gigilouxx
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I’ll smash the house up
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DellaC
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Good Mooning.
I hope today is the day and if its not today then I hope it's tomorrow.
If its neither of them then I'd be content with Monday. And if it's not Monday then I'll have to reconsider my thoughts.
I wouldn't want to be on the jury for all the tea in China, for all the chocolate at Cadburys or for all the wine in a vineyard. I hope they're all fairing well and the end is nigh.
That's today's word vomit from me, I'm off!
Toodle pip you beautiful sluts
I hope today is the day and if its not today then I hope it's tomorrow.
If its neither of them then I'd be content with Monday. And if it's not Monday then I'll have to reconsider my thoughts.
I wouldn't want to be on the jury for all the tea in China, for all the chocolate at Cadburys or for all the wine in a vineyard. I hope they're all fairing well and the end is nigh.
That's today's word vomit from me, I'm off!
Toodle pip you beautiful sluts
mRsKbRoOkS
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Whenever I start to worry that the jury may find her not guilty - I remember the copious medical notes hidden in her homes, the practice sympathy card for the triplets and the bloody I KILLED THEM ON PURPOSE post it!! - I’d struggle to explain any of those things as innocent if I were on the jury and that is without all the medical evidence we have heard. Have faith gang that bitch is going down!!! I don’t doubt it just give them time 
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Cack_Conroe
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Did anyone else follow the Taylor Schabusiness trial?
Basically during a meth-fuelled sex session, Taylor, who had a husband and a toddler elsewhere, [graphic details follow] strangled her other boyfriend to death in his mum's basement, then proceeded to completely dismember his body and removed all the organs over the next several hours, using a bread knife. She placed his foot in his body cavity, and spread the body parts around the basement and her van. She also performed sex acts on and cuddled the corpse.
She admitted it immediately when arrested, claiming that she was choking him with a chain as part of their usual sex sessions, and just didn't stop and didn't know why. She seemed proud of herself, saying to police things like she "was riding him like a donkey" and "have fun finding all his organs". It came out in the trial that she was a fan of serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer and had googled things like "Jeffrey Dahmer outside court looking sexy".
She plead not guilty due to insanity. She does have a legitimate and quite extensive history of mental illness, along with diagnosed ADHD, and one expert said she was psychotic and had bipolar disorder. She has also had a hard life, with her mum dying of alcoholic cirrhosis of the liver when she was only 11; being sent to live with her grandparents the other side of the country when she was in her teens due to being a problem child; and her dad being jailed for 12 years for paedophilia, four years before she committed the murder. She had been on hard drugs including heroin and meth for some time before the murder.
She suddenly assaulted her own attorney at one point and had to be restrained, followed by her eventually saying "what happened?" as if she didn't know what was going on. She also threw a chair at the psychiatrist who had to evaluate her.
However, she was probably hamming up some of the mental illness, and another expert disputed the diagnoses and pointed out evidence that she was faking or exaggerating some of her symptoms. Plus the meth use was probably more responsible for her mental state than anything. She spent the entire four day trial either smirking, or pulling a "lol wtf?" face, and gave the impression that she was amused and pleased with her notoriety.
The jury only took 45 minutes to find that she wasn't insane (at least not enough to absolve her of the three charges of murder, sexual assault, and mutilating a corpse), which I was surprised about, given that she undoubtedly does have some degree of mental illness. I think the jury definitely came to the right conclusion, but I still expected a bit more debate.
What I'm getting to is: I strongly believe that Taylor's extremely inappropriate manner in the courtroom negatively influenced the jury. This leads me to wonder what effect Lucy's not-quite-right courtroom behaviour will have on the jury in this case.
Most of us who saw her in real life only saw her a few times, whereas the jury will have seen her every single day. The people who saw her when her own barrister was cross examining her saw a snivelling, pathetic, fragile character, whereas she then went on to be bolshy, arrogant, extremely confident and totally unfazed by everything when it was Nick Johnson's turn with her. They will have seen her waterworks during Bowel Movement's turn and Soppy Bollock's testimony, then seen her absolute nonchalance and unbothered-ness during the whole rest of the trial, including when cornered into admitting damaging facts or lying under oath.
What on earth will the jury make of all of this behaviour? While not as bad as Taylor Schabusiness barely hiding her glee, this is still not exactly the behaviour of an innocent person fighting to be believed? Plus the massive change in demeanour when BM was questioning her surely makes her look fake?
Basically during a meth-fuelled sex session, Taylor, who had a husband and a toddler elsewhere, [graphic details follow] strangled her other boyfriend to death in his mum's basement, then proceeded to completely dismember his body and removed all the organs over the next several hours, using a bread knife. She placed his foot in his body cavity, and spread the body parts around the basement and her van. She also performed sex acts on and cuddled the corpse.
She admitted it immediately when arrested, claiming that she was choking him with a chain as part of their usual sex sessions, and just didn't stop and didn't know why. She seemed proud of herself, saying to police things like she "was riding him like a donkey" and "have fun finding all his organs". It came out in the trial that she was a fan of serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer and had googled things like "Jeffrey Dahmer outside court looking sexy".
She plead not guilty due to insanity. She does have a legitimate and quite extensive history of mental illness, along with diagnosed ADHD, and one expert said she was psychotic and had bipolar disorder. She has also had a hard life, with her mum dying of alcoholic cirrhosis of the liver when she was only 11; being sent to live with her grandparents the other side of the country when she was in her teens due to being a problem child; and her dad being jailed for 12 years for paedophilia, four years before she committed the murder. She had been on hard drugs including heroin and meth for some time before the murder.
She suddenly assaulted her own attorney at one point and had to be restrained, followed by her eventually saying "what happened?" as if she didn't know what was going on. She also threw a chair at the psychiatrist who had to evaluate her.
However, she was probably hamming up some of the mental illness, and another expert disputed the diagnoses and pointed out evidence that she was faking or exaggerating some of her symptoms. Plus the meth use was probably more responsible for her mental state than anything. She spent the entire four day trial either smirking, or pulling a "lol wtf?" face, and gave the impression that she was amused and pleased with her notoriety.
The jury only took 45 minutes to find that she wasn't insane (at least not enough to absolve her of the three charges of murder, sexual assault, and mutilating a corpse), which I was surprised about, given that she undoubtedly does have some degree of mental illness. I think the jury definitely came to the right conclusion, but I still expected a bit more debate.
What I'm getting to is: I strongly believe that Taylor's extremely inappropriate manner in the courtroom negatively influenced the jury. This leads me to wonder what effect Lucy's not-quite-right courtroom behaviour will have on the jury in this case.
Most of us who saw her in real life only saw her a few times, whereas the jury will have seen her every single day. The people who saw her when her own barrister was cross examining her saw a snivelling, pathetic, fragile character, whereas she then went on to be bolshy, arrogant, extremely confident and totally unfazed by everything when it was Nick Johnson's turn with her. They will have seen her waterworks during Bowel Movement's turn and Soppy Bollock's testimony, then seen her absolute nonchalance and unbothered-ness during the whole rest of the trial, including when cornered into admitting damaging facts or lying under oath.
What on earth will the jury make of all of this behaviour? While not as bad as Taylor Schabusiness barely hiding her glee, this is still not exactly the behaviour of an innocent person fighting to be believed? Plus the massive change in demeanour when BM was questioning her surely makes her look fake?
What's your point
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Ya know what I am just gonna say it, sick of negative posts about the jury (though I wish they would hurry the fuck up).
None of us know for sure why there have been delays during a trial which has gone on for over 9 months.
These people have had to sit there day on day out and give up their normal routines, they didn't ask to be there.
It is OK for us sat here with a wiki to refer back to and able to dissect every little bit of the trial, they havnt been able to do that! They can't be expected to remember every single bit of evidence.
The jury process we have is not perfect but it is what we have so I choose to trust the process and if they come back with some NG verdicts then yeh that is really shit but they have heard ALL the evidence (we have not). And they have to live with the decisions they make not us.
I feel desperately sad for the parents and families of these babies but I also believe in the justice system and think we need to trust that they make the right decision.
If the evidence is not quite there in all the cases then that is on the prosecution not the jury.
None of us know for sure why there have been delays during a trial which has gone on for over 9 months.
These people have had to sit there day on day out and give up their normal routines, they didn't ask to be there.
It is OK for us sat here with a wiki to refer back to and able to dissect every little bit of the trial, they havnt been able to do that! They can't be expected to remember every single bit of evidence.
The jury process we have is not perfect but it is what we have so I choose to trust the process and if they come back with some NG verdicts then yeh that is really shit but they have heard ALL the evidence (we have not). And they have to live with the decisions they make not us.
I feel desperately sad for the parents and families of these babies but I also believe in the justice system and think we need to trust that they make the right decision.
If the evidence is not quite there in all the cases then that is on the prosecution not the jury.
Chester Standard are reporting that there were 12 agreed statements for baby H. We only have 4 in the wiki!!! That is quite a strong example of how there is a lot that has not been reported.
At about 3pm on Wednesday, a note from the jury requested copies of agreed statements in respect of the charges for Child H.
Trial judge Mr Justice James Goss replied that copies of the transcripts were not possible to be delivered to members of the jury, but he could re-read, on request, which of those 12 agreed statements as they had been heard in court.
The jury retired for a few moments to indicate which agreed statements they wished to hear again.
Upon their return, the trial judge re-read agreed three statements; one from Child H's father, and two doctors who had been involved in the transport and care of Child H to Arrowe Park.
After the judge had finished reading the statements, the jury was sent home shortly before 4pm.
The jury had previously been told that agreed evidence statements should be treated the same as if a witness had come into court to give evidence.
www.chesterstandard.co.uk
At about 3pm on Wednesday, a note from the jury requested copies of agreed statements in respect of the charges for Child H.
Trial judge Mr Justice James Goss replied that copies of the transcripts were not possible to be delivered to members of the jury, but he could re-read, on request, which of those 12 agreed statements as they had been heard in court.
The jury retired for a few moments to indicate which agreed statements they wished to hear again.
Upon their return, the trial judge re-read agreed three statements; one from Child H's father, and two doctors who had been involved in the transport and care of Child H to Arrowe Park.
After the judge had finished reading the statements, the jury was sent home shortly before 4pm.
The jury had previously been told that agreed evidence statements should be treated the same as if a witness had come into court to give evidence.
Lucy Letby trial jury concludes deliberations for ninth day
THE jury in the trial of baby murder-accused nurse Lucy Letby has been sent home after concluding deliberations for a ninth day today (Thursday,…
Haveyouanywool
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Sorry, I totally disagree. Seems to me the jury have been very dedicated.Hate to say this, but I feel like there’s going to be a NG verdict despite all your reassurancesthe thing is, this has just gone on way too long. There have been too many breaks, too many absences. Realising the jury don’t have all the evidence in front of them to go back over makes me certain they’ll almost throw the towel in and say look we can’t convict a woman to life in prison without understanding everything so I’m saying NG. Just feel like there will be a majority of jurors who haven’t been able to keep up with everything so they won’t convict. It will be the biggest miscarriage of justice in British legal history if so. But the poor murdered babies & their family deserved so much better than this farce. The police diligently gathered evidence, the prosecution presented it in an excellent clear way which to me, proves without a shadow of a doubt letby is a vile murder. But then we leave it to 12 random people who have been taking so much time off that at the end of it, they can’t even recall the basic agreed facts of the case. They obviously haven’t been able to cope with being part of this case or been comfortable with making decisions, they’ve tried to get out of being on the jury by phoning in sick constantly (I’ve suspected those jurors have been trying to get a mistrial announced by doing so & when that’s failed just took so much time off instead) So no way after not being totally dedicated will they vote guilty. Not good enough on any level. All feels like a massive failure. Should be judge only decision in such complex cases.
I have faith in them to carry on through to the end, and make the right decisions.
kabukigirl
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So I was looking at a FB page which follows trials and saw a LL post - someone in the comments said she knows one of the family’s involved and they are just desperate for closure and they have bad PTSD from everything that’s happened.
Just made me feel really fucking sad, and then so angry at that stupid bitch for doing this to these families - and for having the AUDACITY to say she has PTSD from her arrest in her Leisure Suit. What a disgusting piece of beige shit - and all the Letby simps, fuck you also - absolute footstalls
Just made me feel really fucking sad, and then so angry at that stupid bitch for doing this to these families - and for having the AUDACITY to say she has PTSD from her arrest in her Leisure Suit. What a disgusting piece of beige shit - and all the Letby simps, fuck you also - absolute footstalls
mRsKbRoOkS
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Fun fact now we are on washing powder talk! When I was pregnant with my youngest I craved the bold lavender and Camomile washing powder!! I genuinely wanted to literally eat it with a spoon….. I didn’t…. But I did soak clean flannels into it and suck them. Probably not recommended but the craving was so strong! Ridiculous thing was I can’t even use that washing powder as bring’s me up in a rash, so I was buying it to purely smell and um suck 
Cack_Conroe
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Just some more late night thoughts. I was thinking about the Lucy's victim selection, and there seem to be a few groupings: multiples; existing medical vulnerability; special dates; and issues regarding the parents.
Baby A and B - Twins, and Lucifer apparently wrongly believed they had their mother's anti-phospholipid syndrome, so they could also be grouped in existing vulnerability.
Baby C - Existing vulnerability: born weighing only 800g (the smallest size baby CoCh was supposed to take) and did not grow properly in the womb, as Lucifer noted after his death. His mother was a GP so possibly Lucy's inferiority complex was a motive.
Baby D - Special date: murdered on father's day. Lucifer was probably on the hunt for a victim for this day, and Baby D's father had presented himself as very anxious and needing reassurance on a number of occasions to the nurses, including Lucifer. I speculate that Baby D's father's sensitivity, anxiety and vulnerability made him irresistible as a victim-by-proxy on Father's day. It was the father's reaction (screaming on the floor) that she texted about afterwards.
Babies E and F - Twins.
Baby G - Special dates: attacked on her 100th day post-birth, and her due date. She is and was a miracle baby, born at 23 weeks in the toilet, and had miraculously survived with no ill effects, until Lucifer got her hands on her. She was also the only child born to an older mother, probably this lady's one and only chance at motherhood.
Baby H - Existing vulnerability, with the conspicuous chest drains.
Baby I - This is the only one I'm not sure why Lucifer selected her as a victim. It could be the convenience at knowing the family's visiting routine so well, as the mother had other children at home to care for. Also it sounded like the unit all knew this baby and her family very well - perhaps it was to cause grief on the whole unit.
Baby J - Twin: her twin died in the womb, plus other unrelated twins were admitted as an emergency just before she was attacked (perhaps double sabotage?). Also had a stoma, which looks conspicuous and dramatic to the uninformed. Lucy made a fuss about the dangers of stoma care.
Baby K - Existing vulnerability: born at 25 weeks at the CoCh, two weeks earlier gestation than they were equipped to take.
Babies L and M - Twins.
Baby N - Haemophilia sufferer, which Lucifer believed meant he had a 50/50 chance of survival.
Babies O and P - Triplets: super rare, naturally conceived identicals sharing one placenta, a one in 200 million miracle conception.
Baby Q - Twin: his twin had died in the womb. Also, possibly frustration at not being able to get her hands on the full set of triplets the previous day.
Baby A and B - Twins, and Lucifer apparently wrongly believed they had their mother's anti-phospholipid syndrome, so they could also be grouped in existing vulnerability.
Baby C - Existing vulnerability: born weighing only 800g (the smallest size baby CoCh was supposed to take) and did not grow properly in the womb, as Lucifer noted after his death. His mother was a GP so possibly Lucy's inferiority complex was a motive.
Baby D - Special date: murdered on father's day. Lucifer was probably on the hunt for a victim for this day, and Baby D's father had presented himself as very anxious and needing reassurance on a number of occasions to the nurses, including Lucifer. I speculate that Baby D's father's sensitivity, anxiety and vulnerability made him irresistible as a victim-by-proxy on Father's day. It was the father's reaction (screaming on the floor) that she texted about afterwards.
Babies E and F - Twins.
Baby G - Special dates: attacked on her 100th day post-birth, and her due date. She is and was a miracle baby, born at 23 weeks in the toilet, and had miraculously survived with no ill effects, until Lucifer got her hands on her. She was also the only child born to an older mother, probably this lady's one and only chance at motherhood.
Baby H - Existing vulnerability, with the conspicuous chest drains.
Baby I - This is the only one I'm not sure why Lucifer selected her as a victim. It could be the convenience at knowing the family's visiting routine so well, as the mother had other children at home to care for. Also it sounded like the unit all knew this baby and her family very well - perhaps it was to cause grief on the whole unit.
Baby J - Twin: her twin died in the womb, plus other unrelated twins were admitted as an emergency just before she was attacked (perhaps double sabotage?). Also had a stoma, which looks conspicuous and dramatic to the uninformed. Lucy made a fuss about the dangers of stoma care.
Baby K - Existing vulnerability: born at 25 weeks at the CoCh, two weeks earlier gestation than they were equipped to take.
Babies L and M - Twins.
Baby N - Haemophilia sufferer, which Lucifer believed meant he had a 50/50 chance of survival.
Babies O and P - Triplets: super rare, naturally conceived identicals sharing one placenta, a one in 200 million miracle conception.
Baby Q - Twin: his twin had died in the womb. Also, possibly frustration at not being able to get her hands on the full set of triplets the previous day.
DellaC
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I'm having the time of my life, my Sciatica has flared up so I'm tucked in bed and thanks to Alexa I'm winding my husband up. He's 2 floors down in the kitchen and I've been ordering asking him to bring me all sorts and 'accidentally' forgetting something important as soon as he gets back.
Then just now I sent an announcement, started talking normally and then stuttered my words as if its breaking up
He's going ape shit hahaha.
Anyway we're having a bed buffet and watching Hijack. I didn't know Max Beesley was in it.....even my shrivelled up love palace has awoken a little at Idris and Max in my bedroom
Hope you're all having a lovely weekend
Then just now I sent an announcement, started talking normally and then stuttered my words as if its breaking up
He's going ape shit hahaha. Anyway we're having a bed buffet and watching Hijack. I didn't know Max Beesley was in it.....even my shrivelled up love palace has awoken a little at Idris and Max in my bedroom
Hope you're all having a lovely weekend
Lucyxxxx
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If I won the lottery I would also contact my shitty parents and ask them how it feels knowing I would be showing them the same consideration they showed me throughout my life. *evil laughs*
My dad is actually a millionaire so he probably wouldn't care too much but it would sting my horrible mother greatly.
My dad is actually a millionaire so he probably wouldn't care too much but it would sting my horrible mother greatly.
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Londonlady68
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I was scared of Tattle. MN made it sound like a hideous corner of the dark web. I thought it was on the dark web! They were so wrong.
If you want to be abused, bullied and told you're a pathetic human being for having a toilet brush or not bleaching your kitchen twice a day, head over there!
If you want to be abused, bullied and told you're a pathetic human being for having a toilet brush or not bleaching your kitchen twice a day, head over there!
he hates doctors doesn’t he. Definitely been rejected in some way by one, or wasn’t accepted to medical school.
Great work by whoever rightly reported his threats - maybe the threats of shooting had to delay the deliberations until they were investigated for all we know. As much as I love you all, social media has been the worst thing to happen to society in our lifetime because of people like him.
Lucyxxxx
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I'd hire a hummer limo with a banner printed on it with a picture of me and my lotto check. To repeatedly drive past every fucker who has ever crossed me.
Ah great news, well for me anyway. I’ve arrived 
and I have one bar of 4G when I sit on the bed (perfect spot to catch up on this thread and google LL trial for updates). Particularly handy when I’m having 5 minutes hiding from my kids
It does feel like we are never going to get a verdict at times but it’s coming and each day we are closer!
I’ve said it a few times but this thread, despite the awful circumstances that bring us here, is a lovely corner of the internet. I’ve been a long time lurker on tattle and had my account for 3 years, this is the only thread I’ve commented on and it’s since following along from the beginning and seeing the camaraderie that turned me from lurker to commenter!
Here’s to getting a verdict sooner rather than later (and before my data runs out)
and I have one bar of 4G when I sit on the bed (perfect spot to catch up on this thread and google LL trial for updates). Particularly handy when I’m having 5 minutes hiding from my kids It does feel like we are never going to get a verdict at times but it’s coming and each day we are closer!
I’ve said it a few times but this thread, despite the awful circumstances that bring us here, is a lovely corner of the internet. I’ve been a long time lurker on tattle and had my account for 3 years, this is the only thread I’ve commented on and it’s since following along from the beginning and seeing the camaraderie that turned me from lurker to commenter!
Here’s to getting a verdict sooner rather than later (and before my data runs out)