Surely if it was the trust against her it would be a disciplinary rather than a grievance.
Grievance implies behavioural/treatment issues rather than procedural.
Grievance implies behavioural/treatment issues rather than procedural.
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It's a full time job keeping up with this thread, I've lost days reading it 
Oh aye cause she would write about the police on her notes because she wilted some Lillies 🥱 cba
so I had a member of staff put in a grievance against me when I had to go through disciplinary procedures for gross misconduct with him (he’d violently threatened myself and other members of staff… we had video recorded evidence of this which he knew about) and he claimed in his grievance that I was bullying and harassing him. He was 100% guilty but I think he used the grievance procedure to A) buy time in the investigation into his unacceptable conduct and B) discredit me as a manager
didn’t work, though, but it took 12 months for it all to be resolved. Grievance was thrown out in the end due to lack of evidence but still took a considerable amount of time!!
I guess what I’m getting at is if she’d been in the nhs a while (which I think she had been) and knew the procedures it’s plausible to me that she’d put a grievance in even if she was guilty in order to play the system a bit.
Note to self : next time i inevitably chuck away yet another house plant that was gifted to me that I’ve failed to keep alive because I always forget to water it and so it shrivels up and dies, make sure I don’t write down my feelings of anguish and despair and panic about it just incase I’m ever accused of murder and the police search my house.
The grievance at the time was probably complaining about her competency rather than murder - otherwise they wouldn’t keep her on the team and move her to a non clinical role. A grievance can lead to a disciplinary it’s the first stage of investigating the complaint. It’s important a complaint and allegation is investigated before being disciplined.
Lots of research for Lantus in neonates going on over the past few years. COCH may have had it.
Sorry you had to go through that, that sounds tit. Maybe she thought it would make them back down against her if she kicked up a big enough fuss? It is so hard to comprehend it’s just such big accusations made about her that I believe they have had to come from somewhere.
I’d like to confess here that I am a prolific plant murderer. You may use this evidence against me in court. I am very good at keeping human beings alive but plants not so much.
Thank you. A nurse upthread explained TPN procedures. She said if the TPN bag was taken down it would be replaced with an ordinary fluid IV bag. She said that the babies blood would be tested daily and a new TPN bag would be made by pharmacy depending on blood results.
If that’s the case then the second bag could be just a standard IV bag from the fridge. Maybe?
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Have you ever wondered if you are evil because of all the shrivelled up plants in your bin?
Her note did state “police forget slander , discrimination, victimisation” - I took that as she thinks the police are only concerned with what she has been accused of and they have forgotten all about the slander, victimisation and discrimination she is has experienced. So perhaps she had put in a grievance complaint
. I guess the question is, was this just because of the allegations or was she always a target so to speak. I think the former she would know how to play the system I expect, but who knows.Honestly it was pretty tit at the time. During that time I found out I was pregnant as well so I was having to deal with all that drama whilst growing a baby! I’m very fortunate my partner is an obstetrician so I got constant reassurance in terms of my health worries!!
Perhaps she thought they’d pay her off to go away quietly. Unfortunately that does happen quite often… but I doubt in the case of murder!! Perhaps she thought they didn’t have enough evidence to link her to so many deaths so therefore complaining about her ‘ill-treatment’ by management might scare them into paying her to resign and sign an NDA or something.
I’m just speculating, of course, until we get more information on the matter! But unfortunately for me as an nhs manager I’m quite experienced in grievance procedures!!
Fully agree.
I had awful childhood even if my family looks so "normal" from outside. My father is functional alcoholic, he used abuse towards me and my mother and my mother never really had the balls to leave him. They still together- 36y of marriage.
I moved home ad soon as I finished high school.
this is the bit from the reporting but I’m a bit unclear about where the second bag came from.
i *think* this is saying that TPN bag 1 was taken off temporarily at 11am
but the next TPN bag wasn’t delivered until 4pm.
So between 11am-4pm it could only be TPN bag 1 or a stock bag. But Lucy wasn’t on shift at this point. If it was the stock bag then that could easily have been contaminated anyway as it was stored in the fridge with the insulin.
I’m wondering if she was going to claim bullying etc which I don’t doubt as I know bullying with in NHS is real but surely theres a line between bullying and accused of murdering babies
One question I have is that I understand bags were changed but what about the tubes that go to the baby. At what point do the bags connect to the babies feed/cannula tubes?
I'm not sure if you can 'taint' a tube with insulin and if you’ve injected it into the babies feed/cannula tube you’ve made a hole that would be evidenced BUT if the bag was injected with insulin and you change the bag would the tube still cause contamination problems?
hope that makes sense
I think I’d need to see a proper timeline really and more details of the grievances. It’s plausible that the stuff getting back to her at the beginning was surrounding her being incompetent so that could be why she got angry and potentially went down the “I’m being bullied” route. Perhaps she thought she wouldn’t get caught if she didn’t know the full extent of the picture they were building up to hand over to the police. If she’s genuinely a serial killer there’s got to be something not quite there in her brain to begin with. Maybe she was actually a bit of a narcissist?I’m wondering if she was going to claim bullying etc which I don’t doubt as I know bullying with in NHS is real but surely theres a line between bullying and accused of murdering babies
Any question of her competency wouldn’t fall under any sort of grievance procedures though… it would fall under performance management guidelines.
Might be the terminology but I have never heard first stage investigations into conduct or fact finding right up until suspension ever called a grievance - it’s always just been an investigation and or normal performance management and only when the PM isn’t working or there’s evidence of misconduct agreed by HR that it would formalise to disciplinary proceedings.
A grievance is usually an individual feeling aggrieved about something rather than a trust or firm taking action to performance manage an incompetent member of staff.
Maybe just different terminology people use but I’ve worked across private and public sector for over 20 years in various management capacities and I’ve never heard any sort of performance management called a grievance and have only ever heard it in the context of an individual taking a grievance against another individual or management structure where they feel they’ve been treated unfairly.
That’s why I’d made the assumption that her grievance was against management within her trust presumably because she’d been challenged and/or heard the allegations made against her.
That is a very good point and may be the answer to the queries.
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