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Oh I hope mini Caledonian is much better soonPosted as the last thread locked. How is everyone feeling now the verdict is so close to coming? I'm praying for a guilty verdict for all the families so they can get justice.
I don't know how much I'll be able to follow today as in a and e with mini Caledonian as he's not putting on weight as he should despite constantly feeding and he's very sleepy so much so I'm struggling to wake him for feeds (13 yesterday and had to wake him for 9 of them)
I'm quite apprehensive today but I don't know why. I still think she's guilty though
12:25pm
The judge says Mr Myers "repeatedly expressed his opinions" on the merits of the expert evidence, questioning and challenging them.
He says that is his right, but it is up to the jury to determine the reliability of the expert evidence.
The judge refers to Prof Owen Arthurs' evidence, who "considered each case on its own merits".
Prof Arthurs was provided with radiograph images of Child A.
He noted the umbilical catheter was "slightly in the wrong place", and there was "a line of gas in front of the spine" on one of the images, which was "an unusual finding".
He said it was "so unusual", he reviewed other cases at Great Ormond Street Hospital, to compare for a similar images.
He said such gas would normally only be seen in heavy impacts such as road traffic incidents - this could obviously be discounted.
The other usual case would be "overwhelming infection" in organs of the body, such as sepsis, but Child A did not have any such identifiers.
He said he had "not seen this much gas" in any baby, other than in the case of Child D.
He said it was 'consistent with air administered' to him, but 'not diagnostic' of it.
In cross-examination, he said he found no unexplained cases, and accepted this was an observational study, not a controlled study - the judge says for obvious reasons, the latter could not be carried out.
The judge says Mr Myers "repeatedly expressed his opinions" on the merits of the expert evidence, questioning and challenging them.
He says that is his right, but it is up to the jury to determine the reliability of the expert evidence.
The judge refers to Prof Owen Arthurs' evidence, who "considered each case on its own merits".
Prof Arthurs was provided with radiograph images of Child A.
He noted the umbilical catheter was "slightly in the wrong place", and there was "a line of gas in front of the spine" on one of the images, which was "an unusual finding".
He said it was "so unusual", he reviewed other cases at Great Ormond Street Hospital, to compare for a similar images.
He said such gas would normally only be seen in heavy impacts such as road traffic incidents - this could obviously be discounted.
The other usual case would be "overwhelming infection" in organs of the body, such as sepsis, but Child A did not have any such identifiers.
He said he had "not seen this much gas" in any baby, other than in the case of Child D.
He said it was 'consistent with air administered' to him, but 'not diagnostic' of it.
In cross-examination, he said he found no unexplained cases, and accepted this was an observational study, not a controlled study - the judge says for obvious reasons, the latter could not be carried out.
I'm a newbie as well - must be really weird for all of the regulars to suddenly be undated with unknown folks - sorry! I feel weird as I feel like I've got to know you all from the 'outside' and now I'm finally in! I have been desperate to join since I discovered you just before Christmas as I've wanted to cast my guilty vote on every thread.
I'm not ginger officially but have ginger skin - lots of freckles and burn like a freak if the sun even looks at me and I love Turkish Delight - I used to have a Matalan card years ago but haven't been for at least 10 years so hopefully you won't use that against me
. I've been firmly guilty since I first heard of the case - I'm an adult ICU nurse by background, although I no longer work as a nurse but am still in the NHS in a different role, and I followed the Beverley Allitt case as much as I could at the time as I was a newly qualified nurse when she committed her crimes. I can totally see how LL got away with it for so long but I have great faith in the jury to do the right thing and get some degree of justice for these families and their poor defenseless little babies. I'm definitely not on the LL Facebook groups - I'm a nutter but not in that way!
Thank you to all who have made me laugh hysterically, to the point where my husband rolls his eyes as he realises what I'm reading, in what is a very sad and distressing case. The love and support you've all shown each other has been very heartwarming and amazing
I'm not ginger officially but have ginger skin - lots of freckles and burn like a freak if the sun even looks at me and I love Turkish Delight - I used to have a Matalan card years ago but haven't been for at least 10 years so hopefully you won't use that against me
. I've been firmly guilty since I first heard of the case - I'm an adult ICU nurse by background, although I no longer work as a nurse but am still in the NHS in a different role, and I followed the Beverley Allitt case as much as I could at the time as I was a newly qualified nurse when she committed her crimes. I can totally see how LL got away with it for so long but I have great faith in the jury to do the right thing and get some degree of justice for these families and their poor defenseless little babies. I'm definitely not on the LL Facebook groups - I'm a nutter but not in that way!Thank you to all who have made me laugh hysterically, to the point where my husband rolls his eyes as he realises what I'm reading, in what is a very sad and distressing case. The love and support you've all shown each other has been very heartwarming and amazing
12:29pm
Prof Arthurs said radiographic evidence of air embolus was "rare", and in suspected cases, seeing anything on the radiograph was "rare".
He said the absence of it on the radiograph did not rule that cause out.
He said one of the reasons is the imaging of the event is not important, the main priority is to save the life.
An x-ray taken an hour later "wouldn't show anything".
Prof Arthurs said radiographic evidence of air embolus was "rare", and in suspected cases, seeing anything on the radiograph was "rare".
He said the absence of it on the radiograph did not rule that cause out.
He said one of the reasons is the imaging of the event is not important, the main priority is to save the life.
An x-ray taken an hour later "wouldn't show anything".
I've been waiting a week for him to say this. His opinions - nothing more.
Oh I like that. Opinions, the jury will note that.
Yup "opinions" is the operative word there and I've been waiting for it to be pointed out as its important that they remember that all he has based it off is his opinions and no other expert witnesses to corroborate
Damn right judge!!! His OPINION only and nothing else …. Nada, not one expert to back up his ridiculous allegations!
I think repeatedly is doing a bit of heavy lifting too. Judge has no time for BM'S rit!
I'm curious to see how Judge Goss sums up the notes and specifically "I did this on purpose...". I know he is showing both sides but I maintain that the evidence is so strongly weighted against her that it will be hard for him to show everything conpletely impartially
If she’s found not guilty I’m going down the court throwing flour and cheese slices
Every update on Chester Standard impresses me more. Couldn't have asked for a better judge. I wonder if he is familiar with some of the expert witnesses from previous cases he has worked on (as both a judge and a barrister).
12:41pm
The judge refers to expert witness Dr Andreas Marnerides' evidence.
His expertise, the court is told, is on the pathology of conditions on those who had died.
He said there was "no evidence of infection" or "any other abnormalities".
He said he could see, from his study, "empty structures" of large or air in Child A - after testing, he ruled out the former.
He said he could see evidence of air in the brain when the baby was alive.
The findings "could not be taken as absolute proof of air embolus".
He said there was "no evidence of any natural cause of death", or any of natural disease.
He took the view that Child A's death was of air embolus via injection.
The judge refers to expert witness Dr Andreas Marnerides' evidence.
His expertise, the court is told, is on the pathology of conditions on those who had died.
He said there was "no evidence of infection" or "any other abnormalities".
He said he could see, from his study, "empty structures" of large or air in Child A - after testing, he ruled out the former.
He said he could see evidence of air in the brain when the baby was alive.
The findings "could not be taken as absolute proof of air embolus".
He said there was "no evidence of any natural cause of death", or any of natural disease.
He took the view that Child A's death was of air embolus via injection.
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