She also text all the way through that feed. Either that or she didn’t give the baby any milk.
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A good pointNot really sure because every time I think about any of the charges, they all become absolutely glaringly obvious tbh
I started to feel a bit doubtful, I think it’s just cause of time lapsed etc so I went and re-read some of the babies - the timeline of attacks switching from day to night with her shifts - her whole Ibiza holiday return and the Triplets bleeping burst any doubt bubbles again. She’s guilty as sin - and was flagrant with it by the end. Don’t give up just yet
@mrs.darcy sending love and best wishes your way - hopefully your daughter will be sorted in no time x
I think the verdict may well be tomorrow, although the 3pm time does seem odd to announce that a majority verdict can be accepted - not sure why that couldn't have been announced at 4pm when the jury was being dismissed for the day or first thing tomorrow morning.
I'm in the office tomorrow and in a shed load of meetings where I'm either leading, presenting or having to listen properly so I won't be able to check my phone. If it is tomorrow, I hope it's whilst I'm having my appraisal (1pm) as my boss is fabulous - I've already told her today that I'll need to keep checking and she's fine with that as long as I keep her up to date with the verdict. She's not a lover of true crime but has become a bit invested in this as I keep going on about it
I think the verdict may well be tomorrow, although the 3pm time does seem odd to announce that a majority verdict can be accepted - not sure why that couldn't have been announced at 4pm when the jury was being dismissed for the day or first thing tomorrow morning.
I'm in the office tomorrow and in a shed load of meetings where I'm either leading, presenting or having to listen properly so I won't be able to check my phone. If it is tomorrow, I hope it's whilst I'm having my appraisal (1pm) as my boss is fabulous - I've already told her today that I'll need to keep checking and she's fine with that as long as I keep her up to date with the verdict. She's not a lover of true crime but has become a bit invested in this as I keep going on about it
Majority verdict then, not a surprise. The Victorino Chua killer nurse trial was also majority verdict and he was found G of most charges and NG of just 2. And his appeals since have been rejected. I think there's a good chance the jury will be back tomorrow or by Friday latest with a majority G verdict on most charges - and maybe NG on some others. But even if there's a majority G verdict on ONE murder charge, it's still a life sentence for her.
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With baby K, If you believe the doctor over Lucy and if you believe that it's not normal to leave a baby of that gestation to self correct, then that cases is damning, as its only that one and baby E where she was caught in the act.
Baby H has two attempted murder charges but seems to have less evidence then the others but this maybe because of the limited reporting. Baby J has less evidence as the baby made a full recovery. Baby G has four attempted murders and there was a high CRP associated with one of those suggesting an infection. For one of the charges for baby N there was some doubt about wheter Lucy was actually there.
I do think for the majority the evidence is very strong, I can see how some of the charges could be tricky for the jury to agree on.
The confidential waste bin would be best, considering she seemed to have no idea of what that was!
That’s true about Dr Jairam actually…I would be so interested to see how he came across on court.
As has been said previously it only takes one for a lot of jail time but quite rightly some parents would be disappointed if she’s found NG of the charge relating to their child
On the flip side what charges are most likely to result in a guilty verdict?
Also I think Baby E she’s completely banged to rights - the mums phone records back up her version of events.
I had a dream over the weekend that my husband was one of the jurors. He works all over Greater Manchester and spends a lot of time in Central Manchester so I dreamt that he had been going in every day and hadn't wanted to tell me as I'd want all of the details...... He was also able to be off work last Monday at short notice as well.
When I woke up, it got me thinking as he would be so thorough and would really study the information and want to consider everything carefully. I even checked if the jury was sitting when we went on holiday in June, just in case . They were so that confirmed that he's definitely not a juror. I then actually felt a bit sad as I would be reassured if he was a juror as he's lovely and calm and would be a voice of reason.
When I told him, he said he's so glad he isn't, he doesn't think he would cope very well hearing all of the medical evidence and he'd get so mad - he's so laid back normally but he was getting really angry speaking to me about it on behalf of the parents. So, for his sake, I'm relieved he's not a juror and having to deal with these feelings. Really made me think how the jurors are actually feeling and coping
For all we call them on here, they've had a really disruptive 10 months listening to distressing information and now they have to process that and make a decision on 22 separate charges. I feel confident that, on the whole, they will reach guilty verdicts for most, if not all. I just hope it's this week for the parents sake - 8 years for some of them - heartbreaking 
When I woke up, it got me thinking as he would be so thorough and would really study the information and want to consider everything carefully. I even checked if the jury was sitting when we went on holiday in June, just in case
. They were so that confirmed that he's definitely not a juror. I then actually felt a bit sad as I would be reassured if he was a juror as he's lovely and calm and would be a voice of reason.When I told him, he said he's so glad he isn't, he doesn't think he would cope very well hearing all of the medical evidence and he'd get so mad - he's so laid back normally but he was getting really angry speaking to me about it on behalf of the parents. So, for his sake, I'm relieved he's not a juror and having to deal with these feelings. Really made me think how the jurors are actually feeling and coping
For all we call them on here, they've had a really disruptive 10 months listening to distressing information and now they have to process that and make a decision on 22 separate charges. I feel confident that, on the whole, they will reach guilty verdicts for most, if not all. I just hope it's this week for the parents sake - 8 years for some of them - heartbreaking For anyone interested, this is Dr Ravi Jayaram
I absolutely 100% believe him. Absolutely.
I absolutely 100% believe him. Absolutely.
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Sort of pleasing to think that today could be LL's last night with a hope of freedom....I bet she's cacking herself knowing the fact it's not a unanimous NG means there's a very very very high chance she's doing jail time of some description. The same anxiety, worry, and grief she put the parents through.
Yeah I couldn't do there and back in a day so I'd have to stay before or after. Probably will need to be on a weekend so I might wait till after the summer holidays. She might have slightly more of a clue what's going on by then too
“I killed them ON PURPOSE because I am not good enough to care for them” is all I’d need
This is what I’m struggling to understand because if they agree guilty on the majority then how can they be NG on some charges?! Even with less evidence in certain cases it still follows the same pattern AND the judge even told them they could look at all the cases as a whole.
To me that sounds like they should either go G on all or NG on all but to have mixed verdicts is pretty much going against the judge’s instructions (as well as common sense
) and doesn’t really make sense to me. If they’re agreed she’s a serial killer, then why have doubt on a few charges? That fact alone throws away all reasonable doubt imo.That’s the bit I don’t get either. So babies A, B and C (as an example) are guilty but babies D, E, F who died in the exact same circumstances are not guilty. I don’t get where the line is for what’s guilty and what’s not tbhThis is what I’m struggling to understand because if they agree guilty on the majority then how can they be NG on some charges?! Even with less evidence in certain cases it still follows the same pattern AND the judge even told them they could look at all the cases as a whole.
To me that sounds like they should either go G on all or NG on all but to have mixed verdicts is pretty much going against the judge’s instructions (as well as common sense
I wish we could send post it notes to the jury
Hope Lube long face is shaking in her boots!! Roll on the verdict and throw away the key!!
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