End of thread 60/beginning of 61 for verdict reactions. Would love your insight into being at the court if you feel like sharing!Signals been a joke and I broke my charger hole by putting my phone in the sea (thought iPhones were waterproof) so itās been temperamental
im on my way home, kids back at school on Monday canāt wait to read back to when the news came out. Does anyone know the thread number? Anything anyone wants to ask? Etc I feel out the loop
I was typing whilst you wrote this but this is exactly what I was wanting to say, you just said it better
Haha not at all! I totally agree with what you said.I was typing whilst you wrote this but this is exactly what I was wanting to say, you just said it better
Thatās a really good video, thank you.I've been following this guy's youtube (journalist?) for a while now. He attended the full trial so has a very solid first hand experience of the case, plus has done a lot of research. His latest video breaks down what the green note actually says and condemns the sleuths for misinterpreting it.
But the most interesting thing he says is that these notes, and in particular, the green note, were of very little importance to the case. Maybe 5mins in total of questioning out of 50 hours, so the prosecution case was not remotely based on the notes. Also, the green note in particular was barely mentioned in court. The yellow(?) note, where LL writes as if the triplets are all dead, although one is alive, was a more crucial part of the enquiry.
He also praised Tattlers and the wikiSo HI THERE - I'm a fan of your videos!
Here is the link for anyone that wants to watch it.
I recommend all of his other videos too for a fully unbiased view of the case from beginning to end.
hiya Crime Scene 2 Court Room babe! You should have joined us over here! Do you like Turkish Delight and are you ginger?She must be the unluckiest bleep on earth.āThe note might have been important if you read The Sunā
Great take down of the utter misinformation being spread by the loons. I think for me, the significance of the notes has always been that.. they only knew she was there at each of these unexplainable and sudden deaths/near deaths when they began investigating, then they discover all the forensic evidence of harm (babies full of air splinting their diaphragms or in their greater vessels, right by the catheter site), horrible injuries, unexplained bleeding, then on top of that two indisputable poisonings on her shift.. and when they finally make their arrest itās there written on paper āIām evil. I killed them on purposeā, placed and kept within a diary, in a room full of confidential paperwork, with the babies from the case collated and stored together in a bag. Itās just inconceivable that anyone can think thatās a poor unfortunate set of events.
Bird tit is supposed to be good luck thoughShe must be the unluckiest bleep on earth.
I think Iām the second unluckiest though. I fell, and a bird shat on me today.
Hope youāve had a good holiday nosy! Iād love to hear more about your experience in court and around the time of the verdicts.Signals been a joke and I broke my charger hole by putting my phone in the sea (thought iPhones were waterproof
im on my way home, kids back at school on Monday canāt wait to read back to when the news came out. Does anyone know the thread number? Anything anyone wants to ask? Etc I feel out the loop
Oh I hope so, it canāt get much worse surelyBird tit is supposed to be good luck though
she used to be really nice to one of the court regulars, say hi etc to him, then got him into a corner and asked if he was LLās friend, when he said no a law student she never spoke to him again except to moan at him once. She had a go at most people in court 8 at one point or another. Donāt get me wrong it mustāve been horrific for them but it did seem odd. She took photos of the press too and collared them if she wasnāt happy with what theyād written about her. Apple doesnāt fall far from the tree and I can see where LL gets her narky side from im afraid.
I agree with this wholeheartedly but the problem with NHS managers is that there are very, very few with a background in any other industry. If youāre only recruiting from a very small pool the mediocre are over promoted. The NHS needs to be a much more attractive employer and recruitment needs to spread its net far wider.
Goodness me, this is a brilliant post. Really brings it home how hard it must have been for you, the jury, the families, everyone, especially the not being able to talk about it bit. I do feel anger for Letbys mother though, all that crying and wailing. She MUST have known Letby was guilty. I have no doubt there will be a second trial and hopefully the no verdict charges can be retried. There's so much more to come out with this. But well done you, we've lived the updates you've been allowed to give us.Court in general has been the weirdest, heartbreaking, yet interesting time.
There were so many odd things that happened mainly to do with LLās mum, she had a massive argument with Jan one day shouting at her in the corridor shouting āyou just stick up for them again thenā meaning the prosecution
In general, the police the crown prosecution etc have all been incredible, you couldnāt ask for a better team, Iām actually missing court days already. And made friends - how bizarre!
The babies families I have nothing but the hugest respect, the dignity, and strength theyāve shown is incredible. All I can say is you donāt know how strong you can be till strong is all you can be, they all seemed to lean on each other too which was lovely. Itās all for them
The verdicts jeez
I arrived about an hour after the first ones. I walked in and it just felt āoffā I had to be warned that anything I may hear cannot be repeated and that Iād be in contempt of court and possibly face a 2 year sentence hence why I came off here altogether. It was the strangest feeling. Happy for the right result for the insulin babies. But I was more in shock that after all that time theyād only reached 2 verdicts. We all thought it was going to be a longgggg wait. Thatās why he offered them a majority verdict I think. At the same time we all thought that theyād done the hard part, theyād said someone was harming babies. They said it was her so with cross inference they shouldāve followed. But nothing for 3 more days. Jammy Radnor blabbed on fb! Iāve never reported something as quick in my life, also heads up they have a social media team working 24/7 monitoring every single comment on here and fb and reddit etc etc
So Fridayā¦ I got the train with @O'lee but I needed my lunch so grabbed a sandwich and walked into court for 1pm start then he said he was going to ask for anymore verdicts my jaw mustāve been on the floor I wasnāt expecting it at all. I could barely breathe. The official said in an almost town crier voice āitās been x hours and x minutesā then asks them in order on count 1 have you reached a verdict then the Forman said yes or no, on the ones he said yes they then say on the count of the murder of Mickey Mouse do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty and they said guilty and honestly I was so tense, I realised after I was holding my hands so hard over my face I had left marks, it was relief scared, happy sad and everything inbetween there was 6 verdicts that day and they became a blur. 4 were murder 2 were attempted. After a couple of the verdicts there was this wailing crying guttural sobbing, it could be heard above everything else, I couldnāt tell who it was it was horrific, I was filling up in shock it was the most surreal horrific moment. LL left, so I knew the noise wasnāt her, the babies families left and then I realised it was LLās mum. I left the courtroom as her mum left so I ran back in. It was awful we all split up needed some time for it to sink in and have a little moment. Apparently one of the babies parents put their fingers in their ears and walked out.
Afterwards I felt awful for them, that was their moment and instead of being about them it was all about LLās mum. I get that sheās upset and horrified but she still has her daughter! Those poor babies families donāt!!! And they shouldāve had their moment their justiceā¦
It was horrific I donāt even have the words for how it felt like even though I went on the fence and then thought she was guilty itās the finalness the fact like she really is a serial killer. Iāve sat and looked at this cold narky woman and sheās actually killed these babies. LL saw the first 2 lots of verdicts but then she didnāt come to any of the end of day court sessions only mornings. Judge asked BM about it he said he would find out. Then that was it the low life scum never ever came back out not even in the mornings! She hid in her cell with her comfort blankets and wouldnāt come up. The last power she had and she used it! Sheās sick!
The week after there was more verdicts, I missed those first ones. On the Thursday they were asked again and gave 2 more verdicts and were asked if they thought they would be able to reach verdicts on the others and they thought āmaybeā
Friday came and the video of her being arrested was leaked and it seemed suddenly tense and we were called in again, they were asked if they had anymore verdicts, they didnāt he asked them if given more time they could reach Verdicts and they said no, that was itā¦ one heartbroken family ran out, that was the hardest part. All along I thought the Verdict would be a good job well done moment, but without answers for some it wasnātā¦ I wish theyād all got an ending, some closure, it was awful. I actually donāt understand with cross inference how they didnāt find all guiltyās if Iām honest and it felt cruel to the NG or no verdict parents. But thatās the law thatās how it works and I really do think theyāve done a thorough job.
That was it he let the jury go and thanked them and it ended. The press knew it was coming I had to get out I needed air it was horrifically sad the press were all filming already we waited around to hear what they had to say in the press conference and then we went to a cafe and talked for the first time in the open, it was hard not being able to offload even to family before then. We all pretty much felt the same glad for the right results in the guiltys but we couldnāt shake the sadness for the other familiesā¦
I went on holiday before sentencing, but cried my eyes out listening to the pod and watching the sentencing.
Even 2 weeks on I canāt get my head around it all, not sure I ever will. She seems so ānormalā from a distance.
I have no doubts thereāll be a part 2ā¦ it blows my mind that she actually exists, like she actually did it, like I knew she had from seeing and hearing her but actually seeing in person the true evil that she is is incomprehensible.
Taking her freedom isnāt enough. Those poor defenceless babies
I mean it was hard but nothing compared to the families. I mean sheās been overheard saying she was just there, as if to say thereās no other proof, but saying I did it take me, makes me think deep down she knew, letās be real as a parent you wouldnāt want to allow yourself to think it till you had to. It was nice to be able to let it out tbh, and another case I followed there was people who told us everything from court and I found it so interesting so was glad to pay it forward
Thank you so much for sharing this. I feel emotional reading it, so I canāt even begin to imagine how you must have felt living it.Court in general has been the weirdest, heartbreaking, yet interesting time.
There were so many odd things that happened mainly to do with LLās mum, she had a massive argument with Jan one day shouting at her in the corridor shouting āyou just stick up for them again thenā meaning the prosecution
In general, the police the crown prosecution etc have all been incredible, you couldnāt ask for a better team, Iām actually missing court days already. And made friends - how bizarre!
The babies families I have nothing but the hugest respect, the dignity, and strength theyāve shown is incredible. All I can say is you donāt know how strong you can be till strong is all you can be, they all seemed to lean on each other too which was lovely. Itās all for them
The verdicts jeez
I arrived about an hour after the first ones. I walked in and it just felt āoffā I had to be warned that anything I may hear cannot be repeated and that Iād be in contempt of court and possibly face a 2 year sentence hence why I came off here altogether. It was the strangest feeling. Happy for the right result for the insulin babies. But I was more in shock that after all that time theyād only reached 2 verdicts. We all thought it was going to be a longgggg wait. Thatās why he offered them a majority verdict I think. At the same time we all thought that theyād done the hard part, theyād said someone was harming babies. They said it was her so with cross inference they shouldāve followed. But nothing for 3 more days. Jammy Radnor blabbed on fb! Iāve never reported something as quick in my life, also heads up they have a social media team working 24/7 monitoring every single comment on here and fb and reddit etc etc
So Fridayā¦ I got the train with @O'lee but I needed my lunch so grabbed a sandwich and walked into court for 1pm start then he said he was going to ask for anymore verdicts my jaw mustāve been on the floor I wasnāt expecting it at all. I could barely breathe. The official said in an almost town crier voice āitās been x hours and x minutesā then asks them in order on count 1 have you reached a verdict then the Forman said yes or no, on the ones he said yes they then say on the count of the murder of Mickey Mouse do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty and they said guilty and honestly I was so tense, I realised after I was holding my hands so hard over my face I had left marks, it was relief scared, happy sad and everything inbetween there was 6 verdicts that day and they became a blur. 4 were murder 2 were attempted. After a couple of the verdicts there was this wailing crying guttural sobbing, it could be heard above everything else, I couldnāt tell who it was it was horrific, I was filling up in shock it was the most surreal horrific moment. LL left, so I knew the noise wasnāt her, the babies families left and then I realised it was LLās mum. I left the courtroom as her mum left so I ran back in. It was awful we all split up needed some time for it to sink in and have a little moment. Apparently one of the babies parents put their fingers in their ears and walked out.
Afterwards I felt awful for them, that was their moment and instead of being about them it was all about LLās mum. I get that sheās upset and horrified but she still has her daughter! Those poor babies families donāt!!! And they shouldāve had their moment their justiceā¦
It was horrific I donāt even have the words for how it felt like even though I went on the fence and then thought she was guilty itās the finalness the fact like she really is a serial killer. Iāve sat and looked at this cold narky woman and sheās actually killed these babies. LL saw the first 2 lots of verdicts but then she didnāt come to any of the end of day court sessions only mornings. Judge asked BM about it he said he would find out. Then that was it the low life scum never ever came back out not even in the mornings! She hid in her cell with her comfort blankets and wouldnāt come up. The last power she had and she used it! Sheās sick!
The week after there was more verdicts, I missed those first ones. On the Thursday they were asked again and gave 2 more verdicts and were asked if they thought they would be able to reach verdicts on the others and they thought āmaybeā
Friday came and the video of her being arrested was leaked and it seemed suddenly tense and we were called in again, they were asked if they had anymore verdicts, they didnāt he asked them if given more time they could reach Verdicts and they said no, that was itā¦ one heartbroken family ran out, that was the hardest part. All along I thought the Verdict would be a good job well done moment, but without answers for some it wasnātā¦ I wish theyād all got an ending, some closure, it was awful. I actually donāt understand with cross inference how they didnāt find all guiltyās if Iām honest and it felt cruel to the NG or no verdict parents. But thatās the law thatās how it works and I really do think theyāve done a thorough job.
That was it he let the jury go and thanked them and it ended. The press knew it was coming I had to get out I needed air it was horrifically sad the press were all filming already we waited around to hear what they had to say in the press conference and then we went to a cafe and talked for the first time in the open, it was hard not being able to offload even to family before then. We all pretty much felt the same glad for the right results in the guiltys but we couldnāt shake the sadness for the other familiesā¦
I went on holiday before sentencing, but cried my eyes out listening to the pod and watching the sentencing.
Even 2 weeks on I canāt get my head around it all, not sure I ever will. She seems so ānormalā from a distance.
I have no doubts thereāll be a part 2ā¦ it blows my mind that she actually exists, like she actually did it, like I knew she had from seeing and hearing her but actually seeing in person the true evil that she is is incomprehensible.
Taking her freedom isnāt enough. Those poor defenceless babies
hope you join us again soon and that youāre okay xHasnāt he got a lovely voice?āThe note might have been important if you read The Sunā
Great take down of the utter misinformation being spread by the loons. I think for me, the significance of the notes has always been that.. they only knew she was there at each of these unexplainable and sudden deaths/near deaths when they began investigating, then they discover all the forensic evidence of harm (babies full of air splinting their diaphragms or in their greater vessels, right by the catheter site), horrible injuries, unexplained bleeding, then on top of that two indisputable poisonings on her shift.. and when they finally make their arrest itās there written on paper āIām evil. I killed them on purposeā, placed and kept within a diary, in a room full of confidential paperwork, with the babies from the case collated and stored together in a bag. Itās just inconceivable that anyone can think thatās a poor unfortunate set of events.
What a wonderful post, thank you for sharing it & for all the posts you wrote through the trialCourt in general has been the weirdest, heartbreaking, yet interesting time.
There were so many odd things that happened mainly to do with LLās mum, she had a massive argument with Jan one day shouting at her in the corridor shouting āyou just stick up for them again thenā meaning the prosecution
In general, the police the crown prosecution etc have all been incredible, you couldnāt ask for a better team, Iām actually missing court days already. And made friends - how bizarre!
The babies families I have nothing but the hugest respect, the dignity, and strength theyāve shown is incredible. All I can say is you donāt know how strong you can be till strong is all you can be, they all seemed to lean on each other too which was lovely. Itās all for them
The verdicts jeez
I arrived about an hour after the first ones. I walked in and it just felt āoffā I had to be warned that anything I may hear cannot be repeated and that Iād be in contempt of court and possibly face a 2 year sentence hence why I came off here altogether. It was the strangest feeling. Happy for the right result for the insulin babies. But I was more in shock that after all that time theyād only reached 2 verdicts. We all thought it was going to be a longgggg wait. Thatās why he offered them a majority verdict I think. At the same time we all thought that theyād done the hard part, theyād said someone was harming babies. They said it was her so with cross inference they shouldāve followed. But nothing for 3 more days. Jammy Radnor blabbed on fb! Iāve never reported something as quick in my life, also heads up they have a social media team working 24/7 monitoring every single comment on here and fb and reddit etc etc
So Fridayā¦ I got the train with @O'lee but I needed my lunch so grabbed a sandwich and walked into court for 1pm start then he said he was going to ask for anymore verdicts my jaw mustāve been on the floor I wasnāt expecting it at all. I could barely breathe. The official said in an almost town crier voice āitās been x hours and x minutesā then asks them in order on count 1 have you reached a verdict then the Forman said yes or no, on the ones he said yes they then say on the count of the murder of Mickey Mouse do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty and they said guilty and honestly I was so tense, I realised after I was holding my hands so hard over my face I had left marks, it was relief scared, happy sad and everything inbetween there was 6 verdicts that day and they became a blur. 4 were murder 2 were attempted. After a couple of the verdicts there was this wailing crying guttural sobbing, it could be heard above everything else, I couldnāt tell who it was it was horrific, I was filling up in shock it was the most surreal horrific moment. LL left, so I knew the noise wasnāt her, the babies families left and then I realised it was LLās mum. I left the courtroom as her mum left so I ran back in. It was awful we all split up needed some time for it to sink in and have a little moment. Apparently one of the babies parents put their fingers in their ears and walked out.
Afterwards I felt awful for them, that was their moment and instead of being about them it was all about LLās mum. I get that sheās upset and horrified but she still has her daughter! Those poor babies families donāt!!! And they shouldāve had their moment their justiceā¦
It was horrific I donāt even have the words for how it felt like even though I went on the fence and then thought she was guilty itās the finalness the fact like she really is a serial killer. Iāve sat and looked at this cold narky woman and sheās actually killed these babies. LL saw the first 2 lots of verdicts but then she didnāt come to any of the end of day court sessions only mornings. Judge asked BM about it he said he would find out. Then that was it the low life scum never ever came back out not even in the mornings! She hid in her cell with her comfort blankets and wouldnāt come up. The last power she had and she used it! Sheās sick!
The week after there was more verdicts, I missed those first ones. On the Thursday they were asked again and gave 2 more verdicts and were asked if they thought they would be able to reach verdicts on the others and they thought āmaybeā
Friday came and the video of her being arrested was leaked and it seemed suddenly tense and we were called in again, they were asked if they had anymore verdicts, they didnāt he asked them if given more time they could reach Verdicts and they said no, that was itā¦ one heartbroken family ran out, that was the hardest part. All along I thought the Verdict would be a good job well done moment, but without answers for some it wasnātā¦ I wish theyād all got an ending, some closure, it was awful. I actually donāt understand with cross inference how they didnāt find all guiltyās if Iām honest and it felt cruel to the NG or no verdict parents. But thatās the law thatās how it works and I really do think theyāve done a thorough job.
That was it he let the jury go and thanked them and it ended. The press knew it was coming I had to get out I needed air it was horrifically sad the press were all filming already we waited around to hear what they had to say in the press conference and then we went to a cafe and talked for the first time in the open, it was hard not being able to offload even to family before then. We all pretty much felt the same glad for the right results in the guiltys but we couldnāt shake the sadness for the other familiesā¦
I went on holiday before sentencing, but cried my eyes out listening to the pod and watching the sentencing.
Even 2 weeks on I canāt get my head around it all, not sure I ever will. She seems so ānormalā from a distance.
I have no doubts thereāll be a part 2ā¦ it blows my mind that she actually exists, like she actually did it, like I knew she had from seeing and hearing her but actually seeing in person the true evil that she is is incomprehensible.
Taking her freedom isnāt enough. Those poor defenceless babies
thank you for your post. I have loved hearing about your experience attending court. Canāt even imagine what it was like.Court in general has been the weirdest, heartbreaking, yet interesting time.
There were so many odd things that happened mainly to do with LLās mum, she had a massive argument with Jan one day shouting at her in the corridor shouting āyou just stick up for them again thenā meaning the prosecution
In general, the police the crown prosecution etc have all been incredible, you couldnāt ask for a better team, Iām actually missing court days already. And made friends - how bizarre!
The babies families I have nothing but the hugest respect, the dignity, and strength theyāve shown is incredible. All I can say is you donāt know how strong you can be till strong is all you can be, they all seemed to lean on each other too which was lovely. Itās all for them
The verdicts jeez
I arrived about an hour after the first ones. I walked in and it just felt āoffā I had to be warned that anything I may hear cannot be repeated and that Iād be in contempt of court and possibly face a 2 year sentence hence why I came off here altogether. It was the strangest feeling. Happy for the right result for the insulin babies. But I was more in shock that after all that time theyād only reached 2 verdicts. We all thought it was going to be a longgggg wait. Thatās why he offered them a majority verdict I think. At the same time we all thought that theyād done the hard part, theyād said someone was harming babies. They said it was her so with cross inference they shouldāve followed. But nothing for 3 more days. Jammy Radnor blabbed on fb! Iāve never reported something as quick in my life, also heads up they have a social media team working 24/7 monitoring every single comment on here and fb and reddit etc etc
So Fridayā¦ I got the train with @O'lee but I needed my lunch so grabbed a sandwich and walked into court for 1pm start then he said he was going to ask for anymore verdicts my jaw mustāve been on the floor I wasnāt expecting it at all. I could barely breathe. The official said in an almost town crier voice āitās been x hours and x minutesā then asks them in order on count 1 have you reached a verdict then the Forman said yes or no, on the ones he said yes they then say on the count of the murder of Mickey Mouse do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty and they said guilty and honestly I was so tense, I realised after I was holding my hands so hard over my face I had left marks, it was relief scared, happy sad and everything inbetween there was 6 verdicts that day and they became a blur. 4 were murder 2 were attempted. After a couple of the verdicts there was this wailing crying guttural sobbing, it could be heard above everything else, I couldnāt tell who it was it was horrific, I was filling up in shock it was the most surreal horrific moment. LL left, so I knew the noise wasnāt her, the babies families left and then I realised it was LLās mum. I left the courtroom as her mum left so I ran back in. It was awful we all split up needed some time for it to sink in and have a little moment. Apparently one of the babies parents put their fingers in their ears and walked out.
Afterwards I felt awful for them, that was their moment and instead of being about them it was all about LLās mum. I get that sheās upset and horrified but she still has her daughter! Those poor babies families donāt!!! And they shouldāve had their moment their justiceā¦
It was horrific I donāt even have the words for how it felt like even though I went on the fence and then thought she was guilty itās the finalness the fact like she really is a serial killer. Iāve sat and looked at this cold narky woman and sheās actually killed these babies. LL saw the first 2 lots of verdicts but then she didnāt come to any of the end of day court sessions only mornings. Judge asked BM about it he said he would find out. Then that was it the low life scum never ever came back out not even in the mornings! She hid in her cell with her comfort blankets and wouldnāt come up. The last power she had and she used it! Sheās sick!
The week after there was more verdicts, I missed those first ones. On the Thursday they were asked again and gave 2 more verdicts and were asked if they thought they would be able to reach verdicts on the others and they thought āmaybeā
Friday came and the video of her being arrested was leaked and it seemed suddenly tense and we were called in again, they were asked if they had anymore verdicts, they didnāt he asked them if given more time they could reach Verdicts and they said no, that was itā¦ one heartbroken family ran out, that was the hardest part. All along I thought the Verdict would be a good job well done moment, but without answers for some it wasnātā¦ I wish theyād all got an ending, some closure, it was awful. I actually donāt understand with cross inference how they didnāt find all guiltyās if Iām honest and it felt cruel to the NG or no verdict parents. But thatās the law thatās how it works and I really do think theyāve done a thorough job.
That was it he let the jury go and thanked them and it ended. The press knew it was coming I had to get out I needed air it was horrifically sad the press were all filming already we waited around to hear what they had to say in the press conference and then we went to a cafe and talked for the first time in the open, it was hard not being able to offload even to family before then. We all pretty much felt the same glad for the right results in the guiltys but we couldnāt shake the sadness for the other familiesā¦
I went on holiday before sentencing, but cried my eyes out listening to the pod and watching the sentencing.
Even 2 weeks on I canāt get my head around it all, not sure I ever will. She seems so ānormalā from a distance.
I have no doubts thereāll be a part 2ā¦ it blows my mind that she actually exists, like she actually did it, like I knew she had from seeing and hearing her but actually seeing in person the true evil that she is is incomprehensible.
Taking her freedom isnāt enough. Those poor defenceless babies
Thank you for sharing your experience. It must have been so surreal to be witnessing such a horrific trial and then the verdicts.Court in general has been the weirdest, heartbreaking, yet interesting time.
There were so many odd things that happened mainly to do with LLās mum, she had a massive argument with Jan one day shouting at her in the corridor shouting āyou just stick up for them again thenā meaning the prosecution
In general, the police the crown prosecution etc have all been incredible, you couldnāt ask for a better team, Iām actually missing court days already. And made friends - how bizarre!
The babies families I have nothing but the hugest respect, the dignity, and strength theyāve shown is incredible. All I can say is you donāt know how strong you can be till strong is all you can be, they all seemed to lean on each other too which was lovely. Itās all for them
The verdicts jeez
I arrived about an hour after the first ones. I walked in and it just felt āoffā I had to be warned that anything I may hear cannot be repeated and that Iād be in contempt of court and possibly face a 2 year sentence hence why I came off here altogether. It was the strangest feeling. Happy for the right result for the insulin babies. But I was more in shock that after all that time theyād only reached 2 verdicts. We all thought it was going to be a longgggg wait. Thatās why he offered them a majority verdict I think. At the same time we all thought that theyād done the hard part, theyād said someone was harming babies. They said it was her so with cross inference they shouldāve followed. But nothing for 3 more days. Jammy Radnor blabbed on fb! Iāve never reported something as quick in my life, also heads up they have a social media team working 24/7 monitoring every single comment on here and fb and reddit etc etc
So Fridayā¦ I got the train with @O'lee but I needed my lunch so grabbed a sandwich and walked into court for 1pm start then he said he was going to ask for anymore verdicts my jaw mustāve been on the floor I wasnāt expecting it at all. I could barely breathe. The official said in an almost town crier voice āitās been x hours and x minutesā then asks them in order on count 1 have you reached a verdict then the Forman said yes or no, on the ones he said yes they then say on the count of the murder of Mickey Mouse do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty and they said guilty and honestly I was so tense, I realised after I was holding my hands so hard over my face I had left marks, it was relief scared, happy sad and everything inbetween there was 6 verdicts that day and they became a blur. 4 were murder 2 were attempted. After a couple of the verdicts there was this wailing crying guttural sobbing, it could be heard above everything else, I couldnāt tell who it was it was horrific, I was filling up in shock it was the most surreal horrific moment. LL left, so I knew the noise wasnāt her, the babies families left and then I realised it was LLās mum. I left the courtroom as her mum left so I ran back in. It was awful we all split up needed some time for it to sink in and have a little moment. Apparently one of the babies parents put their fingers in their ears and walked out.
Afterwards I felt awful for them, that was their moment and instead of being about them it was all about LLās mum. I get that sheās upset and horrified but she still has her daughter! Those poor babies families donāt!!! And they shouldāve had their moment their justiceā¦
It was horrific I donāt even have the words for how it felt like even though I went on the fence and then thought she was guilty itās the finalness the fact like she really is a serial killer. Iāve sat and looked at this cold narky woman and sheās actually killed these babies. LL saw the first 2 lots of verdicts but then she didnāt come to any of the end of day court sessions only mornings. Judge asked BM about it he said he would find out. Then that was it the low life scum never ever came back out not even in the mornings! She hid in her cell with her comfort blankets and wouldnāt come up. The last power she had and she used it! Sheās sick!
The week after there was more verdicts, I missed those first ones. On the Thursday they were asked again and gave 2 more verdicts and were asked if they thought they would be able to reach verdicts on the others and they thought āmaybeā
Friday came and the video of her being arrested was leaked and it seemed suddenly tense and we were called in again, they were asked if they had anymore verdicts, they didnāt he asked them if given more time they could reach Verdicts and they said no, that was itā¦ one heartbroken family ran out, that was the hardest part. All along I thought the Verdict would be a good job well done moment, but without answers for some it wasnātā¦ I wish theyād all got an ending, some closure, it was awful. I actually donāt understand with cross inference how they didnāt find all guiltyās if Iām honest and it felt cruel to the NG or no verdict parents. But thatās the law thatās how it works and I really do think theyāve done a thorough job.
That was it he let the jury go and thanked them and it ended. The press knew it was coming I had to get out I needed air it was horrifically sad the press were all filming already we waited around to hear what they had to say in the press conference and then we went to a cafe and talked for the first time in the open, it was hard not being able to offload even to family before then. We all pretty much felt the same glad for the right results in the guiltys but we couldnāt shake the sadness for the other familiesā¦
I went on holiday before sentencing, but cried my eyes out listening to the pod and watching the sentencing.
Even 2 weeks on I canāt get my head around it all, not sure I ever will. She seems so ānormalā from a distance.
I have no doubts thereāll be a part 2ā¦ it blows my mind that she actually exists, like she actually did it, like I knew she had from seeing and hearing her but actually seeing in person the true evil that she is is incomprehensible.
Taking her freedom isnāt enough. Those poor defenceless babies
I got shat on by a bird two days ago, and not just a little bit. Full on, splattered, all over my hair. Felt like someone was chucking rocks at me. It was absolutely disgusting! I messaged my partner asking him to boost the hot water so I could wash my hair. When I got home he'd put it on a regular boost rather than fast and said, "if I'd known you wanted to wash your hair as soon as you got back I would have done a quick boost". I was like, "for future reference, if a bird shits on me I want to shower straight away." I mean, isn't that obvious!She must be the unluckiest bleep on earth.
I think Iām the second unluckiest though. I fell, and a bird shat on me today.
