She won't have been very experienced. I think she qualified in 2012. I bet she's one of those nob ends who thinks they are Billy big bollocks as soon as they've done the QIS course. I've been nursing 14 years and met a few nurses like her who are over confident and think they are more experienced than they actually are. They usually slip up at some point.
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Cack_Conroe
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Did anyone else pick up on this?
"Letby admits she also lacked experience dealing with the chest drains Child H required. She says she had to get assistance from a colleague.
She is then asked about the help her colleague gave her.
"I can't remember every detail and I think it would be unrealistic if I could remember every detail," she tells the court."
In statement analysis terms, this looks quite guilty. She hasn't said "It's not realistic to expect me to remember every detail" which is what an innocent person who feels that would say. Even "I think it would be unrealistic to expect me to remember every detail" would sound better.
The "would be" and "if I could" separate herself from actually "owning" the statement, and make it sound like she's thinking not remembering every detail is a good tactic to try to appear innocent.
"Letby admits she also lacked experience dealing with the chest drains Child H required. She says she had to get assistance from a colleague.
She is then asked about the help her colleague gave her.
"I can't remember every detail and I think it would be unrealistic if I could remember every detail," she tells the court."
In statement analysis terms, this looks quite guilty. She hasn't said "It's not realistic to expect me to remember every detail" which is what an innocent person who feels that would say. Even "I think it would be unrealistic to expect me to remember every detail" would sound better.
The "would be" and "if I could" separate herself from actually "owning" the statement, and make it sound like she's thinking not remembering every detail is a good tactic to try to appear innocent.
Futtrit
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I disagree. It's the correction THEN silence. If you're telling the truth you don't need to worry about using the 'wrong' word.
Heidi_Sue
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LL stating that 'that's my error' for bad timings or 'someone else has mis-documented' or ' I just didn't write it in' repeatedly and justifying this as we're are only human. Yes, mistakes happen and all of the above are feasible BUT if I was working on a ward like this where there were babies dying left right and centre my notes would be the best sodding notes you've ever seen. I'm certain that during all this probably after it started to seem out of the ordinary no other nurse or doctor on that ward made a mistake with their documentation, more likely it was above and beyond perfect. You would all massively be covering your arses wouldn't you if the culprit wasn't obvious early on, or even when you thought there might be someone. Everyone would have been so super vigilant and paranoid about errors like that.
IdeletedbutI'mbackagain
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That is 100% the kind of shit I expected she was up in between kills.
LittleMy
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Absolutely agree. There’s always that one staff member who thinks they’re above everyone else and I’m sure the others probably had a right good bitch about her at times.
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Mine was “do you dispute being born?”
I’m glad someone else from that FB group took a trip to court to see for themselves instead of relying on one person to feed back their own views. I know we’ve had people on here go & feedback with views that are the same as mine but I’m trying to myself in the shoes of someone who has thought she was genuinely innocent/thinking the evidence wasn’t strong enough. I can understand them being easily swayed by a person who is going to court every day but then reading the reporting and thinking “hmm I don’t know if I agree” as whether you still think she is innocent/on the fence, you can’t deny that she has lied, multiple times on the stand so whether you explain that away, that’s on you but you can’t sit there and say it’s not happened when it has.
She’s also gone against agreed facts - that’s huge in the legal process. I imagine BM is actually cursing her for this, it undermines everything he has already presented. This is something those that believe NG need to understand. As Slingo noted, she hasn’t offered reasonable explanations as to why she is now changing her evidence, including evidence she gave days prior to her own lawyer. This isn’t something that can be ignored/disregarded purely based on PTSD. You carry on believing NG if you want to, but at least acknowledge the facts - she’s lied. Repeatedly.
She’s also gone against agreed facts - that’s huge in the legal process. I imagine BM is actually cursing her for this, it undermines everything he has already presented. This is something those that believe NG need to understand. As Slingo noted, she hasn’t offered reasonable explanations as to why she is now changing her evidence, including evidence she gave days prior to her own lawyer. This isn’t something that can be ignored/disregarded purely based on PTSD. You carry on believing NG if you want to, but at least acknowledge the facts - she’s lied. Repeatedly.
nosycowmoo
Well-known member
I spoke to someone who went on Thursday… they sent me this ‘
She basically admitted on stand she had harmed that baby and was looking “for”
Johnson was on it. He pressed … she refused to answer … like a sulky kid!!!! She started saying she was confused wi dates … johnson again pressed “I’m not asking u about dates” judge called the end of the day. What a way to end jury will be left with this thought all weekend
She basically admitted on stand she had harmed that baby and was looking “for”
Johnson was on it. He pressed … she refused to answer … like a sulky kid!!!! She started saying she was confused wi dates … johnson again pressed “I’m not asking u about dates” judge called the end of the day. What a way to end jury will be left with this thought all weekend
She said she had more experience (than Ashleigh)
"so knew what I was looking for" which is why she noticed baby I was pale and not right.
Why was she looking for something if the event was unexpected? She wasn’t designated nurse for I,
or doing observations. Actually I don’t even know why she was in the doorway in the first place. (her reason)
nosycowmoo
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Reading todays feels like yesterday he was building up and setting the scene for some major blows today, if tactical -it’s genius. They’ll have all weekend to reflect on what appears to be indisputable evidence (though of course she’s trying) I really feel cross examination is proving enough circumstantial for it to be beyond reasonable doubt.
F1Grid
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Just caught up on the afternoon, been a bit mental...
There is absolutely no way that a senior doctor wouldn't have included that the baby had been crash called for and stabilised an hour before in this situation. No way in hell.
The immediate correction and clarification 'I don't mean it like that'... stick a fork in her, she's done.
gimmethattea
Chatty Member
Poor baby I's mom. Imagine getting that call while on the school run, trying to keep a sense of normality for your other children.Mail plus article here, archived to get behind paywall
Letby 'attacked nine babies while parents were away from bedsides' - …
archived 25 May 2023 16:46:28 UTCarchive.ph
actually admits two of Baby H’s events happened just after parent left:
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Baby I’s mum had actually gone on a school run:
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seeing it like this hits home how often it happened shortly after parents (not just when they weren’t there)
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Being a NICU parent is incredibly hard, but having other children at home is another layer on top of it.
I have 2 older ones and the insane guilt you feel no matter where you are is incredible. You want to be there for your baby, but also trying to be there for your older kids to make sure they are ok too is so tough. My 6 year old still sometimes cries remembering that her little brother was poorly in hospital and has anxiety whenever her brother or sister are now ill.
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I'm really posty today, so apologies if it's too much in one go, but I was just thinking.
What is often forgotten is that even if your baby is born prematurely or born at term and poorly and requires a stay in NICU, Dad will still only be entitled to the 2 weeks leave and Mom will unlikely get any extra leave, because maternity pay starts the moment baby is born. There is currently work being done with the Neonatal Care Bill to allow up to 12 weeks.
So if these babies are requiring care for longer than those 2 weeks, Dad's will then be back at work. Or, they may be working during their babies stay and take their paternity when they are home.
Which means, at many time, these moms will be there on their own. They may have other family visit and they may be having to sort out their older children too.
I can guarantee she knew a lot of these families schedules and routines if they were there for extended periods of time.
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TheWitchIsBack
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When you begin to hear the level of detail we heard yesterday and the day before it really becomes quite frightening that she wasn’t suspended to investigate the deaths. The last few days have really painted a grim picture of the unit and her relationships so she’s not been as well thought of as it’s originally been made out so I just can’t wrap my head around not taking the consultants concerns seriously enough to even warrant digging a bit deeper.
bluefootedbooby
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That's a massive trip up for that evil cow to end on!
Knew what to look for - in darkness? Because you did it!!
Knew what to look for - in darkness? Because you did it!!