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That's interesting - is it in the "Conviction" documentary? Neena Modi's pretty much destroyed the panel anyway by agreeing with Dewi that there was air embolism - but this would be another nail in it's coffin.
I think it's mentioned in the new DM article about Letby potentially harming 100 other babies.
 
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And right on cue, as I suspected, the death of Lucia De Berk is being used as a tactic to imply Letby is a MOJ. The sun have a quite sickening article from local nut job Dickie Gill stating that we need to get Letby out of prison incase she dies behind bars. God forbid poor Letby suffers any medical episodes behind bars, Gill is very fearful about it.

These people walk amongst us and they are certified fruit loops. It's obviously quite catching, 2 minutes on Mumsnet confirms this
 
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That's interesting - is it in the "Conviction" documentary? Neena Modi's pretty much destroyed the panel anyway by agreeing with Dewi that there was air embolism - but this would be another nail in it's coffin.
Doesn't she/the truthers explain it away by saying it all happened during resuscitation efforts though? Even though AE naturally occurring is supposed to be super rare...
 
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Doesn't she/the truthers explain it away by saying it all happened during resuscitation efforts though? Even though AE naturally occurring is supposed to be super rare...
Yes they've moved the goalposts now Neena Modi's sabotaged the panel. But Letby's defence spent a trial and appeal denying any evidence of air embolism in the babies. It was supposed to be something Dewi invented. Modi's blown that out of the water.
 
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And right on cue, as I suspected, the death of Lucia De Berk is being used as a tactic to imply Letby is a MOJ.
When people invoke Lucia de Berk to try and suggest Letby might be in the same shoes, it makes me wonder if they've read anything at all about de Berk's case. The two are light years apart.

De Berk was convicted of poisoning one baby because his blood contained abnormally high levels of digoxin and de Berk happened to be working l on the day he died. She also had a key to the drugs cupboard. After her conviction, a doctor who reviewed the baby's notes discovered that he had been prescribed an abnormally high dose of the drug by his own doctor, and the explicit medical instructions were to give him extra doses if he seemed unsettled. De Berk had followed the prescription. She hadn't set out to do anything else. Other convictions hinged on very poor quality statistics provided by someone whose highest stats qualification was an undergrad degree, so hardly expert standard.

If Letby had given surplus insulin to a baby who had actually been prescribed it, at an abnormal dose written on the prescription, then this conversation would be very different. But she didn't. And none of her convictions are based on stats, let alone the statistical reasoning of someone whose highest qualification is a BSc.

It's also worth noting that Richard Gill overinflates his contribution to de Berk's exoneration. The flaws in the prosecution's case were initially identified by Dr Metta de Noo when she examined the relevant medical records, assisted by her brother, a university professor. Her brother wasn't a statistician by training and he wanted to get some professional statisticians in to check that his numbers were correct, but from the way Gill presents himself to the press you'd think he discovered it all by himself.
 
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Colin Campbell, nurse serial killer using insulin poisoning, who has been discussed here before, is at the Court of Appeal tomorrow seeking leave to have his case heard by the Supreme Court. His appeals were dismissed in June.
 
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Colin Campbell, nurse serial killer using insulin poisoning, who has been discussed here before, is at the Court of Appeal tomorrow seeking leave to have his case heard by the Supreme Court. His appeals were dismissed in June.
Yes, how many goes does he get? He was pretty emphatically rejected recently
 
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Yes, how many goes does he get? He was pretty emphatically rejected recently
If he doesn't get permission from the Court of Appeal he can still appeal directly to the Supreme Court. It will be a surprise if he gets permission.
 
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I read this review about the new conviction film on Reddit. Why do the Truthers think Dr Dewi Evans is solely responsible for Letby being convicted? He just came up with a theory and then specialist doctors analysed the medical records and found the evidence. The defence tested this evidence by recruiting their own experts who largely agreed with Dr Evans. The Truthers just seem to ignore all the other medical professionals involved.
 

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I read this review about the new conviction film on Reddit. Why do the Truthers think Dr Dewi Evans is solely responsible for Letby being convicted? He just came up with a theory and then specialist doctors analysed the medical records and found the evidence. The defence tested this evidence by recruiting their own experts who largely agreed with Dr Evans. The Truthers just seem to ignore all the other medical professionals involved.
It’s just become a pissing contest for some people. Medical experts and Letby fans alike.
 
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Good old Sarah Knapton - there's no story she won't try to misrepresent in Letby's favour
What a vile cow, she's worded that to make the headline sound like parents from the actual trial are having doubts.

What is wrong with them. All they do is just spread misinformation. Must have really pained her seeing that article a few days before, so she rewrites it in Letbys favour
 
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I read this review about the new conviction film on Reddit. Why do the Truthers think Dr Dewi Evans is solely responsible for Letby being convicted? He just came up with a theory and then specialist doctors analysed the medical records and found the evidence. The defence tested this evidence by recruiting their own experts who largely agreed with Dr Evans. The Truthers just seem to ignore all the other medical professionals involved.
The flat earthers don't appear to be very happy about it from what I've seen, which is good news.
 
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I read this review about the new conviction film on Reddit. Why do the Truthers think Dr Dewi Evans is solely responsible for Letby being convicted? He just came up with a theory and then specialist doctors analysed the medical records and found the evidence. The defence tested this evidence by recruiting their own experts who largely agreed with Dr Evans. The Truthers just seem to ignore all the other medical professionals involved.
If they think the claimed status of the panel experts is going to carry any weight going forward they are in for a shock. They all claim there was no air embolism then Neena Modi comes out and says there was - instantly vindicating Dewi Evan's work.
 
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If they think the claimed status of the panel experts is going to carry any weight going forward they are in for a shock. They all claim there was no air embolism then Neena Modi comes out and says there was - instantly vindicating Dewi Evan's work.
Where did Neena Modi say this? I’m only following this thread now so I’ve missed it but it’s been mentioned a couple of times now.
 
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Where did Neena Modi say this? I’m only following this thread now so I’ve missed it but it’s been mentioned a couple of times now.


"We know these babies suffered air embolism because of the post-mortem imaging in some of them," says Neena Modi, a professor of neonatal medicine.

She believes this is highly likely to have occurred during resuscitation, and that there are much more plausible explanations for the collapses and deaths of the babies in the Letby case than air embolism


This comes after 2 years of Letby's defence and supporters saying there was no evidence of air embolism.
 
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