Lucy Letby Case #43

[docmum]

Finally all caught up.

@A mega Pint you’re in my thoughts, sending love to you.

I’m having a wobbly week so far this week, I’ve popped out today and managed to come back with some skips, lotus biscoff biscuits with the stuff in the middle, a mini toblerone and a galaxy ripple for dunking. You’re all influencers of the highest order. Currently watching a Christmas film. Fml.

 

[mrs.darcy]

I'm liking how the judge is telling the facts, then giving both prosecution & defences story and asking the jury why there's a discrepancy.
(I mean, there's a discrepancy because someone is trying to cover up a strong of horrendous murders). But I'm really hoping it's coming across to the jury how it appears to be coming across to us.

This, for me, is what will focus the jury's mind. The judge is clearly laying out both the defence and prosecution cases. I was worried that BNE's summing up would be in the back of the mind compared to the defence as they went last, but reading how the judge is going through each baby I'm a lot less worried than I was.

It's bloody horrendous reading it all again. I hope LL rots in jail and then hell for eternity.

 

[gigilouxx]

Finally all caught up.

@A mega Pint you’re in my thoughts, sending love to you.

I’m having a wobbly week so far this week, I’ve popped out today and managed to come back with some skips, lotus biscoff biscuits with the stuff in the middle, a mini toblerone and a galaxy ripple for dunking. You’re all influencers of the highest order. Currently watching a Christmas film. Fml.

Are you my toddler in disguise? He kicked off this morning and spent 10 mins crying on the landing with a biscuit cos it’s not Christmas also eats skips too….

 

[Tofino]

12:30pm

She said the searches for the parents of Child E and Child F more than once on Facebook was part of a normal pattern of behaviour for her, as was taking a picture of the card for the parents.

She said it was something for her to remember, as was a photo of her shift pattern.

she took a photo of her shift pattern? As something for her to remember? Wtf???

 

[DoseofReality]

What a nobbly bobbly LL is.

This is slander. Justice for Nobbly Bobblies.

 

[amsmall]

1:01pm

A new TPN [fluid nutrition] bag was hung at 12.25am on August 5 for Child F.

Yvonne Griffiths said the fridge contains stock bags for Babiven and start-up Babiven, and insulin.

That fridge was kept locked, with one set of keys, initially in the hands of the shift leader but available on request.

There was no system for signing the keys in or out.

Child F was the only baby on that night shift of August 4-5 who was receiving TPN.

No one would be getting my keys.
FML it's bad practice for no signing in and out of keys on shift. I would refuse to work. Who the duck was running this show

 

[mysteriousgirl69]

I really want to believe people wouldn't do this. But you only have to look at the Gosport War Memorial hospital scandal to know that, collectively, people can behave in despicable ways and cover it up, within the NHS.

That's not to say the same thing is happening here/with LL. But it's not impossible either.

Last I heard, the police were interviewing 19 suspect staff members in this case. NINETEEN! The hospital is tiny. This will be the worst NHS scandal of recent times, LL pales in comparison.

TBF I hadn't heard about this (I avoid the news where possible because the 24/7 bombardment of depressing stories is enough to kill someone), so you have now given me something else to read about and keep tabs on!

I'm aware the NHS has a dark side when it comes to cover-ups etc - when I was diagnosed with cerebral palsy after many missteps in my delivery, my files magically went missing with an 'oops, sorry, how sad never mind' when my parents wanted an investigation, which seems to be a common theme when I've spoken to others in the same boat.

I suppose in this case my anger with the conspiracy theorists is that they can't acknowledge that NHS failings would make it much easier for a killer to operate within their ranks. Surely it's much harder for them to pin it all on Lucy Letby than it is just to stick to the usual suppression of information and shrug off all criticism from the unit? After all, if she's found NG, the lens falls sharply back to the hospital, and for the CPS to press charges the police would have had to have found enough evidence against her regardless, which there was no guarantee of if the hospital alone were setting her up.

Apologies for seeming naive with my original post

 

[amsmall]

Finally all caught up.

@A mega Pint you’re in my thoughts, sending love to you.

I’m having a wobbly week so far this week, I’ve popped out today and managed to come back with some skips, lotus biscoff biscuits with the stuff in the middle, a mini toblerone and a galaxy ripple for dunking. You’re all influencers of the highest order. Currently watching a Christmas film. Fml.

I was watching a Christmas movie on Pluto TV this morning

 

[mrs.darcy]

Indeed. I tend to think of what @MmmB777 said regarding bearing witness for the babies.

It's tough but we've got to do it.

That is such a good point and a lovely (if that's the right word) way of putting it.

Edited so it makes sense.

 

[Beigerac]

My personal opinion is that she’s so dismissive of any further discussion into the cause of death is because 1) she already knows what killed them (her)
2) any discussion of what the duck was going on in that unit would no doubt lead to “what if it’s someone on the ward” then the can of worms of evidence against her would be uncovered. She didn’t want that

Like who in the right mind would be so detached about all these sudden random deaths, she makes herself look guilty as sin just by how she refuses to even engage in further conversation about what’s going on in the allegedly failing and understaffed unit

All of her deflections on the causes in her texts are and have always been one of the biggest red flags for me.
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This, for me, is what will focus the jury's mind. The judge is clearly laying out both the defence and prosecution cases. I was worried that BNE's summing up would be in the back of the mind compared to the defence as they went last, but reading how the judge is going through each baby I'm a lot less worried than I was.

It's bloody horrendous reading it all again. I hope LL rots in jail and then hell for eternity.

Totally agree. When I started reading Bowel Movement’s gobshite histrionics last week I had to tap out because I’ve never seen or heard someone argue such utter bollox so convincingly, clearly the man is very good at his job. But we can now see why he went for the theatrics. All the Judge is doing now is explaining the evidence and Bowel knew it was coming so decided to put on his best and shadiest performance as a last throw of the dice. But you can’t argue with the facts.

 

[tennis ball michael]

I don’t mean to be a fool about it (but I am going continue even if that does make me a fool), but I don’t feel the us and them attitude toward people on other platforms is very helpful.

We could see it though as telling us something about the case; Im sure LL thrived on splitting groups and creating divides.

 

[gigilouxx]

All of her deflections on the causes in her texts are and have always been one of the biggest red flags for me.
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Totally agree. When I started reading Bowel Movement’s gobshite histrionics last week I had to tap out because I’ve never seen or heard someone argue such utter bollox so convincingly, clearly the man is very good at his job. But we can now see why he went for the theatrics. All the Judge is doing now is explaining the evidence and Bowel knew it was coming so decided to put on his best and shadiest performance as a last throw of the dice. But you can’t argue with the facts.

Same here, it’s stuck out from day 1 that has x

 

[Nurseali]

No one would be getting my keys.
FML it's bad practice for no signing in and out of keys on shift. I would refuse to work. Who the duck was running this show

Why is it bad practise? For controlled drugs we have two keys but five nurses so we often have to borrow. Interested as this has been common practise on every ward I have worked on.

 

[ravenhood]

it is very telling that she wasn’t worrying and wondering why all these babies were suddenly collapsing, also telling is her giving excuses for the collapses to colleagues via text messages. If she were to be curious and question things, she knew it would lead back to her so she created narratives to throw off her peers and distance herself from the crimes. I think she also purposefully harmed babies and quickly left the room as some data shows for the door swipes as a way to distance herself before coming back at the right time or lurking and waiting (don’t forget, she was a pro and knew what she was looking for). Same with getting others to sign for obs.

 

[AmeliaPevensie]

TBF I hadn't heard about this (I avoid the news where possible because the 24/7 bombardment of depressing stories is enough to kill someone), so you have now given me something else to read about and keep tabs on!

I'm aware the NHS has a dark side when it comes to cover-ups etc - when I was diagnosed with cerebral palsy after many missteps in my delivery, my files magically went missing with an 'oops, sorry, how sad never mind' when my parents wanted an investigation, which seems to be a common theme when I've spoken to others in the same boat.

I suppose in this case my anger with the conspiracy theorists is that they can't acknowledge that NHS failings would make it much easier for a killer to operate within their ranks. Surely it's much harder for them to pin it all on Lucy Letby than it is just to stick to the usual suppression of information and shrug off all criticism from the unit? After all, if she's found NG, the lens falls sharply back to the hospital, and for the CPS to press charges the police would have had to have found enough evidence against her regardless, which there was no guarantee of if the hospital alone were setting her up.

Apologies for seeming naive with my original post

No, not at all. I don't think it's naive to not assume our NHS is routinely mass murdering patients! You're absolutely right about LL and this specific case too.

Sorry to hear about your issues dealing with medical incompetence. I think it's far more common than we realise, and a lot of that has to do with silencing women during labour/their most vulnerable time. I had horrendous deliveries with two of my children, I nearly died in both. But it was brushed under the carpet both times, and I was far too busy raising babies with SEND to understand the long term impact(s) and fight them.
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she took a photo of her shift pattern? As something for her to remember? Wtf???

Sometimes I do wonder if these "WTF" moments we have stem from poor reporting/only having tweets to go by. If she's claiming it was 'to remember' in terms of commemoration, weird as duck. But if what she really said was 'to remember' WHAT her shift pattern was that week it becomes entirely normal IMO.

So much nuance is lost in the reporting it could just as easily be either explanation.

 

[IdeletedbutI'mbackagain]

it is very telling that she wasn’t worrying and wondering why all these babies were suddenly collapsing, also telling is her giving excuses for the collapses to colleagues via text messages. If she were to be curious and question things, she knew it would lead back to her so she created narratives to throw off her peers and distance herself from the crimes. I think she also purposefully harmed babies and quickly left the room as some data shows for the door swipes as a way to distance herself before coming back at the right time or lurking and waiting (don’t forget, she was a pro and knew what she was looking for). Same with getting others to sign for obs.

Exactly, this was always the biggest tell of her guilt for me. Any normal and innocent person would have been beside themselves and even doubting and blaming themselves regardless of them being involved with the babies or not.

 

[gigilouxx]

Tell u what else stinks and I don’t know how this hasn’t swayed team NG

These rashes, mottling, random crashes then remarkably recoveries etc have been described by doctors as stuff they’ve never seen before. How is Lucy able to confirm a cause of death if it’s something that’s literally baffled consultants.

 

[amsmall]

Why is it bad practise? For controlled drugs we have two keys but five nurses so we often have to borrow. Interested as this has been common practise on every ward I have worked on.

Maybe different ward settings, 8 patients 2 nurses, 6 HCA. 1 set had controlled drug, other set normal drug keys.

 

[Nurseali]

Maybe different ward settings, 8 patients 2 nurses, 6 HCA. 1 set had controlled drug, other set normal drug keys.

So if the other nurse needed normal drug keys you signed them out every time ? As you can harm a patient more imo with meds from stock as controlled you need two signatures.

 

[Daisydunn15]

Why is it bad practise? For controlled drugs we have two keys but five nurses so we often have to borrow. Interested as this has been common practise on every ward I have worked on.

Yeah ive worked in various places with shared keys, even different sets of keys or signing them in/out wouldn't reduce the risk if they're stored with other meds, just more chance of keys going missing.
Electronic signing out of meds is obviously better, and was great evidence against Cullen, but it's expensive and when I've worked with an omnicell the fridge was separate anyway so wouldn't solve the insulin issue.