pissedandsad
Well-known member
If I had swallowed a drink this would have make me spew it!
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Takemetoyourbuffet
Well-known member
Yes! It's amazingHas anyone seen that thing on Australian tv, someone sent that pic in of Fred n Rose saying it’s their mum and dads anniversary and the presenters were wishing them all the bestI was crying laughing nearly give myself a hernia
Futtrit
VIP Member
11:22am
Mr Myers says Letby believed she had a good relationship with Child E and Child F's mother.
He says there is an entry in Letby's diary on Child E - the only entry for any child in the indictment in the 2015 diary.
He says there is no entry for Child F.
He says the photograph of the sympathy card for Child E's parents, taken by Letby at the hospital, has no relevance.
Mr Myers says it was a photo taken while she was at work.
Mr Myers says Letby believed she had a good relationship with Child E and Child F's mother.
He says there is an entry in Letby's diary on Child E - the only entry for any child in the indictment in the 2015 diary.
He says there is no entry for Child F.
He says the photograph of the sympathy card for Child E's parents, taken by Letby at the hospital, has no relevance.
Mr Myers says it was a photo taken while she was at work.
amsmall
Chatty Member
I was just going to ask if there was any further reporting as I don't have twitter
craig84
Member
I'm sure that sketch has been used before, same for the other one in the article with the two prison guards that the mail say is her in court todayNew sketch!
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Mail write up
'No direct evidence' against Lucy Letby says her barrister
In his defence closing speech at Manchester Crown Court, Ben Myers KC told the jury of eight women and four men that the 'right verdicts' to return against Letby were not guilty.www.dailymail.co.uk
OldBlondie
VIP Member
See you already spotted this tooOh I completely agree! I know I hate her and see everything as abut yeah.. I thought the exact same. She goes in to look at this baby in the middle of the night on her day off don’t forget. That was another big clanger for me… she said she went in very late maybe because it was quieter at nights and then there was an instant attempt to hide what she’d obviously just given away!
Just got my other half up to speed with the trial as he wasn't following and he says she is totally guilty and he can't comprehend why she's done it from a guys view she's a cuckoo he saidhas any of you lovely tattlers that have ever breastfed experienced a baby with reflux? I think mini Caledonian has reflux. He's really sicky after a feed and even after bringing wind up he's screaming unless he's vertical. Either that or my milk is drying up as that happened with wee Caledonian albeit 7 months in and not at 5wks in
urgh I’m sorry you’re experiencing the hell of reflux, I’m in this same hell too my (baby is now 4 months). Sounds like you have a fab supply (if he’s bringing up lots of milk that suggests he’s getting enough from you 
). A few things could be exacerbating it so best to ensure it’s still not any of these things; tongue tie, shallow latch, fast let down. Sometimes it’s just their floppy valve and the older they get it self-corrects. As you say you have a fast flow, sometimes leaning back or doing koala position can help this, or letting milk flow into a muslin for the first bit before latching him. If latch & position is good then you can get omeprazole and gaviscon from GP but I’ve found they’re a nightmare to get into breastfed baby & cause constipation but your baby might be more receptive than mine! Is there an infant feeding team in your area? They’re so so helpful. If it’s affecting his weight gain, then your GP should refer to paediatrician and dietician. PS There is a rare condition called pyloric stenosis which does affect more boys so if you’re worried about him then best to get him checked over to exclude this also. Sending you solidarity, it’s an absolute nightmare 
). A few things could be exacerbating it so best to ensure it’s still not any of these things; tongue tie, shallow latch, fast let down. Sometimes it’s just their floppy valve and the older they get it self-corrects. As you say you have a fast flow, sometimes leaning back or doing koala position can help this, or letting milk flow into a muslin for the first bit before latching him. If latch & position is good then you can get omeprazole and gaviscon from GP but I’ve found they’re a nightmare to get into breastfed baby & cause constipation but your baby might be more receptive than mine! Is there an infant feeding team in your area? They’re so so helpful. If it’s affecting his weight gain, then your GP should refer to paediatrician and dietician. PS There is a rare condition called pyloric stenosis which does affect more boys so if you’re worried about him then best to get him checked over to exclude this also. Sending you solidarity, it’s an absolute nightmare
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OldBlondie
VIP Member
Yes was that not the morphine bolus given proving sedation?
Futtrit
VIP Member
3:50pm
Mr Myers says Dr John Gibbs noted: 'Poor response to second resuscitation might have been to heart being compromised by previous...collapses'.
He says the evidence was the abdomen became distended in response to the first collapse, as Ashleigh Hudson had noted the 'abdo soft' at 23.57pm.
A radiograph after the collapse showed a distended abdomen.
He says Dr Evans and Dr Bohin 'made a lot' of Child I's crying at the time.
He says the experts had worked this symptom in during the course of their evidence as a sign of air embolus.
He asks whether there was supposed to be an air embolus at 11.57pm, at 1.06am, or both.
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Mr Myers says Dr John Gibbs noted: 'Poor response to second resuscitation might have been to heart being compromised by previous...collapses'.
He says the evidence was the abdomen became distended in response to the first collapse, as Ashleigh Hudson had noted the 'abdo soft' at 23.57pm.
A radiograph after the collapse showed a distended abdomen.
He says Dr Evans and Dr Bohin 'made a lot' of Child I's crying at the time.
He says the experts had worked this symptom in during the course of their evidence as a sign of air embolus.
He asks whether there was supposed to be an air embolus at 11.57pm, at 1.06am, or both.
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Maisiemouse
Active member
Don't get me wrong, I still believe she is guilty. But that is instilling some doubt for me. Have seen lots of kids in traumatic accidents and I still maintain having 218 from trauma is pretty 🫣. I will have to go back and read the timeline thoroughly. I wish we could see all the other blood results.
Blood clot in a baby with a history of lung bleeds and 9 blood transfusions also.
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amsmall
Chatty Member
I don't know what pocketses are. I only know what pocket handkins are
Futtrit
VIP Member
12:39pm
Mr Myers says the theory Letby spiked the various bags with insulin is "contrived and arfiticial", and the mechanics of it are "unrealistic".
He asks how Letby could predict to add insulin to the dextrose bags in storage, which would be used for all babies on the unit, only for Child L.
He says the theory of 'sticky insulin' is "mixed".
He says there is a lot of bag changes over 56 hours.
Prof Hindmarsh was cross-examined about it, if the 'sticky insulin' would run out at some point.
He said it would. He said over time, additional insulin would be required to maintain the levels [of low blood sugar levels].
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12:41pm
Mr Myers says whatever the reason for Letby accumulating paperwork [at home] in the case of Child L, it does not provide sufficient evidence of an intent to harm the baby.
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12:43pm
Mr Myers says Letby subsequently cared for Child L after April 9-11, and it is "utterly inconsistent" with someone wanting to target that child to harm or kill them.
Mr Myers says the theory Letby spiked the various bags with insulin is "contrived and arfiticial", and the mechanics of it are "unrealistic".
He asks how Letby could predict to add insulin to the dextrose bags in storage, which would be used for all babies on the unit, only for Child L.
He says the theory of 'sticky insulin' is "mixed".
He says there is a lot of bag changes over 56 hours.
Prof Hindmarsh was cross-examined about it, if the 'sticky insulin' would run out at some point.
He said it would. He said over time, additional insulin would be required to maintain the levels [of low blood sugar levels].
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12:41pm
Mr Myers says whatever the reason for Letby accumulating paperwork [at home] in the case of Child L, it does not provide sufficient evidence of an intent to harm the baby.
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12:43pm
Mr Myers says Letby subsequently cared for Child L after April 9-11, and it is "utterly inconsistent" with someone wanting to target that child to harm or kill them.
Hopefully we can all sing BNE done the job even Ben Myers lost, his registration to Lucy let beeee
kata420
Chatty Member
has any of you lovely tattlers that have ever breastfed experienced a baby with reflux? I think mini Caledonian has reflux. He's really sicky after a feed and even after bringing wind up he's screaming unless he's vertical. Either that or my milk is drying up as that happened with wee Caledonian albeit 7 months in and not at 5wks in
I am a few weeks ahead of you, but baby K (11 weeks now) had very bad reflux for her first few weeks. She was crying and squirming with pain after each feed and would vomit/projectile vomit at times. I didn’t know what to be doing or if I was doing anythign wrong. It’s quite upsetting when so tired too. Could you get in touch with a lactation consultant? Infacol helped us a little bit (I think) and I would sit up after each feed for about 30 mins (painful when so exhausted). Neither helped much. I got a lovely lactation consultant out who felt I had a fast let down (spraying everywhere and painful at times). She recommended side lying for feeds which kind of helped and advised to pump a little bit before morning feeds when I had a lot of milk. It all helped a little but not enough. I booked a GP appointment but before we went she seemed to just suddenly improve around the 8 week mark. So I never got as far as getting a script for Losec. She still spews occasionally but she is much less distressed now and she’s putting on weight so I think she’s just grown out of it maybe. I think a lactation consultant might be a good way to go. I second the Facebook groups too but some of the women can be quite intense (in the nicest way possible). Do you have La Leche League or any of those groups near to you? Wishing you the best with baby Caledonian. I hope that’s somewhat helpful. 🩷