Lucy Letby Case

[Lucyxxxx]

Just a thought for those on here & on the fb page, if you want to remain anonymous don’t cross post. It happened on the star Hobson case I seem to recall & caused a poster some hassle. Interested to see how this trial progresses.

Remember that poster who seemed normal and came on one night being really weird and doxxed someone else on the thread.

 

[CoffeeandCookies]

Lurked on this forum for the Archie Battersbee case and thought the threads were great for updates and lots of insightful comments.
I’m invested in this trial and looks like we will be here for 6 months or more so thought I better create an account.
Keeping an open mind as to the verdict so far but the start of the prosecution case so far looks concerning!

 

[QueenKoala]

There are so so many reasons why the trial may be adjourned. We used to get it with the newly appointment jury members.. for example if one decides a day too late that actually yes they do know the defendant or one of the witnesses (this can be quite tough especially with a lot of witnesses involved) or with jury sickness etc.

I’ve had cases adjourned for days on end for “legal discussions” and it ended with the defendant pleading guilty. Other trials overrunning or them needing to use the court rooms on a Monday for all of the crimes committed over the weekend, so that sets things back too.

And one case of the defendant “not getting out of bed on time”- yes this did happen, apparently they can’t be hauled out of bed anymore, even for something as bloody important as a trial

Then you’ve got people changing statements, adding to their statements. And so on and so forth.You’ve got to be in these trials for the long haul.

 

[candyland_]

Is candyland still around these parts somewhere?

You’ve missed my comments on this thread?

 

[Hyacinthsquash]

Devastating trial. Haven’t managed to go back and read all the thread but have caught snippets here and there. I wonder if she murdered these babies because she didn’t feel the parents deserved them? If she had some fertility issues herself l? I just cannot understand it, especially then searching the families on Facebook. Will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.

 

[BigBrenda]

I'm sure it turned out it was mis reported and she hadn't left them alone. Something like that.

They was left on their own. And nothing still hasn’t been done. No one speaks about it openly and it’s all very secretive. The house is still exactly how it’s been left as well and still frightening the kids that walk past it daily on the school run.

 

[e.l.lofthouse]

This post is terrifying. Let's hope you're never chosen to sit on a jury. There should be an IQ test for those who sit on a jury.

Sadly too many people do not understand anything about our legal system, or the very basic principles that require to be followed.

Just throw away the key without the need for a trial or the testing evidence eh?

It's very scary. In my book, she's innocent until proven guilty regardless of what they have on her BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW what they have. So cannot make any other decision.

You're so right.

 

[Ali88]

Those with nurse/insulin knowledge, what’s the likelihood of human error/incompetence if it was prescribed and the wrong dose given? Is this basic 101 stuff for nurses or could it be possible to make repeated mistakes if the hospital failures meant there were no 2 nurse checks?

Just echoing what others have said really but drug errors could happen but I’d struggle to see how it would occur continually as a mistake on the one ward over a short period multiple times. In my 12 years qualified I give insulin most days and I’ve known 3 nurses in this time who’ve administered too much in error, mainly due to prescriber’s poor handwriting on the drug administration chart making it appear like a different dosage (the patients were fine and the nurse alerts the manager that they’ve made an error). I think electronic kardexes are more a thing now in hospitals to eliminate the chance of error. Drug errors do happen and it’s registered nurses worst nightmare but it’s reported and rectified, you reflect on your practice etc and tend not to make that mistake ever again!

 

[yellowboat]

Air embolisms are so rare within paediatrics! I’ve never come across it. You would have to push a lot of air in? Naturally you get some bubbles in infusion lines and that’s fine but goodness that’s made me feel a bit sick

 

[Takemetoyourbuffet]

I suspect the reason the Judge put a restriction on the naming of victims and their families is to stop the media hounding the families for their side.

Apparently the press were on the families doorsteps immediately after the names were published. Also some of those attempted murder victims are of school age now. Imagine having to explain to your child why the press are hounding them, or worse still hearing about what allegedly happened to them in their infancy on the school playground.
The press are truly awful but those names should never have been allowed to go public in the first place.

 

[Hollie Day]

Let's hope we don't have those who try and turn this thread into an echo chamber like Star's thread. Everyone should have their say without being chased away. Cliques always tend to ruin threads.

 

[Tofino]

This timeline of the murders and attempted murders comes from the YouTube video linked below.
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What’s interesting with the timeline, as explained in the video, is that the attempted murder on 17th Feb 2016 and then the murder on 20th Feb 2016 is supposedly the same infant. And in another infant there were two attempts on the same day (9th April 2016). That feels very specific, like they have identified a certain action that took place that would be considered attempted murder or, sadly, resulted in death. Especially the one that is twice on the same day. But then on some other attempts it’s a date range.

I am really intrigued what evidence will come out to support this timeline. I’m assuming at this stage that the timeline is true, I’ve not verified it myself.

 

[stardust1]

From my experience, both in a ward setting and my children being in NICU prescription errors aren't uncommon. One of my babies was incorrectly prescribed caffeine and was given a higher dose than their weight indicated, and I've seen it at work. Nurses normally notice this before administering the drug and omit that round till its represcribed correctly.
That being said if you are short staffed and behind on your work you may miss this error and in turn something fatal may happen.

my son was also prescribed too much morphine whilst in NICU. He went into respiratory arrest. I must admit tho they pulled emergency buzzer extremely quickly and they also did an investigation into what went wrong which we signed. After that experience it is why I struggle to see how no one noticed.

 

[Be More Pacific]

She shouldn't have received anonymity when she was charged.

However, the media should also not have named her two years BEFORE she was charged and be able to trawl through her social media and publish photographs of her, her house, her address, taken photographs of her reporting for bail etc etc. I'm from Chester originally and know exactly where her house is - it's about half a mile away from where I grew up.

That is what I have a real issue with and I don't know how they have been allowed to get away with doing it again. It makes me so angry. I have no doubt that is why the judge has imposed such stringent reporting restrictions.

Can someone with some legal know how answer this please? Surely for the process to be fair and transparent we would need to know who she is charged with murdering? Idk if I can ever recall a murder trial where the victims identity was held back? I don't think the law cares too much about families feelings so I doubt it's to not upset anyone. What legal reason do they have to not identify the victims?

As has already been said on this thread, all the victims were named in open court early on. They now can't be named for legal reasons. I'm confident this is due to a reporting restriction issued by the judge because of the high profile nature of the case and the media's behaviour.

I imagine it will be lifted once the trial is underway.

All the parties involved know the identity of the alleged victims and that's all that matters.

It’s an interesting discussion, but I do wonder how many people would think Wayne Couzens should have had anonymity? He was technically innocent until proven guilty too? (I appreciate he pleaded guilty but we all knew who he was before that). I think if you feel it should be one rule for one person and another for someone else then you have got to question your biases.

No, he shouldn't have had anonymity when he was charged but, again, the press should not have been able to name both him and his wife, trawl through their social media accounts and publish photographs of them before he was charged (or afterwards either) She was never charged in the end yet her face was all over the media. It's absolutely fucking appalling.

 

[Chunkeylaydee]

I suspect the reason the Judge put a restriction on the naming of victims and their families is to stop the media hounding the families for their side. I know that when a parent I worked with appeared as a witness in a murder trial, she kept finding the media camped out on her doorstep. She found it very distressing and ended up refusing to appear in a documentary about the case. We actually had to call the police because they were hanging around outside the school gates looking for her.

 

[acsunderland]

Only controlled drugs usually are locked away and signed for in a seperate book. The trust I work for and many more you don’t sign out insulin, although you’d document that it’s been given on patients’ medication administration sheets within their notes at the time it’s prescribed etc.

They may make changes to the security of insulin from now on if that’s the babies cause of death

 

[Sunshinegal]

Following this thread but first time commenting

I know a woman who did this to their baby, or apparently did. If I remember rightly the baby was about one but then I'm unsure if she'd done it before as I remember her saying about her being unwell quite often, but you assume they mean with a bug or something!
I worked with her, I knew she'd had mental health issues as she talked about it a lota and and I felt for her, but she seemed happy when I knew her and she would say her baby saved her. Her daughter seemed to have helped her start her life again which I thought was amazing, she seemed a great mum, and talked about her baby all the time. She did talk about her diabetes as she was type 1.

I know one night she messaged another colleague asking what she'd do if her baby was not responding and strange things like that. Of course she said take her to hospital! But at work she would come in and just say she was fine when they next saw her.
I wasn't aware of this at first.

She then disappeared and her daughter was in hospital. It all went quiet and nobody really knew what had gone on as she never came back and all was quiet. I didn't know if she was suffering with her mental health again, but she carried on posting her daughter on social media as normal.
She was on the work schedule for a long time, a long time after that it turned out it was because she wasn't allowed back until it was all sorted and she was cleared (health care setting)

So it turned out that her daughter had been taken off her as the hospital said she was ill from insulin poisoning. Of course my colleague denied doing this but I'm gathering they must have found it in her system?

She never came back to work, since had another child which has been taken away from her. I do wonder what happened with police, but obviously social services stepped in and she obviously wasn't allowed back to work.

It's terrible all round. I do wonder if she was doing it for the attention that she got if her daughter was ill or something.
Different circumstances I know but thought I'd share.

 

[catlady29]

The Facebook searches, id find it far more strange and incriminating if she's searched them up before coming under suspicion, if after, I think yea it'd be quite plausible that she'd have a nosy. I think when she searched them up will be an important factor.

 

[LittleMissOnions]

I bet he's not! Good at working a jury though. I will reserve my opinions on the verdict of that particular case.

KC just seems so weird. Still not fully used to the national anthem yet either

My friend is/was a QC, within 24hrs of HM death chambers had changed all his details to KC and he said if another f**ker messaged him to ask him if ‘that’s they way he likes it’ he would punch them, I replied ‘please don’t go’ and that they would soon ‘give it up’ we haven’t spoken since

 

[Squittel]

Agree that this whole case is extremely odd. I’ve found the lack of press about it quite strange, usually the tabloids would be positively frothing at the mouth to dig their claws into a baby killer but it’s been very chilled out with an article every few months and a very slow process to bring to court.

There’s either a lot more to this story than meets the eye, or a lot less!