Lucy Letby Case #4

[stephobz]

I find that note really sad to look at tbh. I’m not saying I think she’s innocent, I’m still undecided on this. But all the ‘I don’t deserve to live’ and the feeling of hate she seems to have for herself is just sad. It’s hard to articulate because if she has committed these crimes I don’t want to feel any sort of empathy for her, but just seeing that note has made me feel… I don’t really know the word. Not how I expected though. This is all scrambling my brain a bit. It’s not black and white and I think there will be a lot of twists and turns over the next few months. Thinking of the families always though as it’s easy to get swept up in this and forget it’s so very real for these people.

 

[Lucyxxxx]

Jesus how can this be public more to the point who the hell made it public . It’s creepy she sounds absolutely manic

As soon as I read it it reminded me of the rambling writings of someone I knew with bipolar when he would be on a high. I wouldn't exactly call it a confession tbh.

 

[nothinonyou]

Some killers like to relive their crimes through a trial also.

Seems the defence so far is just “nah, never happened”

true i always think of a man who was on trial in england for raping a minor and he was masturbating during the evidence, just more ways to get off on it

 

[friedeggontoast]

The note says “I killed them on purpose because I’m not good enough“
I don’t know how anyone could explain that in any other way than she’s guilty

 

[Treesy19]

Would an innocent person write down on a post it note “I killed them on purpose”. No

 

[Orangesocks182]

When I first heard about the note in the reporting from the prosecution I actually thought well, that is definitely a confession. But actually, on reflection and from reading the full note, it has swayed me to think she’s possibly innocent.. It has really reminded me of when I’ve been in a dark place and wrote in my journal horrible and severe self-loathing ramblings, and so in a way I could relate to some of the parts she wrote. And although not really relevant but I’m doing my training currently in mental health nursing and on one of my placements I walked in on a patient trying to suffocate herself with a bag. It was extremely traumatic and at the time I was so shocked to walk in to her room and see her like that, that I froze for a few seconds before I called the alarm for help. Anyway, straight after that my mind went in to overdrive and I started thinking of myself as an evil and terrible person for freezing and not acting right away, and thinking things like “if she dies does that mean I killed her because I’m not good enough at being a nurse and I could have done more?” - luckily the patient was fine anyway I’m rambling but my point is, I’m trying to think if I was a nurse accused of these heinous crimes then there’s a possibility I too would be writing ramblings similar to that. I don’t know, but I know I just want her to be innocent because my mind can’t comprehend anyone, let alone a nurse, doing these terrible things to those poor defenceless babies . I think also cause I’m a local from Hereford that it makes me feel sick that a potential killer was just down the road, and someone who some of my friends knew . Herefordshire already has Fred West from here we don’t need even more of a bad name lol.

Anyway I’m going to dip in and out of these threads because I’ve been thinking about this case wayyyy too much and need to protect my MH. Really enjoying everyone’s balanced and respectful views tho - so much nicer than the fb groups and constantly thinking of those poor families being put through this.

 

[goyellow667]

Just a thought.. (absolutely not defending her but trying remain open minded) in regards to the written notes, she could have been writing these things down whilst on the phone discussing the alleged events with family or a therapist for example. I do this, scribble down key words and look back and try to make sense of my own words and half sentences.

Apologies if I'm not articulating what I mean properly. English is not my first language

 

[Lackofimagination]

I know it’s supposed to be a fair trial and innocent until proven guilty and all that but god I wish she had a shit lawyer.

 

[Ittybittytittyclub]

May help some people decipher what Is written

 

[pommobear]

That note doesn't say "guilty" to me. Clearly shows she was very disturbed in her mind but that doesn't equate to guilty.

 

[CELESTE CROCKETT]

I just keep imagining her parents sitting there, what must be going through their heads?? Watching this all unfold

I watched the Dahmer on Netflix
The actor playing his dad was outstanding
He stood by his son but his anger, bewilderment, sadness, horror and also love were portrayed so well

 

[SwizzleMalarkey]

I must admit when they reported what the note said I thought, that’s it, she has to be guilty. But actually looking at it, it’s not that straightforward. It doesn’t read as a confession, it’s more of a stream of consciousness and could be interpreted lots of different ways.

 

[Deeznutslol]

you’re on a mission to prove her innocence

How does discussing the different potential meanings behind the notes mean that someone is on a mission to prove her innocence?
I think the ‘I’m not good enough’ part was quite a weird thing to write and doesn’t really add up with the rest of what she wrote in those notes.

 

[Shimmering]

I've been listening to a podcast on BBC sounds about the Rikki Neave case where his mother was put on trial for his murder and found not guilty. She was in fact innocent of the murder but she treated her children appallingly.

The podcast mentions the case the prosecution built against the mother. The main reason she was found not guilty was how the jury viewed testimony from a police officer who searched the woods where Rikki's body was found. His testimony blew the prosecution case apart as it meant she couldn't have done what they said she had.

If it hadn't been for him and his chance search through the woods that evening I've no doubt she would have been found guilty. They built a huge case against her partly based on books and magazines found in her home, arguing she murdered him for occult reasons, and the fact she was a dreadful, abusive mother.

So what I'm saying in a very drawn out way is, it's the prosecution's job to build a case and of course it's going to be convincing otherwise they wouldn't have got this far. It doesn't mean she's guilty. I'm not saying she's innocent, but just that we need to take what they say with a pinch of salt.

I hope justice is served.

 

[stardust1]

So they say she had no family commitments so was often called in to help out with extremely unwell babies so it makes sense that Lucy always happened to be there

 

[Nite Lite]

The photo comment was mentioned directly after it was said she spent time with the parents following their babies’ deaths. My understanding was she took the photo of the babies in the cot for them but could have misinterpreted. I think if they had found the photo on her phone they would have specified that though, but it’s not very clear either way

Speaking from experience it’s quite common for parents to have photos taken of a still born baby , I imagine because they were siblings this was the case on the unit also due to an unexpected death and the parents wanting a picture of them together. I imagine these were taken for the parents and the prosecution are making the point that even though she was allegedly responsible for the death she still acted as if she was sympathetic to the family in some unpalatable way. If they were in her own phone then OMG

 

[dustyrhodes]

Ben Myers is a slow burner, boys doing good at the moment. So this is exactly where right thinking people should be. Heads pickled. Weighing up, sussing out, thinking logically and jumping from guilty, maybe not, what parts other professionals did or didn't play in the possible neglect in their duty of care and treatment of these babies.

 

[MrsJones83]

I’m just wondering if they are . They have been going to trial so I assume they are . I don’t think I could go and stand by her after this I mean maybe they want to see the whole trial but I’d feel physically sick knowing my child did that

But she’s still their child? What do they do, just throw her under the bus?

I think you can still show up for your child without approving of what they’ve “supposedly“ done.

 

[candyland_]

I don’t see that note as a confession - She’s in despair.
I’m torn because if those deaths hadn’t been so close together then she wouldn’t have been suspected.

 

[dustyrhodes]

If her team have proof she had/voiced/brought her concerns to management about any aspect of care on that ward, then this case will turn on a sixpence