Lucy Letby Case #4

[stephobz]

I can’t quote the original post as it’s on the other thread but someone was saying how maybe she looked the families up a year on because they may have visited the ward or something. I think this is important because we don’t really have any context to the searches (not saying there necessarily will be any but it will be interesting to see how the defence explain these and if they can justify them in some way. Whilst still acknowledging it to be unprofessional of course).

 

[carriebooboo]

There's a thread about the case in the medicine subreddit on Reddit. One of the mods is a neonatal nurse and she doesn't see anything conclusive in the medical info so far:

 

[tikytok]

Why wait 6 months send her to jail now, forever.

 

[stephobz]

The defence will know about these notes so will be interesting to see how the explain these. Will they argue she was referring to something else? Try to claim they were planted? I’m on the fence and trying hard to keep an open mind throughout but this is pretty damming

 

[Hyacinthsquash]

If I was one of the parents I’m not sure I could sit quietly and listen to all this. My blood is boiling. Other prisoners don’t take lightly to baby murderers so imagine it will be solitary confinement for the rest of her life (if proven guilty).

 

[corriefan175]

I’ve had to register just to write down my thoughts on this case. When she was first arrested and in the news, I admit my mind went straight to ‘no smoke without fire’. Reading these threads made me want to try and think diplomatically about it and wait for the defence. I’m actually quite surprised-and glad-that this thread seems to be mostly full of open minded folk who are still throwing doubts into my mind. However, I cannot see how so many coincidences remain just that- coincidences. How many coincidences have to happen before it’s considered proof? Do we need to verify every murder by cctv or numerous witnesses? Why are people still trying to give reasons why she’d do this? Maybe she’s just a sadistic, evil person who’s used her position to ultimately do what she wanted? The trial is about her, not the hospital- yes massive failings there but there’s still the possibility that a murderer worked there. How does an incompetent hospital mean that only when LL is in the room alone with babies, they die or collapse? Never mind the post it notes?! Even if she’s done it and mentally unwell, she has killed babies- she is guilty. It doesn’t matter the reason why or her state of mind. So many questions, and I’m really trying to be as open minded as you lot but it’s a big struggle!

 

[Ridandroo]

The main question I keep coming back to is…
According to the prosecution, they are using the fact that whilst she was on holiday for a week in June 2016 there was no deaths. But looking at this timeline of alleged murders/ attempts there is nothing in December 2015, January 2016, March 2016 and May 2016. So where was Lucy Letby during this time and what was she doing? They have used one week when she was away as the reason for no deaths. Yet here are 16 weeks here where she surely would be there with nothing suspicious happening at all?

 

[pommobear]

People who are trying to explain her actions don’t necessarily believe she is innocent and are actually showing that they can think logically and rationally by looking at all other possibilities. Narrow-mindedness doesn’t help anybody, and it especially won’t help the jury. Would you want to be responsible for sending an innocent person to prison for the rest of their life? Or worse, allowing a guilty one to walk free?

Yes, exactly. I don't think anyone is trying to "explain away" the note. I'm certainly not. I'm simply saying that it doesn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she is guilty.

 

[Queenbee22]

I have to comment on the ‘I’ll never have babies, get married’ note.

this is the main route of my depression currently and I note it in my journal a lot, I can relate to a 30 something year old woman having this panic. But to have it alongside those other notes, it smacks of guilt to me. Ihave a strong feeling she is guilty and if she is, I hope she’s rots. Those poor families

 

[Lucyxxxx]

I agree tbh. I don’t think it’s a confession it’s like word vomit when you don’t have anyone to talk to but need to talk to someone it’s like all her feelings and fears thrown out onto a post it! I feel this is unpopular but I don’t think she’s guilty with what we have seen so far (may change my mind back n forth as the case goes on).


What shouldn’t be on here?

I've said from the start I feel she is innocent. If that's unpopular that's fine.

 

[stardust1]

‘never know what it’s like to have a family’
‘I dont deserve mum and dad’
‘Slander discrimination’
‘I haven’t done anything wrong’
‘All getting too much’

All jump out to me but I am just not sure about saying ‘i did it on purpose’ if your innocent

 

[I’mThankyou_]

"It is a theory built 'firmly' on coincidence."

This is a fucking ballsy and bold statement to make after what the prosecution ended with.

 

[MrsDimSum]

The note also makes me think it may have been things that have been said to her since it became more and more public?

like erratic scribblings of someone at their lowest

 

[candyland_]

The experts would have analysed that note 100s of times. They will know exactly what is says.

 

[MmmB777]

Utterly shocking to see the suggestion that the expert witnesses have been influenced. Disgraceful accusation a very close family member works as an independent expert witness and it is awfully hard work to defend your findings and opinion which is part of the job. To say the defence finds their work to be incorrect is one thing but to say they are influenced or have been persuaded to think a certain way is disgusting.

 

[Tofino]

I think Lucy’s response to this letter in police interviews will be really important. If she says she can’t remember writing it like she said about the Facebook searches then I would not find her very credible.

I agree it’s not a confession and it’s clearly someone distressed, desperate and panicked, but that can also be explained with panic about being caught.

I am seeing more guilt in this note than innocence and that’s because I am struggling to get past someone innocent writing “I killed them on purpose because I’m not good enough to care for them and I am a horrible evil person. I am evil. I did this.” No matter how distressed you were at thinking you were being wrongly accused, I just can’t see a reasonable explanation for someone innocent writing this.

The legal standard for finding some guilty is beyond reasonable doubt. It’s not no doubt at all.
I know PP are exploring alternative reasons to why she may have wrote this but it’s not passing the reasonableness test to me. It’s reasonable to think a guilty person would write they have done nothing wrong. It’s not reasonable (to me) for an innocent person to write they killed someone on purpose.

As I’ve said in previous posts I am prepared to change my view if I hear enough evidence and I think hearing Lucy’s explanation for this is what would sway it if at all. But that’s my interpretation of the note.

 

[Squittel]

I’ve kept quiet in these threads for a couple of days because to be quite honest the whole thing was turning my stomach. Have now read up on yesterdays notes and this mornings. I’m finding it harder and harder to believe this is all coincidental or that she was scapegoated.

Will the defence be doing opening statements in the same way the prosecution is? I’m really interested to see the other perspective now.

 

[I’mThankyou_]

Lucy Letby trial recap: Prosecution finishes outlining case, defence gives statement

THE prosecution in the trial of Lucy Letby, accused of murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to…

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Prosecution are finishing their opening statement today & the defence will begin theirs

Lucy Letby Case Wiki

This wiki is about the trial of Nurse Lucy Letby who was charged with the murder and attempted murder of 17 babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital, between June 2015 and June 2016. There are 22 charges in total, 7 murder and 15 attempted murder. Lucy pleaded not guilty to all charges and...

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A current link to the Wiki thanks to @Tofino for anyone to catch up on previous days

Various charities & pages offering support for anyone affected by the trial.

 

[Dexy]

The fact that an internal investigation was happening in the hospital to begin with all points to something being very obviously wrong.
As you said NICU doesn't mean a death sentence, the investigation was started because the death rates jumped significantly out of the blue. Someone was killing these babies weither people can bare to accept that or not.
The statistics of the mortality rate were comparable, prior to January 2015, but there was "a significant rise" in the number of babies dying or having "catastrophic collapses".

It’s these three points that I keep going back to that make me feel she is involved…
* The jump in deaths
* Unexplained collapses in babies that up until then had been doing well
* They were proving unusually hard to resuscitate

Pattern of LL on the scene for all…

It just seems too many coincidences to be bad luck.

 

[Hot_Dogs_Or_Toes]

Oh absolutely! I bet parts of his brain are screaming at him why on earth did he ever take the case.

It's called the cab rank rule. Criminal barristers aren't free to pick and choose as they like, if they're qualified and available then they have to take the case.