I know the video of her night out is only a few seconds long, but there's a vibe of hollowness from her, she's just responding to what her friend does, rather than contributing. Or maybe I'm reading too much into it.
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Interesting part on the operation hummingbird documentary
They have a central reception team that deals with any public/media enquiries relating to OpH instead of it going through the main control room.
Part of what they do is monitor and assess any threat, risk or harm related to social and digital media
do you think they have come across our threads?
Bet Richard Gill was top of their list.
They have a central reception team that deals with any public/media enquiries relating to OpH instead of it going through the main control room.
Part of what they do is monitor and assess any threat, risk or harm related to social and digital media
do you think they have come across our threads?Bet Richard Gill was top of their list.
I just watched the Cheshire police documentary and found it very interesting. Their passion for getting justice for the babies is clear to see and they should be so proud of their hard work.
Was anyone else a little distracted by the constantly changing camera angles?! I thought they'd end up interviewing someone with their back to the camera!
Really fascinating watch though. It's great to get a better understanding of what was going on behind the scenes.
Was anyone else a little distracted by the constantly changing camera angles?! I thought they'd end up interviewing someone with their back to the camera!
Really fascinating watch though. It's great to get a better understanding of what was going on behind the scenes.
Probably depends on the seriousness of whatever they are arresting for, plus the history. In these case it was the third arrest for very serious crimes so it makes sense for the police station in question to do it, plus the crimes happened up there as well, so it’s their jurisdiction
Just sent this to my MP...thank you for printing this x
yes I got a bit dizzy and the music was a bit annoying tooI just watched the Cheshire police documentary and found it very interesting. Their passion for getting justice for the babies is clear to see and they should be so proud of their hard work.
Was anyone else a little distracted by the constantly changing camera angles?! I thought they'd end up interviewing someone with their back to the camera!
Really fascinating watch though. It's great to get a better understanding of what was going on behind the scenes.
But I found it so fascinating. You can only imagine how much work has gone in to this investigation and trial but hearing them talk about it really brings home the enormity.
I’ll put my more detailed thoughts behind a spoiler so as not to ruin for anyone who is yet to watch
Claire Hocknell saying that many of the medical records were pdf scans and the only thing they could do is go through each one, one at a time 
I definitely feel that (for once!) there has been no expense spared with the scale of the investigation. Witnesses driven back and forth to court - 15000 miles clocked! Not surprised the witness support guy came across some negativity from staff
Pleased to see they had a team of clinical psychologists to support staff and families.
They really did do everything they could to make sure the trial went as best as it could.
It confirmed to me as well that the parents heard what happened to their babies in detail for the first time in court. I don’t know how they could prepare them for that. I also hadn’t really considered what Claire Hocknell said about how much harder it was being a witness and reading things out loud, like Lucy’s text messages, knowing the parents are hearing it for the first time but just that saying it out loud is different to reading it multiple times
I wonder what the next episodes will cover
I definitely feel that (for once!) there has been no expense spared with the scale of the investigation. Witnesses driven back and forth to court - 15000 miles clocked! Not surprised the witness support guy came across some negativity from staff
Pleased to see they had a team of clinical psychologists to support staff and families.
They really did do everything they could to make sure the trial went as best as it could.
It confirmed to me as well that the parents heard what happened to their babies in detail for the first time in court. I don’t know how they could prepare them for that. I also hadn’t really considered what Claire Hocknell said about how much harder it was being a witness and reading things out loud, like Lucy’s text messages, knowing the parents are hearing it for the first time but just that saying it out loud is different to reading it multiple times
I wonder what the next episodes will cover
I am v behind but on this point - nothing has ever happened to get uk government to commit to anything that would actually increase staffing levels (loads of evidence from other countries that increasing the number and qualification level of nurses reduces mortality rate) so regardless of the inquiry, neither will this.
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It was the night sister, Jean Savill, who took her own life (Nick Davies book). Poor woman, I can’t imagine how she felt but I think many of us would have suicidal thoughts in her shoes.@Tofino sharing with you as think you might find interesting. I think similar things will come up. Feel pretty sure one of those nurses named is the one that committed suicideI know one other nurse made an attempt too.
Doctors blamed over child killings: Allitt inquiry 'finds scapegoats'
TWO DOCTORS and two nurses have been singled out for blame by the official inquiry into the crimes of Beverly Allitt, the nurse who attacked 13 children in her care, murdering four.www.independent.co.uk
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The inquiry won't make the slightest difference.
If anything, inquiries tend to reinforce the parts of the culture within the institution most in need of change.
She won't like the way she'll be treated in prison, whether people outside (not to say people like can't have an opinion about how she should be treated or anything like that, part of me hopes something bad happens to her and half of me doesn't but rather I doubt she'll explain why she killed those poor little things!)
Reported from a former inmate in a prison, she will be kept on suicide watch for a number of weeks, possibly months (I'd think the latter), she won't have any association with any other inmates or least as little as possible, other than cleaners and people bringing her food (to prevent what happened to the likes of Harold Shipman when he hung himself in his cell and Richard Huckle, who was tortured for I think a few hours, least over 10 minutes and then killed by another inmate). She'll be allowed to read and etc, she'll get one hour of exercise outside the wing, but apart from seeing prison officers and her case worker or which ever and even then most of it will be through the door, she won't have it easy, nothing of course short of what she deserves!
Reported from a former inmate in a prison, she will be kept on suicide watch for a number of weeks, possibly months (I'd think the latter), she won't have any association with any other inmates or least as little as possible, other than cleaners and people bringing her food (to prevent what happened to the likes of Harold Shipman when he hung himself in his cell and Richard Huckle, who was tortured for I think a few hours, least over 10 minutes and then killed by another inmate). She'll be allowed to read and etc, she'll get one hour of exercise outside the wing, but apart from seeing prison officers and her case worker or which ever and even then most of it will be through the door, she won't have it easy, nothing of course short of what she deserves!
I am confused as to why people are still wondering why she killed the kids. She was trying to get the attention of the doctor she was obsessed with. He was the one who was called when there were emergencies.
Every article I have seen has mentioned this.
That was the way she got closer to him, before they started their relationship outside the hospital
Every article I have seen has mentioned this.
That was the way she got closer to him, before they started their relationship outside the hospital
She'll also get visitation rights to see family and etc but as the prison service's discretion (like after checking etc who they are etc).
Thing I never appreciated until watching someone called Black Belt (since he practices Martial Arts, forgot which one he's got a black belt in) Barrister, is that when they give out a life sentence, it really is a life sentence just excluding a whole life order like Letby has (and the three other females before her) is a custodial part of it and then they when let out will have to adhere to a licence, that if they break those conditions of their licence will be recalled to prison.
Thing I never appreciated until watching someone called Black Belt (since he practices Martial Arts, forgot which one he's got a black belt in) Barrister, is that when they give out a life sentence, it really is a life sentence just excluding a whole life order like Letby has (and the three other females before her) is a custodial part of it and then they when let out will have to adhere to a licence, that if they break those conditions of their licence will be recalled to prison.
Apparently she can do an open university degree. Wonder if they do a Beige Studies course
Er, because he didn’t appear on the scene until baby L. I think it was certainly the case for the latter babies but it doesn’t explain the earlier ones.
She had been killing babies for months before he arrived in the scene, I think it wasn't until Feb 2016. He first gave evidence for baby L, so she had been murdering and attempting to murder babies long before him.
Is the extra marital affair the reason for his anonymity? Guessing his wife and close family/friends know anyway
BIB - Exactly that. Every article. Not court. Article. They will try and romanticise her reasons for doing so.
She was harming and killing long before she became infatuated with him.
My first reaction to her parents moving 250 miles away to where she will be jailed was that it was really odd for parents to pack up their lives and move close to a prison just so they can see their murdering daughter however often they can (once a week?) for however long they have left.
But I guess they maintain her innocence presumably because they are deluded. And then there’s the utter embarrassment of staying in the street and town as a whole where they’ve lived for ages. Sucks for them that people in Durham will recognise them too.
I believe there are certain things a person can do that would make me disown them as a family member, friend etc. but then again I probably wouldn’t try to cover for them by telling police “I did it, take me instead”
But I guess they maintain her innocence presumably because they are deluded. And then there’s the utter embarrassment of staying in the street and town as a whole where they’ve lived for ages. Sucks for them that people in Durham will recognise them too.
I believe there are certain things a person can do that would make me disown them as a family member, friend etc. but then again I probably wouldn’t try to cover for them by telling police “I did it, take me instead”
I wonder. I cant imagine he kept all this from his wife, for so long. And then is gone the day he gives evidence? But maybe its so his professional life is protected? So he doesnt have his livelihood ruined by her too
The enquiry
Yes it must be statutory so all are made to appear and not worm out of uncomfortable questions.
The argument is it would take too long as in years. However ...why? It took 10 months to hear the trial & get verdict. I would imagine a year would be long enough for enquiry. After all they aren't deciding guilt, thats been done. This would be probing managements role & future legislation. These enquiries are ridiculously long in my opinion.
Statutory also means any decisions regarding legislation or procedures must be enacted
Yes it must be statutory so all are made to appear and not worm out of uncomfortable questions.
The argument is it would take too long as in years. However ...why? It took 10 months to hear the trial & get verdict. I would imagine a year would be long enough for enquiry. After all they aren't deciding guilt, thats been done. This would be probing managements role & future legislation. These enquiries are ridiculously long in my opinion.
Statutory also means any decisions regarding legislation or procedures must be enacted
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