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Awww I'm sorry to hear this lovey, I am sure it is really stressful for you, do you have plenty of support? Is your Mum in hospital or at home?

Don't feel as if you need to any of those questions but we're here to listen and support you if you need it xx If you don't want to share then I'll send you a big hug and some strength to get through your challenges.

Ahh tutty is such an underused word. My Nan always said it and I'd hear it a lot as a youngster....I'm keeping the tradition going 🙂
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He's been camping in Penrith with his Auntie, Uncle and cousins. I would do mostly anything for him but not camping...I'm simply not the camping type 😂

He arrived home yesterday happy, full of a cold and mooing like a cow (a cow that's in a lot of pain haha)!
I hope he had a wonderful time. Only ever camped out as teenager. Easy to sleep well in a tent if you're pissed/stoned.
I'm a responsible adult now and camping isn't for me. My eldest did a treck/camping for her DOE award. My God did that kid moan like duck when she got home. After the 1st day/night she woke early and burst into tears of despair.
So much my daughter.
Drama queen.
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Covid took its toll on so many of our older people, at the time I wondered how my Nan would've coped had she been alive. She'd have probably pickled herself in sherry and smoked like a chimney 🙄
I've thought about how my grandparents would have reacted to Covid many times. They've been gone over ten years (lost all four in a two year period in my twenties). My nan would have also pickled herself in booze and smoked like train at full steam... But also we'd have had to physically lock her in. Otherwise she'd be off down the market or up the city. Maskless, obvs. 🙈 Kind of a relief we were spared the anxiety tbh!

Sending love to anyone feeling crappy tonight ❤
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After the 1st day/night she woke early and burst into tears of despair.
Tbf that would be my exact reaction too. I don't understand people who enjoy camping. 🙈
 
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Did anyone else follow the Taylor Schabusiness trial?

Basically during a meth-fuelled sex session, Taylor, who had a husband and a toddler elsewhere, [graphic details follow] strangled her other boyfriend to death in his mum's basement, then proceeded to completely dismember his body and removed all the organs over the next several hours, using a bread knife. She placed his foot in his body cavity, and spread the body parts around the basement and her van. She also performed sex acts on and cuddled the corpse.

She admitted it immediately when arrested, claiming that she was choking him with a chain as part of their usual sex sessions, and just didn't stop and didn't know why. She seemed proud of herself, saying to police things like she "was riding him like a donkey" and "have fun finding all his organs". It came out in the trial that she was a fan of serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer and had googled things like "Jeffrey Dahmer outside court looking sexy".

She plead not guilty due to insanity. She does have a legitimate and quite extensive history of mental illness, along with diagnosed ADHD, and one expert said she was psychotic and had bipolar disorder. She has also had a hard life, with her mum dying of alcoholic cirrhosis of the liver when she was only 11; being sent to live with her grandparents the other side of the country when she was in her teens due to being a problem child; and her dad being jailed for 12 years for paedophilia, four years before she committed the murder. She had been on hard drugs including heroin and meth for some time before the murder.

She suddenly assaulted her own attorney at one point and had to be restrained, followed by her eventually saying "what happened?" as if she didn't know what was going on. She also threw a chair at the psychiatrist who had to evaluate her.

However, she was probably hamming up some of the mental illness, and another expert disputed the diagnoses and pointed out evidence that she was faking or exaggerating some of her symptoms. Plus the meth use was probably more responsible for her mental state than anything. She spent the entire four day trial either smirking, or pulling a "lol wtf?" face, and gave the impression that she was amused and pleased with her notoriety.

The jury only took 45 minutes to find that she wasn't insane (at least not enough to absolve her of the three charges of murder, sexual assault, and mutilating a corpse), which I was surprised about, given that she undoubtedly does have some degree of mental illness. I think the jury definitely came to the right conclusion, but I still expected a bit more debate.

What I'm getting to is: I strongly believe that Taylor's extremely inappropriate manner in the courtroom negatively influenced the jury. This leads me to wonder what effect Lucy's not-quite-right courtroom behaviour will have on the jury in this case.

Most of us who saw her in real life only saw her a few times, whereas the jury will have seen her every single day. The people who saw her when her own barrister was cross examining her saw a snivelling, pathetic, fragile character, whereas she then went on to be bolshy, arrogant, extremely confident and totally unfazed by everything when it was Nick Johnson's turn with her. They will have seen her waterworks during Bowel Movement's turn and Soppy Bollock's testimony, then seen her absolute nonchalance and unbothered-ness during the whole rest of the trial, including when cornered into admitting damaging facts or lying under oath.

What on earth will the jury make of all of this behaviour? While not as bad as Taylor Schabusiness barely hiding her glee, this is still not exactly the behaviour of an innocent person fighting to be believed? Plus the massive change in demeanour when BM was questioning her surely makes her look fake?
 
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Also please pray for me. Mr Brillo is doing farts so vile I might have to go and sleep on the sofa.

The cheekiest bleeping thing about it? He's wearing his bloody CPAP mask so he can't smell it. 😡😡😡😡

The bleeping audacity. 😭
 
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I hope he had a wonderful time. Only ever camped out as teenager. Easy to sleep well in a tent if you're pissed/stoned.
I'm a responsible adult now and camping isn't for me. My eldest did a treck/camping for her DOE award. My God did that kid moan like duck when she got home. After the 1st day/night she woke early and burst into tears of despair.
So much my daughter.
Drama queen.
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My daughter called me and asked to be picked up halfway through their 6 mile walk to camp 😂😂
 
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Having a hard night tonight with my thoughts. Nothing too dark but just made a choice a few years ago and needless to say I’m terrible for dwelling on the past. Need to remember I made it with all the information I had at that time.
That's all you can do - any of us can only go on what we have at the time. I read a quote somewhere which said something like "Life can only be understood backwards but must be lived forwards"... damn right, sadly.

I empathise as the more time goes on, the more obvious the choice you made/didn't make gets, and the more 'what if's. I beat myself up about bad choices and decisions years ago (and more recently) that have affected my life.. it's terrible dwelling on this kind of stuff, nothing can change, nothing good comes of it, but still we do it.

Hope you get a bit of peace of mind.
 
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Just some more late night thoughts. I was thinking about the Lucy's victim selection, and there seem to be a few groupings: multiples; existing medical vulnerability; special dates; and issues regarding the parents.

Baby A and B - Twins, and Lucifer apparently wrongly believed they had their mother's anti-phospholipid syndrome, so they could also be grouped in existing vulnerability.

Baby C - Existing vulnerability: born weighing only 800g (the smallest size baby CoCh was supposed to take) and did not grow properly in the womb, as Lucifer noted after his death. His mother was a GP so possibly Lucy's inferiority complex was a motive.

Baby D - Special date: murdered on father's day. Lucifer was probably on the hunt for a victim for this day, and Baby D's father had presented himself as very anxious and needing reassurance on a number of occasions to the nurses, including Lucifer. I speculate that Baby D's father's sensitivity, anxiety and vulnerability made him irresistible as a victim-by-proxy on Father's day. It was the father's reaction (screaming on the floor) that she texted about afterwards.

Babies E and F - Twins.

Baby G - Special dates: attacked on her 100th day post-birth, and her due date. She is and was a miracle baby, born at 23 weeks in the toilet, and had miraculously survived with no ill effects, until Lucifer got her hands on her. She was also the only child born to an older mother, probably this lady's one and only chance at motherhood.

Baby H - Existing vulnerability, with the conspicuous chest drains.

Baby I - This is the only one I'm not sure why Lucifer selected her as a victim. It could be the convenience at knowing the family's visiting routine so well, as the mother had other children at home to care for. Also it sounded like the unit all knew this baby and her family very well - perhaps it was to cause grief on the whole unit.

Baby J - Twin: her twin died in the womb, plus other unrelated twins were admitted as an emergency just before she was attacked (perhaps double sabotage?). Also had a stoma, which looks conspicuous and dramatic to the uninformed. Lucy made a fuss about the dangers of stoma care.

Baby K - Existing vulnerability: born at 25 weeks at the CoCh, two weeks earlier gestation than they were equipped to take.

Babies L and M - Twins.

Baby N - Haemophilia sufferer, which Lucifer believed meant he had a 50/50 chance of survival.

Babies O and P - Triplets: super rare, naturally conceived identicals sharing one placenta, a one in 200 million miracle conception.

Baby Q - Twin: his twin had died in the womb. Also, possibly frustration at not being able to get her hands on the full set of triplets the previous day.
 
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Can I add people that say "Off of" as in got off of the table. You don't need the "of".
Have to say this is mostly said in London/SE and it's really silly
A primary school teacher wrote "should of" in a comment on line and my opinion of her as a teacher plummeted.
 
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Just some more late night thoughts. I was thinking about the Lucy's victim selection, and there seem to be a few groupings: multiples; existing medical vulnerability; special dates; and issues regarding the parents.

Baby A and B - Twins, and Lucifer apparently wrongly believed they had their mother's anti-phospholipid syndrome, so they could also be grouped in existing vulnerability.

Baby C - Existing vulnerability: born weighing only 800g (the smallest size baby CoCh was supposed to take) and did not grow properly in the womb, as Lucifer noted after his death. His mother was a GP so possibly Lucy's inferiority complex was a motive.

Baby D - Special date: murdered on father's day. Lucifer was probably on the hunt for a victim for this day, and Baby D's father had presented himself as very anxious and needing reassurance on a number of occasions to the nurses, including Lucifer. I speculate that Baby D's father's sensitivity, anxiety and vulnerability made him irresistible as a victim-by-proxy on Father's day. It was the father's reaction (screaming on the floor) that she texted about afterwards.

Babies E and F - Twins.

Baby G - Special dates: attacked on her 100th day post-birth, and her due date. She is and was a miracle baby, born at 23 weeks in the toilet, and had miraculously survived with no ill effects, until Lucifer got her hands on her. She was also the only child born to an older mother, probably this lady's one and only chance at motherhood.

Baby H - Existing vulnerability, with the conspicuous chest drains.

Baby I - This is the only one I'm not sure why Lucifer selected her as a victim. It could be the convenience at knowing the family's visiting routine so well, as the mother had other children at home to care for. Also it sounded like the unit all knew this baby and her family very well - perhaps it was to cause grief on the whole unit.

Baby J - Twin: her twin died in the womb, plus other unrelated twins were admitted as an emergency just before she was attacked (perhaps double sabotage?). Also had a stoma, which looks conspicuous and dramatic to the uninformed. Lucy made a fuss about the dangers of stoma care.

Baby K - Existing vulnerability: born at 25 weeks at the CoCh, two weeks earlier gestation than they were equipped to take.

Babies L and M - Twins.

Baby N - Haemophilia sufferer, which Lucifer believed meant he had a 50/50 chance of survival.

Babies O and P - Triplets: super rare, naturally conceived identicals sharing one placenta, a one in 200 million miracle conception.

Baby Q - Twin: his twin had died in the womb. Also, possibly frustration at not being able to get her hands on the full set of triplets the previous day.
Definitely think there could be a correlation with the mother’s condition after birth too. Many of them seem to have been coming down from the ward, “wheeled down” often. If they had c sections (maybe more likely with twins too?) or complications it will mean their babies were more likely to have been left alone for greater periods. Same with having other children like baby I or babies that have been for a very lengthy time like baby G, at some point families have to return to normality and leave babies for longer spells. The parents of baby A and B didn’t leave Bs side (other family stayed too I believe) but on the first occasion B had been left while they got food, she had a cardiac arrest.
 
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Baby daisy decided sleep just wasn't her vibe last night, probably struggled to get comfy since she was running warmer. I can't complain because she sleeps so well usually, but I'm tired 😖 temp is back up to 40 too this morning, poor bubs.
 
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Just some more late night thoughts. I was thinking about the Lucy's victim selection, and there seem to be a few groupings: multiples; existing medical vulnerability; special dates; and issues regarding the parents.

Baby A and B - Twins, and Lucifer apparently wrongly believed they had their mother's anti-phospholipid syndrome, so they could also be grouped in existing vulnerability.

Baby C - Existing vulnerability: born weighing only 800g (the smallest size baby CoCh was supposed to take) and did not grow properly in the womb, as Lucifer noted after his death. His mother was a GP so possibly Lucy's inferiority complex was a motive.

Baby D - Special date: murdered on father's day. Lucifer was probably on the hunt for a victim for this day, and Baby D's father had presented himself as very anxious and needing reassurance on a number of occasions to the nurses, including Lucifer. I speculate that Baby D's father's sensitivity, anxiety and vulnerability made him irresistible as a victim-by-proxy on Father's day. It was the father's reaction (screaming on the floor) that she texted about afterwards.

Babies E and F - Twins.

Baby G - Special dates: attacked on her 100th day post-birth, and her due date. She is and was a miracle baby, born at 23 weeks in the toilet, and had miraculously survived with no ill effects, until Lucifer got her hands on her. She was also the only child born to an older mother, probably this lady's one and only chance at motherhood.

Baby H - Existing vulnerability, with the conspicuous chest drains.

Baby I - This is the only one I'm not sure why Lucifer selected her as a victim. It could be the convenience at knowing the family's visiting routine so well, as the mother had other children at home to care for. Also it sounded like the unit all knew this baby and her family very well - perhaps it was to cause grief on the whole unit.

Baby J - Twin: her twin died in the womb, plus other unrelated twins were admitted as an emergency just before she was attacked (perhaps double sabotage?). Also had a stoma, which looks conspicuous and dramatic to the uninformed. Lucy made a fuss about the dangers of stoma care.

Baby K - Existing vulnerability: born at 25 weeks at the CoCh, two weeks earlier gestation than they were equipped to take.

Babies L and M - Twins.

Baby N - Haemophilia sufferer, which Lucifer believed meant he had a 50/50 chance of survival.

Babies O and P - Triplets: super rare, naturally conceived identicals sharing one placenta, a one in 200 million miracle conception.

Baby Q - Twin: his twin had died in the womb. Also, possibly frustration at not being able to get her hands on the full set of triplets the previous day.
Such an enlightening post 👏 I have seen the mod on Reddit say they saw baby I’s mum was GP in an article somewhere - do we know if that is correct?
 
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Are you from Leicester? My sister went to university there and it sounds a bit Leicester from memory. To me Leicester is kind of the very edge between the North and South. A few miles down the road in Northampton baath becomes barf! 😆
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Where's your little lad been Della? Excuse me for being a nosy twit! 😍
I'm from Leicester. It's crazy the amount of different ways people tend to speak. You can go into Sainsbury's and hear all sorts of lingo it's very multicultural. I'm accused of having a posh voice by my very large family it doesn't bother me and makes me chuckle because I don't have a Leicester twang haha.

Alot of people 20s and younger are hard to understand sometimes. It drives me mad. I work in Northamptonshire and the way they speak makes me laugh it's chavs trying to sound posh.
 
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I’m from Leeds & I get apoplectic when people pronounce D’s as T’s. Bratford no it’s Bradford.
Then there’s the mis pronunciation “alately” basically adding a before the word lately ie “I’ve been feeling ill alately”

There’s no bleeping A that’a not a word!!!
 
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Definitely think there could be a correlation with the mother’s condition after birth too. Many of them seem to have been coming down from the ward, “wheeled down” often. If they had c sections (maybe more likely with twins too?) or complications it will mean their babies were more likely to have been left alone for greater periods. Same with having other children like baby I or babies that have been for a very lengthy time like baby G, at some point families have to return to normality and leave babies for longer spells. The parents of baby A and B didn’t leave Bs side (other family stayed too I believe) but on the first occasion B had been left while they got food, she had a cardiac arrest.
I bet that story of the Mum waking up in recovery to find Lucy looking through her notes was absolutely true.
 
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Just some more late night thoughts. I was thinking about the Lucy's victim selection, and there seem to be a few groupings: multiples; existing medical vulnerability; special dates; and issues regarding the parents.

Baby A and B - Twins, and Lucifer apparently wrongly believed they had their mother's anti-phospholipid syndrome, so they could also be grouped in existing vulnerability.

Baby C - Existing vulnerability: born weighing only 800g (the smallest size baby CoCh was supposed to take) and did not grow properly in the womb, as Lucifer noted after his death. His mother was a GP so possibly Lucy's inferiority complex was a motive.

Baby D - Special date: murdered on father's day. Lucifer was probably on the hunt for a victim for this day, and Baby D's father had presented himself as very anxious and needing reassurance on a number of occasions to the nurses, including Lucifer. I speculate that Baby D's father's sensitivity, anxiety and vulnerability made him irresistible as a victim-by-proxy on Father's day. It was the father's reaction (screaming on the floor) that she texted about afterwards.

Babies E and F - Twins.

Baby G - Special dates: attacked on her 100th day post-birth, and her due date. She is and was a miracle baby, born at 23 weeks in the toilet, and had miraculously survived with no ill effects, until Lucifer got her hands on her. She was also the only child born to an older mother, probably this lady's one and only chance at motherhood.

Baby H - Existing vulnerability, with the conspicuous chest drains.

Baby I - This is the only one I'm not sure why Lucifer selected her as a victim. It could be the convenience at knowing the family's visiting routine so well, as the mother had other children at home to care for. Also it sounded like the unit all knew this baby and her family very well - perhaps it was to cause grief on the whole unit.

Baby J - Twin: her twin died in the womb, plus other unrelated twins were admitted as an emergency just before she was attacked (perhaps double sabotage?). Also had a stoma, which looks conspicuous and dramatic to the uninformed. Lucy made a fuss about the dangers of stoma care.

Baby K - Existing vulnerability: born at 25 weeks at the CoCh, two weeks earlier gestation than they were equipped to take.

Babies L and M - Twins.

Baby N - Haemophilia sufferer, which Lucifer believed meant he had a 50/50 chance of survival.

Babies O and P - Triplets: super rare, naturally conceived identicals sharing one placenta, a one in 200 million miracle conception.

Baby Q - Twin: his twin had died in the womb. Also, possibly frustration at not being able to get her hands on the full set of triplets the previous day.
It's also interesting how A to D happened over four consecutive shifts for Lucy, like she needed to constantly attack then needed to force herself to stop for periods to stop it becoming suspicious.

I think when she heard about the identical triplets in Ibiza the urge was irresistible and she felt very frustrated when the surviving triplet was removed interupting her and so she then needed to attack again hence poor baby Q.

I think it really bothered Lucy that the surviving triplet escaped, as she had previously gone for both multiples. That's probably why the post it note was addressed to all three triplets as she didn't like to think of this attack as being incomplete.
 
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I dip in and out of these threads, as they move too quickly for me!

I had a dream that she was found not guilty on all charges and LL was crying with relief. It was really vivid!

I'm in the guilty camp, btw. I did start on the fence, but leaned towards guilty after she took the stand.
 
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I dip in and out of these threads, as they move too quickly for me!

I had a dream that she was found not guilty on all charges and LL was crying with relief. It was really vivid!

I'm in the guilty camp, btw. I did start on the fence, but leaned towards guilty after she took the stand.
Thank god it was just a dream then. If she gets off it’ll be the worst miscarriage of justice.
 
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My daughter called me and asked to be picked up halfway through their 6 mile walk to camp 😂😂
I was completely expecting the same. She was only a few miles away in Kent. Came back complaining of being "physically and mentally drained" and took straight to her bed for the next 2 days. Am genuinely shocked she finished.
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I'm from Leicester. It's crazy the amount of different ways people tend to speak. You can go into Sainsbury's and hear all sorts of lingo it's very multicultural. I'm accused of having a posh voice by my very large family it doesn't bother me and makes me chuckle because I don't have a Leicester twang haha.

Alot of people 20s and younger are hard to understand sometimes. It drives me mad. I work in Northamptonshire and the way they speak makes me laugh it's chavs trying to sound posh.
HAHA!! I remember Leicester folk saying "Im going toilet". I wondered where the "to the" went. 😅
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I bet that story of the Mum waking up in recovery to find Lucy looking through her notes was absolutely true.
But to fair to Letby, though I'm loathe to, looking through a patients notes is a perfectly normal thing for a nurse to do. Isn't it? I believe it's true too.
 
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