Lucy Letby Case #43

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On the next thread we could have a little poll on how long jury deliberations are going to take.
4-5 days for me.
Do they still have to stick to court timings or can they start early and finish late each day?
 
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Been waiting forever to get in here 😂

The contrarians on FB have been knocking me bad. Haven't been able to comment on NG group since I was accused of "bullying" that statistics crank and his wife's special antenna

I cannot wait for all the dirt to come out on her once trial is over and she's been found rightly guilty!
Can relate to this … soon as I told that lot I had been to court and heard with own ears her slip up and admit on the stand.. that basically she is a murderer they got all argumentative. I too got accused of bullying 🥴 .

oh sooooo sorry to not want lucifer to have a lovely life with a dream man like she deserves !!!! 🤮. Set of deranged folk!!! They will still be spouting their strange thoughts when she gets her WLO.
From what I’ve seen and heard any1 who doesn’t agree gets blocked 🙄 xx

not a clue why they call it a LL discussion group … it’s more apt to call it … loving Lucys lettuce …some Of those men on there actually fetch vomit in my mouth 🤮 xx
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On the next thread we could have a little poll on how long jury deliberations are going to take.
4-5 days for me.
Do they still have to stick to court timings or can they start early and finish late each day?
I say about same 4/5 days … think they could have a unanimous vote to start off … but to be fare to the witch will have to go threw each case .. poor sods bet they sick of sight of her … she has took all them months off their lives … but she won’t give a tit about that either 😡 xx
 
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3:10pm

The prosecution case is after the 2am feed for Child G, administered by a colleague, Letby deliberately injected milk and air afterwards.
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3:17pm

September 7, 2015 was Child G's 100th day of life, and a banner was prepared to celebrate that on the unit.

Child G was still on nasal prongs and some oxygen, and was "stable".

A nurse said she usually completed the chart after the feed. The 2am, 45ml feed was given via an NGT. Letby agreed the readings were good at this time.

The nurse said an aspirate was taken from Child G for a pH check, this level being 4. She then went on her break at 2.05am-2.10am. When she returned, she found Child G had deteriorated with a projectile vomit. The deterioration had come as a surprise to her.
 
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It's truly awful. I don't think see can have seen the babies as people more like things or possessions. It's the only way I can get my head round hurting such small babies when every fibre of you usually wants to protect them. I can't even deal with hearing parents leaving their baby to cry instead of cuddling them up.
When I spent a day with the nursing team that I work for, it was quiet, so we went onto the NNU and I shadowed the nurse doing feeds and cares, I asked them how do they cope with seeing this day in, day out, especially being a parent. They said you almost have to look at them like little dolls or something and try not to get too emotionally attached, otherwise you're scuppered. So maybe there was an element of that in LL's view of the babies, idk?

Edited to add - obviously this is only the viewpoint of that one particular nurse, I'm sure there are very many points of view amongst the professionals.
 
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Reading about Baby G's fight for life just kills me off💔
Her designated nurse goes on a break, with Baby G doing just fine, and within minutes, all hell breaks loose for her!😭
 
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It's high time, she has to be locked away.She hated Baby E"s mum because she caught her in the process of attacking her baby.She also hates Dr Jayaram for the same reason.I can't wait for the verdict. The witch should go.😡
 
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When I spent a day with the nursing team that I work for, it was quiet, so we went onto the NNU and I shadowed the nurse doing feeds and cares, I asked them how do they cope with seeing this day in, day out, especially being a parent. They said you almost have to look at them like little dolls or something and try not to get too emotionally attached, otherwise you're scuppered. So maybe there was an element of that in LL's view of the babies, idk?

Edited to add - obviously this is only the viewpoint of that one particular nurse, I'm sure there are very many points of view amongst the professionals.
Yeah I think that's what it is. Like she was trying to get her own attention but didn't see them as little people.
I mean that's how I rationalise her actions because that's bad enough without thinking she saw them as babies and did it anyway.
 
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It's very telling that Goss hasn't said "but the defence say/argue..." for the majority of his summations today
 
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Baby G is so upsetting as well. They all are, but she fought so hard and was even taken away to safety for a while.

The REAMS and REAMS of evidence though. And then the only counter is 'but the defence say LL didn't do it'.
 
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Baby G is so upsetting as well. They all are, but she fought so hard and was even taken away to safety for a while.

The REAMS and REAMS of evidence though. And then the only counter is 'but the defence say LL didn't do it'.
And then returns...and ends up in the hands of this monster again💔💔
 
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I rarely post there, not because I’m afraid of getting jumped on I can handle myself in an argument but just because if you don’t think she’s innocent then there’s something wrong with you. I cba with that mentality. Plus the fawning over Lucy comments are vile imo. They would say the same about here and how we joke but hey ho. I’d be more worried about upsetting the babies’ families than the one charged with their murder. 😝
I honestly think a lot of it is just idiots seeing ‘young smily blonde’ and short circuiting to the halo effect. I bet that when the updated mugshot with older angry Lucifer pops up a lot of thirsty eejits’ll suddenly ‘realise’ the evidence was convincing….
 
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3:25pm

Shift leader Ailsa Simpson said she was at the nursing station with Letby when she heard Child G vomit - when they went over, the alarm for Child G went off, and there was "a large amount of milk" fed, and the vomit was on the cot, on the floor and on the chair adjacent to the cot.

Respiratory support was given via Neopuffs.

Letby had said, in evidence, she had no contact with Child G prior to the vomiting episode. She said she was aware Child G had a lot of ongoing issues, but the observations were good up to that 2am feed. She said she had been with Ailsa Simpson when they heard Child G vomit, and the alarm had gone off. She said when they arrived, no-one else was in there. She said they immediately started to give Child G Neopuffs. She identified a possible problem of the nursing colleague overfeeding Child G, but did not believe that likely.

In police interview, Letby said it was a "shock" for three deaths in June-September 2015, and "didn't feel there was anything to need to look into". She said the nursing colleague was on a break when the vomit happened. She said sometimes babies vomit, but did not often projectile vomit. She said when babies vomit, they can taken on air when gasping. She added she was not sure of the cause of air in Child G's abdomen.

In a separate police interview, Letby said Child G had either received more than 45ml milk, or had undigested milk from a previous feed. She said it was an oversight from a previous interview that she had not mentioned the vomit going on the floor and the chair by the cot.
 
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That’s mad. They prescribed opioids to people over years and years when they weren’t required. Can someone in that line of work explain what may have taken place here? Why were they doing this?

Also I bet Letbers will be annoyed that this investigation happened before she got caught. Would’ve given extra ammo to the conspiracy lot.
It's a hospital culture issue. This predominantly affects the rehab ward(s) and elderly care.

Shipman x 19.
 
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Can't even have a leisurely stroll on my lunch without something reminding me of LL 😒😒😒😒 my heart bleeds for her that she'll never step foot in Matalan again 😏
Same
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Every day on my lunch when I walk past Manchester crown court I think about how she’ll never see this side of the building again 🤪
 
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3:35pm

Dr Alison Ventress said the vomit had been reported to her.

For a description of Child G being in distress, and the abdomen purple and distended, she could not recall if that was something she had seen or was told, and the same went for Child G's watery stool, and a subsequenty improved abdomen.

Dr Ventress was then called urgently to theatre.

She said by this time, Child G was looking better.

She was called out of theatre before 3.30am as Child G was apnoeic and had desaturated, and it took five minutes for the saturations to pick back up.

Child G went to room 1, and had a further profound desaturation.

At the time of insertion of an ET Tube, blood-stained fluid was noted beneath the vocal cords, which Dr Ventress noted was "unusual".

Dr Brearey said he had not seen a projectile vomit in a pre-term baby like Child G.

There was a further profound desaturation at 6.05am, and the decision was made to reintubate Child G.

'Thick secretions++' in the mouth and a blood clot in the breathing tube was noted.

The NG tube was aspirated and 100ml was aspirated.

Dr Ventress said she was not sure it was air, as that was not documented, as it would be noted otherwise.

Dr Brearey took the '100ml' reading to be fluid or milk.

Letby's case, the judge says, is she did nothing wrong, and did not falsify notes.

She accepted air or milk could have been pushed from the feeding syringe into Child G's throat.

She denied doing so.

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3:53pm

Child G was readmitted to Arrowe Park Hospital on September 8, 2015 with presumed sepsis.

She was very unwell on arrival, with severe hypertension.

A radiograph, Prof Arthurs said, was not a sign of NEC.

The baby girl gradually improved to the point of returning to the Countess of Chester Hospital on September 16.

Dr Evans said Child G was compromised by receiving a large volume of milk and air, and this was not unique to babies.

He proceeded on the basis the stomach of Child G was empty prior to the 2am feed, and a pH reading of 4 was indicative of an empty stomach.

He said babies fed by NGT "do not vomit".

He said Child G suffered significant oxygen deprivation which caused irreversible brain damage.

He concluded Child G must have had more than 45ml of milk.

Challenged on this, he said this was the first case he looked at, and reached his conclusion without looking at any other cases.

Dr Bohin said the vomit was "extraordinary", and said it was impossible to say how big Child G's stomach was, but the excess volume of milk would not be much to compromise the lungs.

She detailed a number of desaturations and events for Child G in June-July 2015.

She concluded that it was "clear" by September 7, Child G was tolerating feeds.

A pH reading of 4 was not consistent with there being a large amount of undigested milk in the stomach - she said if there was, the milk would have neutralised the pH reading [to 7]. She concluded Child G's stomach was empty.

It was put to Dr Bohin that she was modifying her opinion based on the accounts of the nurse and Dr Evans.

She refuted that, and said she based the level of milk on the pH reading, not anything Dr Evans had said.

She concluded Child G must have had a large amount of milk and air administered after the 2am feed.
 
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Another thing I just don't understand from the conspiracy angle is how those at COCH involved in the so-called conspiracy could live with themselves if they successfully pinned it all on her. It's the favourite theory in the FB group I'm in and it baffles me every time since they say it's "typical NHS mentality".

Let's say they were setting up Saint Letby to cover their own failings. Surely not everyone who would have to be involved to pull off the conspiracy could live with themselves if successful? If LL is found guilty, she will surely receive a WLO and be one of the most despised humans in the country's history, her name in ruins and life gone. It requires all of those involved to stay quiet and none of the slip up/crack and for everyone to sing from the same hymn sheet. I know I certainly couldn't commit myself to put that on an innocent person just to escape consequences in my own career/life.

The logic doesn't make sense. So many of them fall over each other clamouring to find reasons to say she's NG, bending the facts of reality to try and make it work. I still think that if LL was a different race, a lesbian (the 'eww omg lol' effect from straight women especially is something to behold, from personal experience lol), or a man, she wouldn't have half as many defenders.
I think some posters might have well encountered NHS cover ups in aspects (it’s happened to myself and to numerous friends with similar surgical injuries). My experience is that medics do tend to cover up for each each other and in that regard I can understand where it might have come from. There have also been issues with systemic hospital failures in this country.

However it would be ludicrous to think that they would form some sort of group pact to implicate one person for multiple, deliberate murders at one site. Targeting an individual, or any member of staff at all, is rather the opposite of what tends to happen.

It’s like scooby-doo levels of improbability, and the individual cases are far too weird, and with too many similar characteristics to be mistakes, or even traditional negligence.
 
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Tell u what else stinks and I don’t know how this hasn’t swayed team NG

These rashes, mottling, random crashes then remarkably recoveries etc have been described by doctors as stuff they’ve never seen before. How is Lucy able to confirm a cause of death if it’s something that’s literally baffled consultants.
Because these doctors are all in the same secret organisation which protects their members and out to get “beautiful angel devoted mother Theresa” witch. (Forgive me I couldn’t help it!)
 
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