then there’s usually a long gap where they decide they won’t ever do it again. Then they do. Then they realise that murders are quite easy to get away with and they ramp it up a gear. Then they start being careless and that’s when they are caught.

She seems to have committed all of these crimes in quite short succession and then just… stopped? Was an internal investigation started at this point? What happened to make her stop?

I thought she stopped because she was taken off nursing duties. So she wouldn’t have had opportunity.