No there’s no evidence at all that she attempted a set up for Dr A whatsoever. Would have been rather futile as he isn’t even on the scene until early 2016 by which time she’d killed and poisoned already. The 6 handover sheets from the second house search/second arrest were found at the parents’ property in Hereford not her home in Chester. The bin bag contained the handwritten note only. That note didn’t contain any detail of her alluding to Dr A committing the crime at all.
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Whenever she was asked about it Lucy Letby was very particular in emphasizing that the drip is in essence a closed system and air couldn't be introduced into the system via the bag at the top.
I shall tell my friend their idea is bizarre.
When I did the LPC criminal law we were told the aim wasn’t to get them off no matter , unless they were innocent and the evidence showed that but if they were guilty and the evidence indicated that they were try to make sure they got a sentence that fitted the crime and was fair to the client.
Except for the evidence offered by the prosecution that she falsified the medical notes to make it look like the bleeding in (I think it was Baby Q's) throat was caused by him.
Remember when the house searches were taking place and they went digging in the garden and excavated parts, I wonder if/what they expected to find there?
As I listened to the prosecution in court I wondered if there would be any mention of this, but there wasn't.
As I listened to the prosecution in court I wondered if there would be any mention of this, but there wasn't.
Sorry this is really so inaccurate. Perhaps read up about it all again before throwing wild theories around. We are so beyond that on this thread, especially now she’s been convicted.
I've lurked in this thread but not posted.
Having worked with criminal defence lawyers, they generally have what I'd consider a fairly flexible set of morals.
I was also a juror on a high profile case (I'm now discharged from jury service for life, although I'd do it again if I was called). The defence barrister was very, very aggressive with the witnesses (victims - we found the defendant guilty, unanimously, on all counts) and would use anything at all to discredit them. They were treated like they'd been accused of a crime. I appreciate that everyone is entitled to a fair trial and he was doing his job, but it's not a job I could do.
Regarding other posts about LL's motive - we need to remember that someone with heavily narcissistic traits, other people aren't full and independent human beings in their own right. To them, everyone is just an extra in the show where they're the main character. Other people exist to meet their needs, no more and no less. They do not inhabit the same objective reality as the rest of us, and they are relentless in their pursuit of attention, be it negative or positive.
I'm sure it's been said, but my (entirely speculative) view is that she went into that line of work because it's a very outwardly "heroic" sort of job. "Look at me, caring for the most vulnerable in society, aren't I lovely and amazing?" but for anyone who's ever known a narcissist, you'll know nothing is ever enough for them - they are black holes for people's time and attention.
Her decision to commit such horrific and unthinkable crimes might well have been opportunistic - she wasn't getting enough admiration simply being the lovely nurse, so why not manufacture a crisis? When you don't see other people as human, it's a win win isn't it? Either you get to save the baby you've deliberately harmed and you're the hero, or you don't and you get to centre yourself in a tragedy. And when everyone else exists for no other reason than to meet your needs and you're totally devoid of empathy, harming others isn't really "wrong", it just is what it is, which is why she's got absolutely no remorse.
The most shocking part is how basic she is. A truly bland and uninteresting human being who would otherwise fade into the wallpaper. But perhaps that's part of the problem. She believes she's truly special and in reality she is absolutely unremarkable and totally forgettable in every way. But nobody will forget her now.
Yes that true, thanks! I guess once she'd been arrested it could be classed as a breach of trust and confidence due to the allegations and ongoing police investigation. I think I was just hoping she hadn't been suspended on full pay for months and months!
I do have a feeling there’s more to this than meets the eye, in terms of him knowing more about what was going on, but I hope I’m wrong
Many barristers including Ben Myers work for both the prosecution and defence. It's a bit stupid to assume all those working for the defence in a trial are evil, corrupt and on the side of the villan.
I don’t remember that. I wonder what triggered that particular search? I wonder if we’ll ever be told.
Have a look yourself. If Letby falsified the notes to try and change when bleeding happened was that to set him up for the crimes, as you alluded to? No. She falsifies things to keep herself out of the picture or to claim a more gradual deterioration.
At no point is it suggested by anybody that she was trying to make it look like he was trying to kill baby N, that’s just not true. It wouldn’t be a crime if he had caused bleeding via clumsy intubation or an attempted murder. You’re suggesting this is all part of a picture with your comments about the killing me softly note and you’re adding unnecessary and utterly inaccurate dramatisation. It’s crude. You should stop. There is no evidence at all that she was hoping to set Dr A up as a murderer or planting notes alluding to him being a murderer. It’s utter garbage.
It was just maybe them covering absolutely everything. However, it never stopped me wondering all these years
Yeah I think the orders will have been to leave no stone unturned, literally,and seeing now with my own eyes after the documentary how thorough/enormous the investigation was, they clearly didn't want to miss anything...and they didn't, I just can't put into words my respect for the whole hummingbird team!
There's no fool like an old fool.
And, I can't help thinking about what Dr Jayaram said about him having the sense that he didn't trust Lucy Letby.
And that as a doctor (and I paraphrase (when asked why he didn't go to the police sooner)) he was trained to look for the common symptoms, and then to consider the uncommon, - but it was beyond comprehension that one of the medical staff could be deliberately hurting the patients.
Maybe he saw the gorilla, when his training told to look elsewhere.
Absolutely agree with this. The care and attention they paid to every single aspect of the investigation has been second to none. Nothing short of heroic what they did for those families to bring justice for their babies.
I really hope slimy politics are playing no decision in the investigation being non-statutory, fingers crossed that there will be a tory u-turn (that is actually helpful for once) on this. It needs to be judge led so these managers etc are compelled/made to give evidence. Rishi better not be bloody thinking he wants it all done and out of the way of the campaign for the next General Election, as i can see it'll open up a whole can of worms regarding the NHS and its hierarchy! He prob doesn't want it blowing up, but tough tits, though there's far too many people who need to answer for their actions and be held responsible.
I knew it was a massive operation...but seeing it laid out like that, was something else, and hearing some involved, speaking, so openly and honestly, made me cry again..." different tears" .
Thinking of all involved, as this horrific case now progresses
This has probably been asked already, but having seen someone mention 30 more babies that are being looked at with a scope of over 4000 to look at, what happens if they find there evidence to charge her with, but there couldn't be a fair trial due to finding a jury etc...
I doubt she would ever plead guilty to further crimes as I doubt she would ever plead guilty to these ones.
I have tried good old Google, but not had any luck.
I doubt she would ever plead guilty to further crimes as I doubt she would ever plead guilty to these ones.
I have tried good old Google, but not had any luck.
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