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I cannot see how the defence have any way of seeing that the jury go into deliberations thinking that she's guilty after BNE's absolutely stellar efforts throughout
 
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Futtrit

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Have you ever had a crow before? One of my old school friends has helped two or three over the years and they still come back and visit him years later!
They're amazing. They remember faces and give presents (obvs not gift wrapped)
 
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mysteriousgirl69

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He says one of the possibilities is the result of a medical condition, and a condition of the unit - the clinical fragility of the unit, and failings in care at the unit.

He says is the other is a nurse who "decided to kill children" or "tried to kill them" for reasons "which make no sense" and "out of the blue".
Well this is the issue with the most depraved killers isn't it, they often do kill out of the blue for reasons which make no sense to the normal person lol

Failing units don't tamper with feed bags by adding insulin, but killer nurses do :^)
 
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I wonder if Christopher Booth appreciates being portrayed as the Lone Ranger riding, plumber like, to the rescue?

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I wonder if he said this before or after her it was pointed out that she waited for him to go on a break before attacking a baby.
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He refers to the 'go commando' message. He says a young woman, being cross-examined, being "humiliated" about something 'completely unrelated to what we were talking about', in front of the public, in front of her mum and dad, was inappropriate.

Ben, mate, this is the least of her worries.
I would say it more humiliating being accused of murder in front of your parents, at this point they would be fucking elated if they found out all you did wrong was send some rude texts. They would be happy if she was riding the good doctor on their shredder it meant she hadn't murdered anyone.
 
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LittleMy

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They wouldn’t cope here with all the piss taking that goes on. They’d run away crying about laugh emojis. 😝

 
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yellowmellow

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He says "you saw the real person" in her evidence and cross-examination, that she could "remember pieces of evidence" in the years she has been waiting for her trial: "There's little else to do in prison, isn't there?"


Errrrrrrr the constant use of "I can't recall" says differently.
 
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sebanna

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11:04am

Mr Myers says "the stand-out point" is "not once is there any evidence" of the acts of harm being done.

He says this is "the first time" the defence case has been set out.

He says the "suspect account" of Dr Ravi Jayaram "doesn't come close" to an account of an attack in progress, nor does the mother of Child E's account.

He says there are 22 counts, and 30 events, over 12 months, and "nothing" in evidence of Letby carrying out an attack.

He says that was despite Dr Jayaram saying it was "all eyes on Letby" after Child D.

Mr Myers adds the jury can use "circumstantial evidence" to highlight sub-optimal care.
What would catching her I act look like though. She is literally just pushing a syringe the wrong way for most of them. With E his mum saw her bent over him with blood on his face and he later had a massive bleed, and Baby K was attacked by her tube being dislodged. Lucy was watching her de satting and did absolutely nothing, how can a 25wk baby who can't breathe for herself self correct.
 
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gigilouxx

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Someone stop this man. Mrs Gill, if you are reading this right now then I beg you cut off your husbands internet access.
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He has been absolutely disgusting and insufferable all day, I can’t believe what I am reading. At least we can safely say that if she gets a whole life order, there’s absolutely zero chance of her ever getting it overturned if he is going to be the one doing her appeal.
he needs kneecapping
 
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tay65

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3:55pm

Mr Myers refers to the phone call at 9.11pm, and the defence say they don't doubt Child E's mother was distressed at that time.

The defence suggest the details from the later phone call were moved to the earlier call, something which is not accepted by either parent.

Mr Myers says Child E's mother spoke to the midwife, Susan Brooks, which was agreed evidence.

The midwife notes: 'Care since 2000hrs...[Child E's mother] asked me to let her know of any contact overnight from NNU as one of the twins- had deteriorated slightly...'

Mr Myers says this is the best, and maybe only, independent guide, for the event, and if the situation was more serious, it would have been noted as such.
It must be horrendous for E's parents listening to him trying to change the phone call events of that night when it must be imprinted in their minds. He cannot dispute the 9.11 pm call so he's saying the content of the discussion took place later. They must feel very angry.
 
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stardust1

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'Poor management of stomas' for Child J

considering the parents were clearly signed off for stoma training (2 days that takes) how the hell can poor management of stomas equate to what happened to baby J😑
 
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Deeznutslol

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Does nobody challenge him? He's a big ugly gobshite!!
Initially everyone seemed a bit in awe of him as he introduced himself as the statistician who got Lucia de Berk off, but now it’s become so obvious he’s just a nutter with an agenda and he’s ruined his reputation, people are a lot more dismissive of him.
Especially when he comes out with shit like this, it’s just appalling.
 
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MmmB777

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Exactly!
The unit would have been full and stretched at other times when Lucifer wasn't on shift and when she was on holiday and guess what? No unexpected deaths occurred.
BM is clutching at straws.
They were likely stretched because somebody was making babies that were in room 4 and ready to go home, so ill they went back to room 1. It’s just stupid. Think how much longer babies were there because of her actions. She had time to text and laugh at people being rushed off their feet. That was for baby Q when she’d just watched two healthy babies die but she was finding it hilarious that people were racing around. I’d have struggled to see the humour in anything that day let alone that in particular. She’s revealed her true self many many times.
 
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stardust1

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2:48pm

He says they do show someone who hangs on to paper "compulsively".

He refers to the shredder, and what Letby didn't shred.

He says if Letby had thought there would be a police investigation - as written on one of her notes - she would have shredded the handover notes.

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2:51pm

Mr Myers refers to the subject of 'experts'.

He says the prosecution medical evidence is 'central' to their case.

He says it is crucial to show the jury that there is no medical cause for the collapses of babies, and that substandard medical performance is ruled out, and that the alleged harmful acts took place.
So if it is so easily explained medically where the fuck are bens experts🤣
 
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