Lucy Letby Case #6

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I’m finding it difficult to understand why everyone else is at fault but LL.
The defence is, one way or another, more or less going to be trying to blame others for every accusation.
If her colleagues support her now are they still going to be doing that at the end, when all the mud has been slung?
‘The Trust’, like that is some faceless bureaucracy. What is the Trust? It’s the people. The people make the Trust.
 
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I agree. Also how can you inject air into a babies stomach, surely if that happened the baby would scream due to the sudden pain from it.

to me it’s odd the prosecution are claiming so many different causes of death. You wouldn’t keep switching methods if you were a murderer and found one that worked without trace.
 
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I fully get why you want to understand why someone would do this but sadly some people are just like that. I think it’s harder for us to process because ‘she doesn’t look like the type’. Also because she’s a woman. But if we were presented the same case with a ‘dodgy’ looking old bloke, I don’t think there’d be half the discussion on what happened to them to make them do this.
Maybe she’s just evil.
 
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This aswell got me wondering...

'investigation across the force area and beyond'
Yeah me too. Unless by that do they perhaps allude to Merseyside Police, which perhaps her placement (short placement??) at the Liverpool hospital was at.
 
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It is extremely easy for her to inject air into a babies stomach. you would change your methods if you started getting cocky and the thrill of the first method wears off, also switching it up would help cover your tracks (your comment proves that)
 
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Hard to scream when you have a breathing tube stuck down your throat.
I would think babies with breathing tubes would be sedated too.
 
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I disagree… if you’re a murderer in this situation and you don’t want to raise suspicions you would switch methods to try and make it look random or like someone else is involved and not you…
 
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Hard to scream when you have a breathing tube stuck down your throat.
I would think babies with breathing tubes would be sedated too.
my new born had major surgery that takes an adult 10 weeks to recover from and because he was so heavily sedated with a ventilator he never cried the whole time he was in hospital.
 
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Can someone clarify for me - as I am wondering if I have potentially missed a massive piece of the puzzle or if this hasn't come to light yet.

Were there other babies who sadly died in the neonatal unit when LL *wasn't* on shift, or was she present/on shift for every single baby that died there?
 
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It is extremely easy for her to inject air into a babies stomach. you would change your methods if you started getting cocky and the trill of the first method wears off, also switching it up would help cover your tracks (your comment proves that)
I don’t really get the debate over her ‘MO’ to me none of it is that different - essentially medically killing them through the equipment available to her. I think the most different MO is the poor baby with mild clotting disorder who had the injuries but I could be wrong x
 
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If the baby was vented and sedated, they wouldn't scream.
Its also not uncommon when you're feeding or infact injecting air into their NG that you've done all the other cares for the baby such as spo2 probe repositioning nappy changed and generally upsetting the baby, so there would be some cries, so it wouldn't be out of the ordinary to assume that the baby is just crying because you're bothering with then whilst they're resting.
Also, some preemies just don't cry, one of my twins didn't make a sound till she had hit full term and had her heel prick redone.
 
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Or, from a cod psychology point of view, and this is me speculating and certainly not saying that any of this means others in similar circumstances should be worried I’m applying it to all humans- could be she have had a depressed mother and seeing the babies get attention in that way caused her to resent the newborns? Or perhaps her dad was emotionally abusive to her mother and to see the dads looking after the babies was triggering? Or maybe she flew through school and university being a high achiever and she couldn’t bear to see the babies being so vulnerable as she rejected that part of herself and it disgusted her to the point where it was unbearable and she had to act? I imagine there was a reason she went into neonatal nursing (not nefarious) but perhaps therapy may have been a better option (if she is guilty).
 
Oh thank you! I’m just imagining being asked in an interview to give an example of the above strengths and I say ‘here is a tattle wiki I produced, but please don’t look up what I said about Louise Thompson’

My previous job was technical with lots of product data so there is some correlation. But currently i’m a stay at home mum so I get time when my son is in school. I do still have other things I really should be doing so not sure how long I can sustain it, especially with half term coming up but we will see.


Thank you.

where can I learn how to edit.

I thought it might be good to store things like that note LL wrote which the prosecution claimed was a confession?
It might be better to add a link as images take up a lot of space compared to text and once you add them you can’t delete them.
But if we had a link we could possibly add it to the prosecution opening statement section as that’s where it’s written about. I could do a subheading for it so it’s easy to find. Even if it’s a link to the post in the thread where it was added, that might work.
 
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I think what’s opened my eyes the most is that babies dying isn’t as ‘common’ as I thought in the NICU/ SCBU- I honestly thought there’d be more deaths than what’s been mentioned. I’m obviously glad I was wrong to think it, I was clearly a bit naive to how much fight these little babies have in them
 
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I agree and LL has been living with this for so long that she's likely to be immune to what we are hearing for the first time.

When I was following Logan Mwangi's murder trial, Angharad Williamson was 'showing emotion' but she was slated to be 'acting' and 'just crying for herself'...nobody knew if it was genuine or not.
I think in this type of case, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.
 
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If she is guilty, there may not be a single trigger but even in the most heinous crimes there is always a rationale, even if its warped.

This book is well worth reading:

The Devil You Know: Encounters in Forensic Psychiatry https://amzn.eu/d/3Jc5e1v
 
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For context, there are now many hospitals within the UK who will deliver and treat babies born at 22 weeks (viability is classed at 24 weeks) there are many babies who survived being born at this gestation living amazing lives. Some with complications from prematurity, others with none.
Science has advanced amazingly
 
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No, I think she was present every time, it’s probably the biggest part of their prosecution.
 
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I spent 3 months in one, no babies died whilst I was there and I kept in touch with a lot of families and they all went home too. There was some very early babies born who went home on oxygen but they are still ok. I could not be more grateful for the care we received even more so now.
 
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No, I think she was present every time, it’s probably the biggest part of their prosecution.
So just to clarify, in the timeframe that the case is investigating, no other baby died in the neonatal unit, other than when Lucy was on shift?

I think I need to go back and go over this as it's dawned on me that this could be a massive piece of info I'm missing.


Edit: so in 2015, 8 babies sadly died, and in 2016, 5 babies. So there must have been some she wasn't on shift for.
 

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