Lucy Letby Case #43

[amsmall]

So if the other nurse needed normal drug keys you signed them out every time ? As you can harm a patient more imo with meds from stock as controlled you need two signatures.

Both sets had normal drug keys on but the other set had the controlled drug keys on.

 

[KatieMorag]

I don't think I've ever picked up before that mum of baby E said LL bathed her baby and LL said the parents did the bathing.

Thats a really weird thing for Mum E to lie about or be mistaken about regardless of her grief and shock at the time. You would remember bathing (or not bathing) your child who had suddenly died unexpectedly and it makes no sense to lie about.

This jumped out at me as well. Of course the mum would remember. I believe her. The fact Lucy lied means she knows there was something really wrong in her motivations for bathing that baby.

The whole idea of her touching that precious baby that she'd just murdered knocks me sick. I feel for the parents of them all, but the baby E story and how the mum was sent away and then lied about is just so painful.

 

[Nurseali]

Both sets had normal drug keys on but the other set had the controlled drug keys on.

I would imagine on a small ward that works well. Would be impossible almost on a large busy ward.

 

[d0llyw00d192]

Been waiting forever to get in here

The contrarians on FB have been knocking me bad. Haven't been able to comment on NG group since I was accused of "bullying" that statistics crank and his wife's special antenna

I cannot wait for all the dirt to come out on her once trial is over and she's been found rightly guilty!

 

[Secretbrillopad]

Man's spilling some beans today

Spill ALL the tea you can, Boss Man Goss.



In all seriousness though, poor Baby E's mum.

 

[KatieMorag]

Been waiting forever to get in here

The contrarians on FB have been knocking me bad. Haven't been able to comment on NG group since I was accused of "bullying" that statistics crank and his wife's special antenna

I cannot wait for all the dirt to come out on her once trial is over and she's been found rightly guilty!

You bullied that statistics wanker? Thank you for your service.

 

[amsmall]

I would imagine on a small ward that works well. Would be impossible almost on a large busy ward.

It was a Psychiatric Intensive Care ward absolutely bouncing most days

 

[BearOnChair]

This summing up is continuing to make me more confident of a guilty verdict.
Weird to think this time next week there might already be a verdict in!

 

[jolt321]

The mother said she was panicking and asked Letby why Child E was bleeding, She said Letby said the NGT had been rubbing at the back of the throat.

Letby did not recall saying this. In cross-examination, she said she did not tell the mother and would not tell parents to go away. She accepted that in the interview for Child N, she had said an NGT could cause bleeding.


I didn't know this before. So LL basically denied saying to the mother of baby E that it was the NG tube causing irritation and that was the reason for the blood. Obviously she denied there was any blood at all

But it turns out that she did say this exact thing in relation to baby N.

I think they have 100% got her for baby E. It's got to be guilty.

 

[BearOnChair]

The mother said she was panicking and asked Letby why Child E was bleeding, She said Letby said the NGT had been rubbing at the back of the throat.

Letby did not recall saying this. In cross-examination, she said she did not tell the mother and would not tell parents to go away. She accepted that in the interview for Child N, she had said an NGT could cause bleeding.


I didn't know this before. So LL basically denied saying to the mother of baby E that it was the NG tube causing irritation and that was the reason for the blood. Obviously she denied there was any blood at all

But it turns out that she did say this exact thing in relation to baby N.

I think they have 100% got her for baby E. It's got to be guilty.

When it's mum vs letby it is 100% the mum telling the truth. No way would any mum forget or make those details up. What have they got to gain. That's glaring for me so the jury will see that too.

 

[Stiltoncheese]

The mother said she was panicking and asked Letby why Child E was bleeding, She said Letby said the NGT had been rubbing at the back of the throat.

Letby did not recall saying this. In cross-examination, she said she did not tell the mother and would not tell parents to go away. She accepted that in the interview for Child N, she had said an NGT could cause bleeding.


I didn't know this before. So LL basically denied saying to the mother of baby E that it was the NG tube causing irritation and that was the reason for the blood. Obviously she denied there was any blood at all

But it turns out that she did say this exact thing in relation to baby N.

I think they have 100% got her for baby E. It's got to be guilty.

I always thought that and its again an odd thing for a (non medically trained) parent to make up as how would they know if a tube may or may not irritate the throat enough to cause some bleeding or not. Mum saw blood and was clearly told something by the nurse

 

[kabukigirl]

With the judges summing up, I’ve never been so SURE of her guilt. I just don’t know how anyone reading this bleeping horror show can believe she is anything other than a malevolent, baby killing bleep. Blows my mind

 

[Faith61]

The mother said she was panicking and asked Letby why Child E was bleeding, She said Letby said the NGT had been rubbing at the back of the throat.

Letby did not recall saying this. In cross-examination, she said she did not tell the mother and would not tell parents to go away. She accepted that in the interview for Child N, she had said an NGT could cause bleeding.


I didn't know this before. So LL basically denied saying to the mother of baby E that it was the NG tube causing irritation and that was the reason for the blood. Obviously she denied there was any blood at all

But it turns out that she did say this exact thing in relation to baby N.

I think they have 100% got her for baby E. It's got to be guilty.

Love how he's referring to other babies when he's explaining her " behaviour/answers"..I was worried for the jury members after last week...not so much now!
They all deserve a bloody long holiday after all this...I can't imagine the toll it must have taken on them...you surely can't sit through this for all these months and just walk away, back to the " real world" and just carry on, i feel so.much for all involved in this god awful trial, apart from "her" obvs

 

[docmum]

Yeah ive worked in various places with shared keys, even different sets of keys or signing them in/out wouldn't reduce the risk if they're stored with other meds, just more chance of keys going missing.
Electronic signing out of meds is obviously better, and was great evidence against Cullen, but it's expensive and when I've worked with an omnicell the fridge was separate anyway so wouldn't solve the insulin issue.

I hear ‘who’s got the keys?’ echoing in my dreams all the time

 

[Windowtothewall]

she took a photo of her shift pattern? As something for her to remember? Wtf???

"She said the searches for the parents of Child E and Child F more than once on Facebook was part of a normal pattern of behaviour for her, as was taking a picture of the card for the parents. She said it was something for her to remember, as was a photo of her shift pattern."

Funny she didn't have photos or copies of Datix forms she claims she submitted...or photos of sewage flowing from the taps killing babies.

Nothing odd about taking a photo of her shift pattern - to remember what days/times she is working. But the way it is written here, being compared to the card as something to remember, makes me think it could have been a souvenir. Will depend on the timestamp of the photo - it would be weird if she took it a few weeks into the month, and didn't have photos of other shift patterns (BM wasn't reported to have explain the reasons for the shift photo so methinks it wasn't a normal pattern of behaviour for her.)

 

[Wellthisisinteresting]

Sorry for the horrific question but could you physically cause a bleed in the throat with a tube? Is that even possiable?

I’ve never wanted to punch someone in the face with a knuckle duster so hard in my life …. Repeatedly!

 

[sunbeamdream]

Hi all followed from the very beginning eg when i had the pop up at work that a nurse had been arrested. Guilty all the way from the very beginning!

Found last week very difficult, still never swayed from G just hoping the jury are on it!

Im not ginge, turkish delight is the work of the devil.

 

[Nurseali]

I hear ‘who’s got the keys?’ echoing in my dreams all the time

You can guarantee it's the last nurse you ask every single time

 

[BearOnChair]

Sorry for the horrific question but could you physically cause a bleed in the throat with a tube? Is that even possiable?

I’ve never wanted to punch someone in the face with a knuckle duster so hard in my life …. Repeatedly!

Spoiler: Too much info re endoscopy

I had an endocopy without sedation which is a fairly hefty tube and it wasnt pleasant. I gagged a fair bit and was sick a couple of times so plenty of throat trauma but I didn't bleed so goodness knows what force or poking is needed to make it bleed with feeding tube. Which I've also had and its alot smaller

 

[IdeletedbutI'mbackagain]

Sorry for the horrific question but could you physically cause a bleed in the throat with a tube? Is that even possiable?

I’ve never wanted to punch someone in the face with a knuckle duster so hard in my life …. Repeatedly!

If it was a NG feeding tube she was referring to then no it wouldn't be possible. She used some other instrument to cause the bleeding.

They NG tubes are so soft to touch and have very little rigidity.

Spoiler: Not my baby, a baby from Google.