Lucy Letby Case #4

[SwizzleMalarkey]

I have to disagree with this. I don't think it comes across as his opinion. He's asking propr questions and has probably had experts help him with his preparing

So who DID it come into contact with?

That really throws a spanner in the works doesn’t it? Because if she didn’t come into contact with it then she can’t have tampered with it. And if it was tampered with; then surely that puts someone else in the frame. OR it wasn’t tampered with and this death along with others were down to accident/negligence.

 

[Emmelina Ball]

As soon as I read it it reminded me of the rambling writings of someone I knew with bipolar when he would be on a high. I wouldn't exactly call it a confession tbh.

I agree tbh. I don’t think it’s a confession it’s like word vomit when you don’t have anyone to talk to but need to talk to someone it’s like all her feelings and fears thrown out onto a post it! I feel this is unpopular but I don’t think she’s guilty with what we have seen so far (may change my mind back n forth as the case goes on).

Okay. I'll rephrase. It shouldn't be on here surely?

What shouldn’t be on here?

 

[Felix08]

At 11.30am his oxygen levels dropped again - he was given adrenaline. A punctured lung was identified in an X-ray at 11.57am.

A transport team arrived to take him to Arrowe Park at 3pm.

When a doctor expressed hope about his prospects, Mr Johnson says Letby replied, according the prosecutors: "He's not leaving here alive, is he?"

That remark "surprised the doctor", but "Letby's prediction came true - after all she knew what she had done and she knew what was likely to happen", Mr Johnson tells the court.

what have I just read

Nurses make claims like that often because we see a patient from the beginning of the shift to the end and sometimes we can predict someone is going to die even when the Dr cant see it. However we never have 8 patients just die in a row. So everything she says or Does could be all explained if it was just 1 death but not when there are so many!

 

[Deeznutslol]

I reckon her defence will say she was fucked in the head by all of the accusations, she didn’t kill them but was gaslit into thinking she was at fault and was evil etc and that’s why she wrote the notes.

 

[xxMPxx]

Usually a lurker but seeing some people question if she is an only child. I am an only child and wondering if there is a stereotype that I've been blissfully aware of my whole life?!

 

[I’mThankyou_]

At this point, given Ben's history in court, I'd be looking for a refund like.

 

[friedeggontoast]

If she is innocent then she’s the unluckiest woman in the country. Im just not sure she is.

 

[Wellthisisinteresting]

I keep thinking about Casey Anthony - the defence did such a good job in creating doubt and she literally got away with murder and to this day no has EVER been convicted of little Cayley murder

 

[taleoftittletat]

I don’t know if it will come up in the trial but I’d really like to know the family circumstances of these babies.
I know there was some talk of them being from traveller families. I find that hard to believe due to the number of children over a short period but NICU units have a lot of babies where the mother was addicted to drugs or alcohol.
They haven’t mentioned any of these babies being premature due to drugs or alcohol but that may be something that comes up in evidence rather than the opening statement.
if several of these babies were born in those circumstances is the motive some sort of twisted way of “saving” them from that life or that the mother “doesn’t deserve them”

I had this discussion the other day. However it does state that many of these mothers were providing expressed breast milk.

This will come off judgemental but I mean no malice, just rationalising - but I wouldn’t imagine that a person who was addicted to drugs or alcohol and the cause of this was their babies prematurity would be expressing the milk, nor would I imagine the milk to be accepted in terms of contamination?

 

[Emmelina Ball]

Sorry if this is already shared this thread moves fast!

 

[Squittel]

I've said from the start I feel she is innocent. If that's unpopular that's fine.

I think it’s good we have people with differing opinions here, it keeps it balanced. I’m on the fence again.

 

[I’mThankyou_]

It’s been said a lot on this thread to those leaning guilty “hope you’re never on a jury” blah blah
Just saying that if anyone accused of my murder is found to have a note saying I did it I’m evil I killed her on purpose… I really hope everybody explaining it away aren’t on the jury right back at you guys

People are allowed opinions. The trial has just begun.

 

[showerbelle]

If I was on the jury I'd want to go home now and not waste 6 months of my life listening to people try and defend this sick woman.

Perhaps they believe in the importance of the justice system? Just a thought. Also the defence isn't defending her as much as ensuring a fair trial is upheld- very important. I have my own thoughts but the fact that this is due to go on for 6 months suggests it isn't as clear cut as it seems perhaps.

 

[xxMPxx]

My sisters partner is an only child and was massively pressured to be the best at everything. He said his cousin, who is 1 of 4, had it different. So I think SOMETIMES only children are pressured more than people who aren't.

I don't want to derail the thread too much but a lot of people seem interested on the psychology behind her family life so I'll bite. SOME only children (myself being in this bracket) are often faced with extraordinary pressure to be perfect, as we can often be our parents 'entire world' and as such, have to be perfect citizens at all times. This then leads to extreme self loathing and anxiety when things go wrong and you feel like a parent will be upset with you. Often we seek parental approval into and throughout adulthood which my partner who is one of three siblings cannot get his head around. I still run things past one of my parents and seek their approval even though I'm 31 lol. However an only child does not a murderer make and I am not insinuating that for one second, however it can contribute hugely to mental 'anguish' in SOME only children. I am hugely interested in this part of Lucy's life and I hope more information about it comes out in due course.

 

[e.l.lofthouse]

Those notes can be taken in many different contexts.

1. She's guilty and a murderer
2. She feels guilty that she couldn't save the babies
3. She knew who was doing it and did nothing, so feels guilty.

The defence could and will argue ANYTHING. I know which I think is right, I just darent say it on here.

BUT I don't think the 'I'll never marry or have kids or my own family' automatically means she was infertile. I dont know hiw anyone can just assume that. Maybe she meant that she's in her 30s and she feels it's late (it certainly isnt) or maybe she means that the investigation and accusations will deprive her of that. I don't know but ... it doesn't automatically mean infertile.

 

[veevee04]

I'm not sure about the notes but I do know when people are experiencing a deterioration in mental health they can write , ruminate on what others have said about them. LL seems to have a very obsessive and ruminating personality anyway without stress.

 

[White]

Has she said she’s guilty or innocent? (Sorry can’t find online)

She's pleaded Not Guilty, if she'd pleaded Guilty, we wouldn't be hearing all this evidence and it wouldn't get dragged out for 6 months, just go to sentencing.

 

[Prissypaws]

Re: all the paperwork at home - I mean, if you were worried about being investigated at work for (at best) gross misconduct/incompetence wouldn’t you make sure you were squeaky clean and have a clean up, make sure you safely shredded and disposed of anything you shouldn’t have. Why was she keeping it all
Was she scribbling on paper and post it’s so it wouldn’t leave a digital trial? It’s all so weird

 

[I’mThankyou_]

I feel the defence may go for a burnout over worked role. Short staffing meant she felt she had to pick up the slack for the sake of some colleagues who had responsibilities outside of work and burnout caused her to make irreversible mistakes, and affected her clinical judgment and messed with her state of mind.
Obviously my opinion before I'm jumped on.
When court resumes we will be able to gather a picture of how they will fight back.

 

[Lavender425]

I suppose everybody is different and every family/nurse relationship is different and maybe I'm being so strong on opinion through bias of why it's being discussed in the first place but taking pictures of someone elses dead babies just doesn't sit right with me if the parents wanted a photo I'm sure they would have taken one themselves. On the other hand, maybe they did ask we just don't know the full story

As a midwife (and I imagine neonatal nurses are the same), we are given bereavement training and a large part of the training involves memory making, including photography. We are given hints and tips on capturing sensitive but special images for parents, obviously with their full consent. I think that the photograph was taken in this context.